WinCustomize: What happens next

The plan for WinCustomize's future

Overall Philosophy

WinCustomize.com is a website whose goals are to promote a skinning community as well as help support content being created and shared that is for use with Stardock's software. Over the years, WinCustomize.com's popularity has grown immensely.  By October of 2005, it had reached a staggering 25 million monthly visitors.  Because the site focuses largely on the downloading of skins, themes, icons, and wallpapers, the bandwidth expenses for the site are enormous.  In addition, as the site has tried to sustain a feeling of community as opposed to being merely a glorified FTP site, the expense in running the site has grown due to the need to bring in and coordinate increasing numbers of file, SQL, and scripting servers. 

In its present state, Stardock pays for the cost of WinCustomize that isn't covered by advertising revenue and WinCustomize subscriptions.  WinCustomize is a very valuable asset of Stardock and the community that it supports means a lot to the the people who work at Stardock.  Stardock is a privately held company so its motivations are not necessarily driven by maximizing profit (in other words, making money isn't the only goal).

However, while WinCustomize's importance to Stardock is immense, it is not infinite.  Simply put, the cost of running WinCustomize has outstripped Stardock's ability to sustain it.  Of the 25 million visitors each month, over 3 million of them are "unique" (i.e. different people).  Obviously, most of those users aren't Stardock customers in any form.  To make WinCustomize viable, the model under which is operates needs to evolve.  It is clear that a subscription drive isn't going to be enough.  The October subscription drive managed to bring in less than 1,000 people -- many of whom were existing subscribers who re-subscribed.  In essence, of a website that gets over 3 million different people visiting, it would seem that our "hard core" community of users is probably less (guessing) than a few thousand.  In other words, the "community" of users is still relatively small which isn't necessarily all bad.

Over the coming months, users will see a gradual evolution of the site designed to increase revenue coming into the site.  Most of the effort will come from increasing advertising revenue. The rest will come from encouraging subscriptions and providing financial rewards to skin authors.

Users who have Object Desktop will become distinct from users who have simply purchased a product.  Object Desktop users will not have full WinCustomize subscription status but they will have unlimited downloads.  Those who have purchased a given product (such as WindowBlinds or IconPackager) will have unlimited downloads in their corresponding product but not in other areas.  The biggest change an Object Desktop user will see is that some skins will be marked as subscriber-only for the first 30 days and those skins will be part of the normal gallery.  Otherwise, things will be essentially the same.

The biggest changes for users who haven't purchased is that the site will have a lot more advertising on it and there will be a much greater push for users to create an account.

User Classes

Classes of users:

0: People who do not have accounts.

1: People who have created an account but have no subscription and have not purchased a product. Accounts are free to create.

2: People who have purchased a product or subscription in the past but are currently not active customers

3: People who are active customers (purchased a product in the past year).

4: People who have an active Object Desktop account.

5: People who have a WinCustomize Platinum Subscription.

Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4.  Users with Journeyman access on up will have the equivalent of group 5. Users with Contributor access will have the equivalent of Group 2.

Access Privileges:

Group 0 users will not be able to download skins and themes that are 0 days old.  They will only be able to download 10 megabytes of other skins & themes.  The number of ads they see will be akin to what people see on other sites -- in other words quite a bit.  They will be designed to bypass the various ad-blocking programs (Stardock, after all, is a software developer, we can get around this stuff if we put effort into it).

Group 1 users will be able to download up to 50 megabytes of skins and themes without having to purchase something or contribute something. They will see a lot of ads but not quite as much as group 0. Still quite a bit more than they see today.  The number of ads these users see will grow based on the # of megabytes they download.  At first, a group 1 user would see about the same # of ads as group 2 but then it would steadily increase.  The system will also be updated to make it more difficult to bypass.

Group 2 users will be able to download up to 500 megabytes of skins and themes of the product they had bought and 50 megabytes elsewhere without having to purchase something or contribute something. Otherwise they are the same as group 1.

Group 3 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content in the product they've purchased plus 100 megabytes elsewhere. They don't see quite as much ads as group 2.

Group 4 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content. They see fewer ads. They get personal pages.

Group 5 users will be able to download premium skins. They see no ads. They have unlimited downloads. They get the WinCustomize skin browser. They get to download subscriber-only skins. Their posts, comments, etc. will have a graphic by them indicating that they are a subscriber.

New Features

Contributor Access.  Anyone who submits a skin, theme, icon, wallpaper that gets made public is automatically promoted to Contributor level. They automatically gain new privileges on the site.

Subscriber-Only Skins. When a user who has Master access or higher submits a skin, a checkbox will appear that will indicate whether it is only available for subscribers or not.  If checked, the skin is only available for subscribers for 30 days after its original create date (updates don't count).  Eventually, skinners will be able to have a special link to their Affiliate page (if exists) https://www.stardock.com/affiliates.asp that if the person buys a subscription from their link the skin author will receive 20% of the revenue.

Long Term Goal

In the near-term, we want to get the site to be financially viable.  A site with the level of visitation that WinCustomize currently has should have at least 3 full-time people dedicated to it with another 3 who provide help part-time (speaking in terms of web design, database development, ASP development, server management, community support, etc.).  The site also needs at least 3 more servers which is where the money from the subscription drive is largely going to go towards. 

Once revenue is more balanced under the current system through the changes we mentioned above, Stardock will hire people who will work on WinCustomize full-time to help support subscribers and the community in general.  Some people have noted how much of a difference just having one person providing community support in the forums recently.  Having people assigned to work on the site could make a big difference and help the site evolve into a place that isn't just a first-rate community but a place where skinners and artists can financially benefit from their work as well.

So the site isn't going to become some subscriber-only site.  There will be a few more limits on non-subscribers and those without accounts or haven't purchased anything will start to see a lot mroe ads.  But hopefully over time these changes will be enough to tilt the mighty ship on course.  When you're dealing with millions of people each month, you only have to make changes that make a slight effect.   Supporting the site can mean everything from buying a subscription to supporting our advertisers by visiting their sites through their ads to of course creating skins, themes, icons, wallpapers, etc. as well as participating on our forums and comments areas.

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Reply #1 Top
Wow! This sounds like a really thoughtful and well-balanced approach. I'm impressed by the way you're working to tailor access to the site without shutting out newcomers altogether. And it's great that the affiliate skin authors can see a bit of a bonus in their revenue too, down the road.

Can you say a little more about the new priveleges that Contributor Access provides?

Overall, this plan looks completely solid.
Reply #2 Top

One word....

[OK, so it's not a word]....

Reply #3 Top
sounds good to me ... can authors maybe get WC store credit instead of a cash payout? i would rather put the $ i may get .. no mater how little it is... back in to the community
Reply #4 Top
I'm of the opinion that non-subscribers should be limited WAY more, but I think that this is a definate improvement over the current system.

Good thoughts, Brad. I look forward to seeing new faces at Stardock once revenue starts being generated.
Reply #5 Top
Now all of that seems very fair and a well planned idea for a better way of having the best skinning site on the net as I see it and I hope others will agree with this also ~~!!

Excellent Brad~!
SGT
Reply #6 Top
This response was very well thought out and flawlessly presented...great job! I can not wait to see what changes are in store and how the revenue stream changes afterwards.
Reply #7 Top
I think these changes will definitely be for the best! Thanks for keeping us informed!
Reply #8 Top
A "kitty" area for paypal would be a good idea ...people could throw a few bucks into it, and every month or so ~if a newcomer has been diligent in making a serious effort towards contributing to the well-being of the site ...they could be rewarded from the "kitty" with a product, or subscription etc.

This would encourage folks to participate, whilst also giving a reward for doing so....

...Just a thought
Reply #9 Top
Um, Ok. I like it all very well indeed. But one question: did I purchase a "platinum" Wincustomize subscription today? or was it a lesser valued version?
Reply #10 Top
A "kitty" area for paypal would be a good idea ...people could throw a few bucks into it, and every month or so ~if a newcomer has been diligent in making a serious effort towards contributing to the well-being of the site ...they could be rewarded from the "kitty" with a product, or subscription etc.



to expound on this further also it would be nice if the authors who are making $ off the proposed refferal/sub plan could "if they choose" to add to the kitty with a percentage of their WC revenues to help "sponsor" newcomers...

to me. any $ I may get from anything I upload I would rather spend at the store or dontate to helping aspireing skinners...
Reply #11 Top
And what exactly is "Access (1)"??
Reply #12 Top
if ya bought a WC sub ya have the full WC platinum sub from what ive read ...
Reply #13 Top
Good, I was worried there. Thought I was gonna hafta get busy on some skins and upload a.s.a.p. Not that I am not working on some already.
Reply #14 Top
Hey Brad and All,

Nice way to implement some change. I like your methods. You've always been fair and then also strict at the same time, which is pretty cool. This doesn't completely get rid of the "leechers" but it does make them think twice about subscribing. Well done. I like the way you implemented the 10MB limit for Group 0. I suggested that 10MB be done and I'm happy to see it in there. (Not saying you even seen my post. Lol). But, cool.

I am a current ObjectDesktop and WinCustomize.com Subscriber. Therefore, one could only assume I am of God-like access, correct? (Lol). Just messing with you all. But, I should be in Group 5, at least.

This was a very fair approach and it needed to be done. It would have been stupid to have the resources here to continue to be abused by those who can't even contribute. (Via.. Skins, Subscription, Etc..)

I would however like to see more than just Skin Artists get recognition though!! Sorry I haven't made any skins but I do help out in other ways. A Skinning site yes, but people can help out the site in other big ways IMO (via promotion, etc..) At my job, I actually have flyers on the Front Desk I created that promotes Wincustomize.com and Stardock. How about those apples?
Reply #15 Top
We need screenshots of those flyers!
Reply #16 Top
We need screenshots of those flyers!


Lol. I can work on getting those uploaded to my photo gallery when I get home. But I'm at "work" right now.
Reply #17 Top
That'll work!
Reply #18 Top
I agree with all the changes. It is necessary as pointed out in a well thought out plan. Forgive me if I come across as sounding stupid, I am an OD subscriber as well as a WC subscriber, but what is a WC Platinum subscriber? Is that me, or did I miss something somewhere?
Reply #19 Top
I agree with all the changes. It is necessary as pointed out in a well thought out plan. Forgive me if I come across as sounding stupid, I am an OD subscriber as well as a WC subscriber, but what is a WC Platinum subscriber? Is that me, or did I miss something somewhere?


CaptainWin,

If we aren't WC Platinum Subscribers by default since we have active purchases of ObjectDesktop and WinCustomize.com Subscription I would be highly suprised. I wouldn't really worry too much about it. We are nevertheless amongst the "highest class" of contributor (at least via revenue into WinCustomize.com and Stardock) besides the fact that we don't make skins (at least I don't). Therefore, I imagine we are now considered (or will be) WC Platinum Subscribers.
Reply #20 Top
Seems a well conceived plan and one that should have a fair chance for success. Congrats to you!
Reply #21 Top
Just to test my privileges, I logged out while using WC browser and there were bunches of ads, so I did the obvious and logged back in.
Reply #22 Top
Great plan!
Reply #23 Top
Just to test my privileges, I logged out while using WC browser and there were bunches of ads, so I did the obvious and logged back in.


Lol. I wouldn't have made the initial log-out Scorpio to even check, I'd fear seeing enough ads to make my ears bleed. Lol I wouldn't want to be a non-subscriber or non-stardock software purchaser these days after the new changes are fully implemented.

Just some food for though. "Leechers" it looks like now you have your answer as to what will happen.. Wonder how many of you will subscribe or purchase stardock products and how many will leave? Guess we'll find out.
Reply #24 Top
I completely agree with and support these changes Brad! They are well constructed and will not change the face of WC too much overnight.

Posted via WinCustomize Browser/Stardock Central
Reply #25 Top
Works for me.
I'm not a designer by any stretch, but I appreciate good work when I see it. That's why I subscribe and have Object Desktop. I don't like to get something for nothing if there is skill and time involved. It's only right to pay an artist for his/her work.
'nuff said.