Frogboy Frogboy

WinCustomize: What happens next

WinCustomize: What happens next

The plan for WinCustomize's future

Overall Philosophy

WinCustomize.com is a website whose goals are to promote a skinning community as well as help support content being created and shared that is for use with Stardock's software. Over the years, WinCustomize.com's popularity has grown immensely.  By October of 2005, it had reached a staggering 25 million monthly visitors.  Because the site focuses largely on the downloading of skins, themes, icons, and wallpapers, the bandwidth expenses for the site are enormous.  In addition, as the site has tried to sustain a feeling of community as opposed to being merely a glorified FTP site, the expense in running the site has grown due to the need to bring in and coordinate increasing numbers of file, SQL, and scripting servers. 

In its present state, Stardock pays for the cost of WinCustomize that isn't covered by advertising revenue and WinCustomize subscriptions.  WinCustomize is a very valuable asset of Stardock and the community that it supports means a lot to the the people who work at Stardock.  Stardock is a privately held company so its motivations are not necessarily driven by maximizing profit (in other words, making money isn't the only goal).

However, while WinCustomize's importance to Stardock is immense, it is not infinite.  Simply put, the cost of running WinCustomize has outstripped Stardock's ability to sustain it.  Of the 25 million visitors each month, over 3 million of them are "unique" (i.e. different people).  Obviously, most of those users aren't Stardock customers in any form.  To make WinCustomize viable, the model under which is operates needs to evolve.  It is clear that a subscription drive isn't going to be enough.  The October subscription drive managed to bring in less than 1,000 people -- many of whom were existing subscribers who re-subscribed.  In essence, of a website that gets over 3 million different people visiting, it would seem that our "hard core" community of users is probably less (guessing) than a few thousand.  In other words, the "community" of users is still relatively small which isn't necessarily all bad.

Over the coming months, users will see a gradual evolution of the site designed to increase revenue coming into the site.  Most of the effort will come from increasing advertising revenue. The rest will come from encouraging subscriptions and providing financial rewards to skin authors.

Users who have Object Desktop will become distinct from users who have simply purchased a product.  Object Desktop users will not have full WinCustomize subscription status but they will have unlimited downloads.  Those who have purchased a given product (such as WindowBlinds or IconPackager) will have unlimited downloads in their corresponding product but not in other areas.  The biggest change an Object Desktop user will see is that some skins will be marked as subscriber-only for the first 30 days and those skins will be part of the normal gallery.  Otherwise, things will be essentially the same.

The biggest changes for users who haven't purchased is that the site will have a lot more advertising on it and there will be a much greater push for users to create an account.

User Classes

Classes of users:

0: People who do not have accounts.

1: People who have created an account but have no subscription and have not purchased a product. Accounts are free to create.

2: People who have purchased a product or subscription in the past but are currently not active customers

3: People who are active customers (purchased a product in the past year).

4: People who have an active Object Desktop account.

5: People who have a WinCustomize Platinum Subscription.

Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4.  Users with Journeyman access on up will have the equivalent of group 5. Users with Contributor access will have the equivalent of Group 2.

Access Privileges:

Group 0 users will not be able to download skins and themes that are 0 days old.  They will only be able to download 10 megabytes of other skins & themes.  The number of ads they see will be akin to what people see on other sites -- in other words quite a bit.  They will be designed to bypass the various ad-blocking programs (Stardock, after all, is a software developer, we can get around this stuff if we put effort into it).

Group 1 users will be able to download up to 50 megabytes of skins and themes without having to purchase something or contribute something. They will see a lot of ads but not quite as much as group 0. Still quite a bit more than they see today.  The number of ads these users see will grow based on the # of megabytes they download.  At first, a group 1 user would see about the same # of ads as group 2 but then it would steadily increase.  The system will also be updated to make it more difficult to bypass.

Group 2 users will be able to download up to 500 megabytes of skins and themes of the product they had bought and 50 megabytes elsewhere without having to purchase something or contribute something. Otherwise they are the same as group 1.

Group 3 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content in the product they've purchased plus 100 megabytes elsewhere. They don't see quite as much ads as group 2.

Group 4 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content. They see fewer ads. They get personal pages.

Group 5 users will be able to download premium skins. They see no ads. They have unlimited downloads. They get the WinCustomize skin browser. They get to download subscriber-only skins. Their posts, comments, etc. will have a graphic by them indicating that they are a subscriber.

New Features

Contributor Access.  Anyone who submits a skin, theme, icon, wallpaper that gets made public is automatically promoted to Contributor level. They automatically gain new privileges on the site.

Subscriber-Only Skins. When a user who has Master access or higher submits a skin, a checkbox will appear that will indicate whether it is only available for subscribers or not.  If checked, the skin is only available for subscribers for 30 days after its original create date (updates don't count).  Eventually, skinners will be able to have a special link to their Affiliate page (if exists) https://www.stardock.com/affiliates.asp that if the person buys a subscription from their link the skin author will receive 20% of the revenue.

Long Term Goal

In the near-term, we want to get the site to be financially viable.  A site with the level of visitation that WinCustomize currently has should have at least 3 full-time people dedicated to it with another 3 who provide help part-time (speaking in terms of web design, database development, ASP development, server management, community support, etc.).  The site also needs at least 3 more servers which is where the money from the subscription drive is largely going to go towards. 

Once revenue is more balanced under the current system through the changes we mentioned above, Stardock will hire people who will work on WinCustomize full-time to help support subscribers and the community in general.  Some people have noted how much of a difference just having one person providing community support in the forums recently.  Having people assigned to work on the site could make a big difference and help the site evolve into a place that isn't just a first-rate community but a place where skinners and artists can financially benefit from their work as well.

So the site isn't going to become some subscriber-only site.  There will be a few more limits on non-subscribers and those without accounts or haven't purchased anything will start to see a lot mroe ads.  But hopefully over time these changes will be enough to tilt the mighty ship on course.  When you're dealing with millions of people each month, you only have to make changes that make a slight effect.   Supporting the site can mean everything from buying a subscription to supporting our advertisers by visiting their sites through their ads to of course creating skins, themes, icons, wallpapers, etc. as well as participating on our forums and comments areas.

87,198 views 234 replies
Reply #176 Top
So when the Subscription Info Page be updated?
Reply #177 Top
[Bash2cool]
i don't think woman like technology

maybe some do but not any i know


Oh man. You need to get out more. Even your grammar is that of a caveman. And that is the most polite thing I could think to say.
Reply #178 Top
sounds like a great plan, good access plans and benifits for varying uses. my favorite is the unlimited downloads for specific products
Reply #179 Top
I have been an Object Desktop subscriber for many years now, and will continue to re-subscribe annually. Whatever category that puts me in, Im happy to be there. I could care less if you need to have some ads to pay the freight. The site is the first place I go every morning, and I think you are more than fair in all respects. Keep on keepin on!
Reply #180 Top
You need to get out more


i go out everyday and most of the ladys i see are business woman and teachers.
Reply #181 Top
i go out everyday and most of the ladys i see are business woman and teachers.


are there any spelling or grammar teachers?
Reply #182 Top
Yes, but we can preferably stay on-topic...
Reply #183 Top
I wonder what contributors get extra? Do they not have the Subscriber-Only limit?
Reply #184 Top
i go out everyday and most of the ladys i see are business woman and teachers.


are there any spelling or grammar teachers?




Bash: Writing here is just like it would be at school.
Reply #185 Top
Didn't I see something about profit/revenue sharing?
Reply #186 Top
Contributor Access. Anyone who submits a skin, theme, icon, wallpaper that gets made public is automatically promoted to Contributor level. They automatically gain new privileges on the site.

end quote.

Are you asking if there's more than this, Meowy?
Reply #187 Top
I'm still wondering, since I bought OD, and a subscription, where does that put me on the food chain around here? Peace. Hippie.........Still waiting!!!!
Reply #188 Top
Also, while I'm waiting. I am not a skinner. I come here to get skins. That is I bought OD and the subscription. If I could make skins, I wouldn't have to come here, I would just make the skin. I'll go back and play my guitar. Let me know something. This is about the only place I go on the net anymore.
Reply #189 Top
since I bought OD, and a subscription, where does that put me on the food chain around here?

OD subscription and WC subscription makes you a top level predator.
Reply #190 Top
3: People who are active customers (purchased a product in the past year).
4: People who have an active Object Desktop account.
5: People who have a WinCustomize Platinum Subscription.


see right there says so. Top level cannibals.
Reply #191 Top
You know, Citizen Kevison I see your point, I wasnt looking at it that way. I do love Wincustomize and will end up subscribing some time soon, not to get the skins per say (but id be lieing if I said that wasn't part of the reason) but to help out a great community and site. Since Ive been using OD Ive always looked at it in the way that if I buy this software I can then use the skins the people make and upload to the site. (the free ones) I do think stardock has a certain obligation to provide there customers with things you can use with the software but I suppose they should have the right to charge more for extra ones too. All in all I suppose they might come up with a plan of tying in a subscription to Wincustomize when you renew objectdesktop for the next year. Might be a easier way to just pay for the whole thing at once.

Anyway, Never meant to come off sounding ungrateful or anything.

Cya, Mark
Reply #192 Top
Well I went ahead and subscribed.. Its worth it to try and help.. Now I don't have anything to complain about..lol

Good luck, Mark
Reply #193 Top
Hey, I'm not a predator or cannibal. I'm just addicted to WB skins, and wondering where to get a fix. If you think about it, that's what most people come here for. I don't have statistics, but I bet the majority of people come here just for a certain skin, Whether it's a WB or a widget, whatever, I'm just thinkin' most people that come here don't skin. Oh well, like I said, I'll just go back and play my guitfiddle. I used to do drugs and party all the time. This helps me. I'm fascinated at the talent here. I can sing, write song's, and play guitar, but for the life of me I can't figure this skinning thing out. I bow to all that have that talent.
Reply #194 Top
I hope he was a nice enough guy to tell you that if you came back in 30 days that the phone covers would be free...
Reply #195 Top
ADS?? What ads? Oh wait.. I subscribed.
Sounds like a plan from intelligent people. I agree with f0r3 on this too,
I personally think after 30 days (well, maybe 60) WB should disable itself and not allow a re-install. Heck, while you're at it have it require the user to have created a WC account and tie the demo to that account.

...now if I can just figure out how to make all this new stuff work how I want it too.


Can I have 36 hours in a day pls?
Reply #196 Top
Ok.. I need to post this one. It's probably just my misunderstanding as usual..

But with the Contributer level.. Isn't that conflicting to what was trying to be achieved overall? Well maybe?

Basically, upload a skin with appoval, and gain rights? Like possibly of what registered user status is now?... Just would think a "contributer" would have to upload say a few skins all placing in the top 25-50 or something?

Other than that, everything fits in nicely..
Reply #197 Top
500 mb goes by pretty quick when you are downloading. For those at that level with DSL/Cable, really fast. You can go hog wild, and in a day download that much from WC. And then what? Now they gotta get hooked up with the sub or a product.
Reply #198 Top
As many times that I have reloaded my pc's, found myself prowling late night through the archives of skinz past and present, seems like a bargain to me. Coughed up my wooden nickels and forked over some greenbacks, to help carry the weight. Everything seems to be getting sorted out, and it wasn't like something like this wasn't going to happen eventually. I guess it all sound reasonable. Now I am going to go back to my corner and be quiet.
Reply #199 Top
First of all, i'd like to say that it was inevitable that WC would evolve into a truly 'commercial' entity at some point. The idea that eventually you have a critical mass of ppl who regularly visit the site and download stuff to change the look of their PC's, Laptops, etc represents an established market waiting to be exploited.

I fully appreciate that the non members should be encouraged to join and as the subcription drive failed utterly, this seems the logical next step.I also think that it's 'about time' that those who contribute to this site in the form of skinning receive something for their efforts. As i have observed, the majority don't even ask for anything and skin for the love of skinning.

It's a fine line to walk however and i would hope that those of use who subscribe and are active supporters of the community are not penalise if there is ever a shortfall in 'expected' revenue and that commercialism doesn't become the main focus of what was to my mind an open and 'free' arena of artistic and creative expression.

Lastly, i would also like the administrators to clarify what responsibilities subcribers and members have ie; ratings,uploading(where applicable),voting,etc. It's not just about paying the money, it's about maintain and improving a standard which has kept me a fan of this site for the last couple of years. I would hope that there will be a drive to fairness, equality and above all artistry which was what brought me to WC in the first place.

I look forward with interest to the coming changes and i hope to remain a supporter of Wincustomise and the skinning community for many years to come.

Good luck!
Reply #200 Top
i dunno if its just me, but i think people are confuzing windowblinds with wincustomize...