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WinCustomize: What happens next

WinCustomize: What happens next

The plan for WinCustomize's future

Overall Philosophy

WinCustomize.com is a website whose goals are to promote a skinning community as well as help support content being created and shared that is for use with Stardock's software. Over the years, WinCustomize.com's popularity has grown immensely.  By October of 2005, it had reached a staggering 25 million monthly visitors.  Because the site focuses largely on the downloading of skins, themes, icons, and wallpapers, the bandwidth expenses for the site are enormous.  In addition, as the site has tried to sustain a feeling of community as opposed to being merely a glorified FTP site, the expense in running the site has grown due to the need to bring in and coordinate increasing numbers of file, SQL, and scripting servers. 

In its present state, Stardock pays for the cost of WinCustomize that isn't covered by advertising revenue and WinCustomize subscriptions.  WinCustomize is a very valuable asset of Stardock and the community that it supports means a lot to the the people who work at Stardock.  Stardock is a privately held company so its motivations are not necessarily driven by maximizing profit (in other words, making money isn't the only goal).

However, while WinCustomize's importance to Stardock is immense, it is not infinite.  Simply put, the cost of running WinCustomize has outstripped Stardock's ability to sustain it.  Of the 25 million visitors each month, over 3 million of them are "unique" (i.e. different people).  Obviously, most of those users aren't Stardock customers in any form.  To make WinCustomize viable, the model under which is operates needs to evolve.  It is clear that a subscription drive isn't going to be enough.  The October subscription drive managed to bring in less than 1,000 people -- many of whom were existing subscribers who re-subscribed.  In essence, of a website that gets over 3 million different people visiting, it would seem that our "hard core" community of users is probably less (guessing) than a few thousand.  In other words, the "community" of users is still relatively small which isn't necessarily all bad.

Over the coming months, users will see a gradual evolution of the site designed to increase revenue coming into the site.  Most of the effort will come from increasing advertising revenue. The rest will come from encouraging subscriptions and providing financial rewards to skin authors.

Users who have Object Desktop will become distinct from users who have simply purchased a product.  Object Desktop users will not have full WinCustomize subscription status but they will have unlimited downloads.  Those who have purchased a given product (such as WindowBlinds or IconPackager) will have unlimited downloads in their corresponding product but not in other areas.  The biggest change an Object Desktop user will see is that some skins will be marked as subscriber-only for the first 30 days and those skins will be part of the normal gallery.  Otherwise, things will be essentially the same.

The biggest changes for users who haven't purchased is that the site will have a lot more advertising on it and there will be a much greater push for users to create an account.

User Classes

Classes of users:

0: People who do not have accounts.

1: People who have created an account but have no subscription and have not purchased a product. Accounts are free to create.

2: People who have purchased a product or subscription in the past but are currently not active customers

3: People who are active customers (purchased a product in the past year).

4: People who have an active Object Desktop account.

5: People who have a WinCustomize Platinum Subscription.

Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4.  Users with Journeyman access on up will have the equivalent of group 5. Users with Contributor access will have the equivalent of Group 2.

Access Privileges:

Group 0 users will not be able to download skins and themes that are 0 days old.  They will only be able to download 10 megabytes of other skins & themes.  The number of ads they see will be akin to what people see on other sites -- in other words quite a bit.  They will be designed to bypass the various ad-blocking programs (Stardock, after all, is a software developer, we can get around this stuff if we put effort into it).

Group 1 users will be able to download up to 50 megabytes of skins and themes without having to purchase something or contribute something. They will see a lot of ads but not quite as much as group 0. Still quite a bit more than they see today.  The number of ads these users see will grow based on the # of megabytes they download.  At first, a group 1 user would see about the same # of ads as group 2 but then it would steadily increase.  The system will also be updated to make it more difficult to bypass.

Group 2 users will be able to download up to 500 megabytes of skins and themes of the product they had bought and 50 megabytes elsewhere without having to purchase something or contribute something. Otherwise they are the same as group 1.

Group 3 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content in the product they've purchased plus 100 megabytes elsewhere. They don't see quite as much ads as group 2.

Group 4 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content. They see fewer ads. They get personal pages.

Group 5 users will be able to download premium skins. They see no ads. They have unlimited downloads. They get the WinCustomize skin browser. They get to download subscriber-only skins. Their posts, comments, etc. will have a graphic by them indicating that they are a subscriber.

New Features

Contributor Access.  Anyone who submits a skin, theme, icon, wallpaper that gets made public is automatically promoted to Contributor level. They automatically gain new privileges on the site.

Subscriber-Only Skins. When a user who has Master access or higher submits a skin, a checkbox will appear that will indicate whether it is only available for subscribers or not.  If checked, the skin is only available for subscribers for 30 days after its original create date (updates don't count).  Eventually, skinners will be able to have a special link to their Affiliate page (if exists) https://www.stardock.com/affiliates.asp that if the person buys a subscription from their link the skin author will receive 20% of the revenue.

Long Term Goal

In the near-term, we want to get the site to be financially viable.  A site with the level of visitation that WinCustomize currently has should have at least 3 full-time people dedicated to it with another 3 who provide help part-time (speaking in terms of web design, database development, ASP development, server management, community support, etc.).  The site also needs at least 3 more servers which is where the money from the subscription drive is largely going to go towards. 

Once revenue is more balanced under the current system through the changes we mentioned above, Stardock will hire people who will work on WinCustomize full-time to help support subscribers and the community in general.  Some people have noted how much of a difference just having one person providing community support in the forums recently.  Having people assigned to work on the site could make a big difference and help the site evolve into a place that isn't just a first-rate community but a place where skinners and artists can financially benefit from their work as well.

So the site isn't going to become some subscriber-only site.  There will be a few more limits on non-subscribers and those without accounts or haven't purchased anything will start to see a lot mroe ads.  But hopefully over time these changes will be enough to tilt the mighty ship on course.  When you're dealing with millions of people each month, you only have to make changes that make a slight effect.   Supporting the site can mean everything from buying a subscription to supporting our advertisers by visiting their sites through their ads to of course creating skins, themes, icons, wallpapers, etc. as well as participating on our forums and comments areas.

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Reply #151 Top
As far as the store analogy goes, I see it more like a art gallery. The artist hires the space and might make a sale (if selling). A fee is charged for those who come to view the work.



But the artist isnt selling anything...
Reply #152 Top
Okay, Okay, Okay...

One must remember when one posts a skin, on this site or any other, for others to access "freely" that site is not on their PC. It is on a server run by someone else. Isn't it only fair that the one who owns the server get something out of the whole post? And if not, wouldn't it be fair to say that the one owning the serverhas some say over the whole thing?

My 2 cents, more or less. Happy skinning!
Reply #153 Top
OK 4 questions....

1. When do the User Classes start?
2. How long is the semester?
3. What books do I need to buy?
4. What's the minimum passing grade?
Reply #154 Top
Yes Scorpio trying to help out a kid that wants to have a site and host other ppls skins for enjoyment and sharing is one thing yesssss in a case like that you help the kid out. "But" this is a business site that makes it's sales from the cool looking skins everyone makes for free? He is old enough and rich enough to pay his own rent but unfortunetly he may have to use some of that money he makes off of selling his apps to keep his site running so ppl can give him some more skins for his apps? (OMG! that's a sad thought!)
Reply #155 Top
if I was a skinnable software dev I would have a section and/or site for ppl that bought my apps to upload their skins for my apps and show my appreciation by not charging them for my rent...


You might reconsider charging if the cost of hosting those skins was reducing the profit you were making on your product in a significant way.

I did not mean to suggest that you specifically should start a skinning site. Only that there are many folks here who don't like the existing or proposed system but are not willing to put in the effort/time/money/skills requiered to make their own. It's one thing to offer suggestions on how to improve things, it's another to complain about it. {and for the record I am not putting you in the complainer catagory)
Reply #156 Top
TANSTAAFL.


But, I'm h-u-n-g-r-y

if I was a skinnable software dev I would have a section and/or site for ppl that bought my apps to upload their skins for my apps and show my appreciation by not charging them for my rent...


for how long, look at the numer of galleries and skins and the amount of traffic.
Reply #157 Top
What kid are we talking about again?
Reply #158 Top
The Chamelemonkey kid.
Reply #159 Top
Sorry, I didn't make myself clear, and I didn't realize I needed to read another page of posts before posting myself...duh.

My comment was in regard to Wincutomize and the significance of paying to use it.
Reply #160 Top
K, I skimmed through the 4 pages of posts in this thread and I didn't see no monkeys!?
Reply #161 Top
this isn't about the lizrad monkey thing from the other night is it?
Reply #162 Top
I didn't see no monkeys!?

All the way to the top of this page on the left side of the word WinCustomize. On top of that it's kinda one of those "you had to be there" things.
Reply #163 Top
Posted via WinCustomize Browser/Stardock Central
Reply #164 Top
//Somewhere in the distant future........

//**News Flash** In today's news, winCustomize has decided to completely shut off it's servers... forever. There have been riots in the streets in over 15 major cities as people no longter have access to the skins they need to change the look of their desktops. It is true mayhem. An official from winCustomiz was quoted as saying, "Well, we couldn't afford it, so we had to shut it down. People were not subscribing, and the business model was suffering, and we were bleeding a lot of red ink. We apologize for the inconvenience."


I don't know how the world is going to cope without free skins for their skinnable apps. Hopefully this will not cause global civil unrest... We will keep you updated on this developing story...



C'mon people. This is an important service to a lot of people, and those of us who see value will support it. It is as simple as that. If you don't like it, go to another site with lots of ads, and no DL restrictions. this is by far the best forum of its kind on the net that I have seen. If WC needs to be innovative to encourage subscribers, so be it. If you are a contributor, and you don't like it - stop contributing. Otherwise, subscribe, continue to add content, and encourage others to do the same. Simple as that.

Sembetu

Reply #165 Top
this isn't about the lizrad monkey thing from the other night is it?

I believe the original post was prior to moving to the new site. Someone (a female whose name I can't remember) was asking if anyone had a graphic of the site's monkey. It was definitely a top ten thread.
Reply #166 Top
I noticed the poll for male & female users... being female I look for "pretty" stuff that is glassy, easily colored & no gray (my favorite: MRS Glass.wb). Being of the minority here, just a thought... maybe more females would join if the "pretty" were more prominent.
Reply #167 Top
It was definitely a top ten thread.


One of the best!
Reply #168 Top
maybe more females would join if the "pretty" were more prominent.


I'd show a bigger pic but they have a limit on avatar size.
Reply #169 Top
Bichur's Avatar aside, I believe it will take more females posting to get more of the "pretty" on the site. When someone creates a skin or wallpaper etc. they are "guided" by their own idea of what's pretty/cool/neat/hot/dope/etc. etc.

It's also the idea that you skin for yourself and share what you want. There are several ladies already posting, look for items by APB, Starone, clwoods, Mcgiff, Alexandrie, Chrissy14
Reply #170 Top
There are quite a few pretty ones here.
And yes the site could use more (living in a stump, I need some pretty once in a while).

We have had some males posting some for the women, but personally I would like to see more skins by women.


and I don't blame anyone for putting my avatar (or anything else with my pic) aside.
Reply #171 Top
maybe more females would join if the "pretty" were more prominent.



beauty is in the eye of the beholder... and those with the money to expound on it heheheheh
Reply #172 Top
but personally I would like to see more skins by women.

I believe what you meant to say was "but personally I would like to see more womens skins."
Reply #173 Top

This has to be one of the most avidly commented threads in a while. Seems like a lot of issues are coming to the surface, too. Hopefully we will all be cleansed after this.



In any regard, when I was a DJ (please do not ask for details...) I heard the same thing about females... there should be more. You hear the same thing in Gaming circles, and in the IT world in general. I also believe there should be more participation on the part of females. However, I have always been told by many of the females who have decided to participate in these and other predominantly male fields that there is little appeal to them in regards to the content in general. If you want to make it more gender neutral there needs to be adaquate posting on the part of both sexes to be pallatable to both audiences and there has to be more participation on the female part. Without a significant voice added, there won't be significant female influence.



Sembetu
Reply #174 Top
I would like to see more skins by women.


My wife doesn't come to this site so I can say it . . . .

I would like to see more women's skins.
Reply #175 Top
i don't think woman like technology

maybe some do but not any i know