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WinCustomize: What happens next

WinCustomize: What happens next

The plan for WinCustomize's future

Overall Philosophy

WinCustomize.com is a website whose goals are to promote a skinning community as well as help support content being created and shared that is for use with Stardock's software. Over the years, WinCustomize.com's popularity has grown immensely.  By October of 2005, it had reached a staggering 25 million monthly visitors.  Because the site focuses largely on the downloading of skins, themes, icons, and wallpapers, the bandwidth expenses for the site are enormous.  In addition, as the site has tried to sustain a feeling of community as opposed to being merely a glorified FTP site, the expense in running the site has grown due to the need to bring in and coordinate increasing numbers of file, SQL, and scripting servers. 

In its present state, Stardock pays for the cost of WinCustomize that isn't covered by advertising revenue and WinCustomize subscriptions.  WinCustomize is a very valuable asset of Stardock and the community that it supports means a lot to the the people who work at Stardock.  Stardock is a privately held company so its motivations are not necessarily driven by maximizing profit (in other words, making money isn't the only goal).

However, while WinCustomize's importance to Stardock is immense, it is not infinite.  Simply put, the cost of running WinCustomize has outstripped Stardock's ability to sustain it.  Of the 25 million visitors each month, over 3 million of them are "unique" (i.e. different people).  Obviously, most of those users aren't Stardock customers in any form.  To make WinCustomize viable, the model under which is operates needs to evolve.  It is clear that a subscription drive isn't going to be enough.  The October subscription drive managed to bring in less than 1,000 people -- many of whom were existing subscribers who re-subscribed.  In essence, of a website that gets over 3 million different people visiting, it would seem that our "hard core" community of users is probably less (guessing) than a few thousand.  In other words, the "community" of users is still relatively small which isn't necessarily all bad.

Over the coming months, users will see a gradual evolution of the site designed to increase revenue coming into the site.  Most of the effort will come from increasing advertising revenue. The rest will come from encouraging subscriptions and providing financial rewards to skin authors.

Users who have Object Desktop will become distinct from users who have simply purchased a product.  Object Desktop users will not have full WinCustomize subscription status but they will have unlimited downloads.  Those who have purchased a given product (such as WindowBlinds or IconPackager) will have unlimited downloads in their corresponding product but not in other areas.  The biggest change an Object Desktop user will see is that some skins will be marked as subscriber-only for the first 30 days and those skins will be part of the normal gallery.  Otherwise, things will be essentially the same.

The biggest changes for users who haven't purchased is that the site will have a lot more advertising on it and there will be a much greater push for users to create an account.

User Classes

Classes of users:

0: People who do not have accounts.

1: People who have created an account but have no subscription and have not purchased a product. Accounts are free to create.

2: People who have purchased a product or subscription in the past but are currently not active customers

3: People who are active customers (purchased a product in the past year).

4: People who have an active Object Desktop account.

5: People who have a WinCustomize Platinum Subscription.

Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4.  Users with Journeyman access on up will have the equivalent of group 5. Users with Contributor access will have the equivalent of Group 2.

Access Privileges:

Group 0 users will not be able to download skins and themes that are 0 days old.  They will only be able to download 10 megabytes of other skins & themes.  The number of ads they see will be akin to what people see on other sites -- in other words quite a bit.  They will be designed to bypass the various ad-blocking programs (Stardock, after all, is a software developer, we can get around this stuff if we put effort into it).

Group 1 users will be able to download up to 50 megabytes of skins and themes without having to purchase something or contribute something. They will see a lot of ads but not quite as much as group 0. Still quite a bit more than they see today.  The number of ads these users see will grow based on the # of megabytes they download.  At first, a group 1 user would see about the same # of ads as group 2 but then it would steadily increase.  The system will also be updated to make it more difficult to bypass.

Group 2 users will be able to download up to 500 megabytes of skins and themes of the product they had bought and 50 megabytes elsewhere without having to purchase something or contribute something. Otherwise they are the same as group 1.

Group 3 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content in the product they've purchased plus 100 megabytes elsewhere. They don't see quite as much ads as group 2.

Group 4 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content. They see fewer ads. They get personal pages.

Group 5 users will be able to download premium skins. They see no ads. They have unlimited downloads. They get the WinCustomize skin browser. They get to download subscriber-only skins. Their posts, comments, etc. will have a graphic by them indicating that they are a subscriber.

New Features

Contributor Access.  Anyone who submits a skin, theme, icon, wallpaper that gets made public is automatically promoted to Contributor level. They automatically gain new privileges on the site.

Subscriber-Only Skins. When a user who has Master access or higher submits a skin, a checkbox will appear that will indicate whether it is only available for subscribers or not.  If checked, the skin is only available for subscribers for 30 days after its original create date (updates don't count).  Eventually, skinners will be able to have a special link to their Affiliate page (if exists) https://www.stardock.com/affiliates.asp that if the person buys a subscription from their link the skin author will receive 20% of the revenue.

Long Term Goal

In the near-term, we want to get the site to be financially viable.  A site with the level of visitation that WinCustomize currently has should have at least 3 full-time people dedicated to it with another 3 who provide help part-time (speaking in terms of web design, database development, ASP development, server management, community support, etc.).  The site also needs at least 3 more servers which is where the money from the subscription drive is largely going to go towards. 

Once revenue is more balanced under the current system through the changes we mentioned above, Stardock will hire people who will work on WinCustomize full-time to help support subscribers and the community in general.  Some people have noted how much of a difference just having one person providing community support in the forums recently.  Having people assigned to work on the site could make a big difference and help the site evolve into a place that isn't just a first-rate community but a place where skinners and artists can financially benefit from their work as well.

So the site isn't going to become some subscriber-only site.  There will be a few more limits on non-subscribers and those without accounts or haven't purchased anything will start to see a lot mroe ads.  But hopefully over time these changes will be enough to tilt the mighty ship on course.  When you're dealing with millions of people each month, you only have to make changes that make a slight effect.   Supporting the site can mean everything from buying a subscription to supporting our advertisers by visiting their sites through their ads to of course creating skins, themes, icons, wallpapers, etc. as well as participating on our forums and comments areas.

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Reply #201 Top
heheh almost makes one wonder.
Reply #202 Top
I don't understand how there could be so much speculation. It's all plain to read. This isn't about Windowblinds, it's about "skinning" and a site that provides PC users with a place to exchange ideas. I am sure those that started the site, and the product, had no idea how big it would get. Look at the number of people who surf the WC site daily. Wow. I can imagine what kind of setup they are using to keep the site up. And think about how much $$$$ it might take to keep that many people surfing without critical melt downs. I see rack servers in the future. How else are you gonna organize and distribute that many IPs?

Having one PC running myself, it takes me constant maintenance to keep it funning, because I download/install and experiment daily. So those of us out there with the one funning machine, imagine trying to keep 4 and 5 boxes running smoothly, with millions of digital people running around making a mess, trying to keep it cleaned and efficient.

I haven't read anywhere in Stardock or WC rules/guidelines where it is stated that these are majority ruled sites. Yeah, it pays to do what the customer most wants, but rules must be made to keep things in order.

I see nothing too restrictive, or too lax, about the guidelines set in this thread-header by Brad. I am sure that they crew in charge took a lot of time and lots of emails to come to the their conclusion.

I am completely happy with it, one: because I have a sub and OD. I don't even know what all perks I get, as long as I can still surf through all these wonderful desktop enhancements, I don't mind paying a sub renewal. I'm just glad it isn't like an OS platform, where you pay ungodly for half-@zzed functionality and support for uncounted years (or in the case of older OS like 98, no support anymore).

This is a growing entity. The entity needs nourishment. Give it love, it will give back tenfold. Six cents a day, pretty good price I say. And those of us that want MORE restriction on download access, hey give em some enough to make their mouths drool. Then give em a hanky and offer a second plate. They will come for more. Those that don't aren't usually worth entertaining anyway.

Thanks for reading my 3 cents. Happy skinning!
Reply #203 Top
#202 AMEN. Thanks, everyone at Stardock and WC. Enuff, already...can we get on with it? (see WB 5 thread )
Reply #204 Top


Where the heck are you guys getting these numbers? I subscribed to WC at the begging of October and the only number I see is a five digit one!?!? (I think it's my conjoined OD/WC number...)


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Reply #205 Top
All in all, I think it's a good plan.

I only wish I had the skinning talent that I see here. But I don't, so I pay. What's so hard to understand about that?

I guess it's just that it's been "free" for so long that any change like this is bound to cause a ruckus!

Hey Doreen - I've used at least one of your WP layouts from Marsware!


Posted via WinCustomize Browser/Stardock Central
Reply #206 Top
Brad,
I think this is a smart, well thought out plan, and I agree with it wholeheartedly. Just my opinion.
Bev
Reply #207 Top
Well thought out, Brad! All these changes shoud be good for Stardock, WC and the Community. My hat's off to ya!
Reply #208 Top
just thought you might want a little encouragement on some theoretical progress... your thoughts?

Reply #209 Top

Someone who buys Object Desktop currently gets:

  1. Component Tray
  2. ControlCenter
  3. Desktop Gadgets (which is a half dozen programs on its own)
  4. DesktopX
  5. Enhanced File Dialog
  6. IconDeveloper
  7. IconPackager
  8. IconX
  9. Keyboard LaunchPad
  10. ObjectEdit
  11. Object Sweeper
  12. ObjectBar
  13. ObjectMedia
  14. RightCLick
  15. SkinStudio Pro
  16. Stardock Virtual Desktops
  17. Tab LaunchPad
  18. Theme Manager
  19. TweakShell
  20. WindowBlinds 5
  21. WindowFX

That's 21 programs for $50.  Even if you only use say 4 of these programs, that's still an incredible deal.  I am rather surprised to hear anyone suggest that ON TOP of this the user should get a free full subscription to WinCustomize.com.

When I buy a CD player, I don't expect to get my music for free.  Here, Stardock is providing Object Desktop users with unlimited bandwidth use of WinCustomize, just not to subscriber specific skins.

Reply #210 Top
That's 21 programs for $50. Even if you only use say 4 of these programs, that's still an incredible deal. I am rather surprised to hear anyone suggest that ON TOP of this the user should get a free full subscription to WinCustomize.com.

When I buy a CD player, I don't expect to get my music for free. Here, Stardock is providing Object Desktop users with unlimited bandwidth use of WinCustomize, just not to subscriber specific skins.


I tend to agree. I am an OD subscriber, and I initially subscribed to WC when the site was first put online, but let it lapse after two years, due to the fact that my OD status pretty much gave me access to everything that I use here. I have re-subscribed to WC however, simnply because I want to do my part to keep the site online (and I hate ads).
Reply #211 Top
I Fly Around With A Yard Sale Puter And Just Happy To Share, I Might Not Be Able To Have Internet Connection Soon And Understand Difficult Times, Wanted To Thank You All I Had Lots Of Fun...
Hope To Stay Or Be Connected, Lono358.....
Reply #212 Top
I've been wanting to subscribe, but didn't have the cash laying around.Since I'm still technically a minor (17 yrs old)I can't get my hands on a credit card/paypal I think.
But on december I get my first paycheck from a job I recently got offered.
First thing I'm going to do is get a subscription, even if it has to be by moneyorder, to wincustomize.

Not only that but I'm going to try to contribute to this site from now and on.
This is inspiration from some of the top theme artist, which I look up to.
Someday I hope to be as well known as Kol or Steve Grenier. Some of the people that spark my intrest in skinning.
Reply #213 Top
Just wonder how many OD subcribers there is ?
Reply #214 Top
just thought you might want a little encouragement on some theoretical progress... your thoughts?


Nice cover!
Reply #215 Top
When I buy a CD player, I don't expect to get my music for free. Here, Stardock is providing Object Desktop users with unlimited bandwidth use of WinCustomize, just not to subscriber specific skins.


When I purhcased my MP3 player, I recieved some free music from an online music store as a 'taste' of what I could get. How about a one week trial for new ODNT users? I definatly agree that ODNT users get a bang for their buck when they purchase it. There are so many great tools in there!
Reply #216 Top
When I purhcased my MP3 player, I recieved some free music from an online music store as a 'taste' of what I could get.


Most of the items in Brad's list come with quite a number of sample skins already.
Reply #217 Top

When I purhcased my MP3 player, I recieved some free music from an online music store as a 'taste' of what I could get. How about a one week trial for new ODNT users? I definatly agree that ODNT users get a bang for their buck when they purchase it. There are so many great tools in there!

We already include a bunch of skins, themes, and icons with the various programs.  In addition, Object Desktop users get unlimited downloads on WinCustomize.com.

Reply #218 Top
Someone who buys Object Desktop currently gets:
Component Tray
ControlCenter
Desktop Gadgets (which is a half dozen programs on its own)
DesktopX
Enhanced File Dialog
IconDeveloper
IconPackager
IconX
Keyboard LaunchPad
ObjectEdit
Object Sweeper
ObjectBar
ObjectMedia
RightCLick
SkinStudio Pro
Stardock Virtual Desktops
Tab LaunchPad
Theme Manager
TweakShell
WindowBlinds 5
WindowFX


Actually, those last two? They don't like playing with each other right now....
But I do agree with you, I have OD for 7 months and I still haven't played with all my toys.
Reply #219 Top
Shembatu: cool cover.
Reply #220 Top
The only reason I suggested a one week trial would be to let people try out some of the features they would get. Not including the unlimited downloads. I know there is a trial version of the WB browser. But what about some of the other features?
Reply #221 Top
exodus, i think they've covered that well with the access privledges.. 50 megs is a good amount of stuff for simply registering to the site
Reply #222 Top
If you read my first post (#215), I suggested this only for new ODNT subscribers. These people would already have access to unlimited downloads (except subscriber specific skins). So being able to download unlimited skins is not really the issue. I also stated that this would only be a one week trial for some of the subscriber features on WC, such as the photo album and rating skins. I only suggested this because I thought it may be a good idea for people to see what kind of features they'd be getting if they subscribed to WC.
Reply #223 Top
exodus, i think they've covered that well with the access privledges.. 50 megs is a good amount of stuff for simply registering to the site



I agree -- if you search you can easily find 50 MB of spectacular material!
Reply #224 Top
i think that lots of ppl see WinCustomize more as an idea/skin/any king of related file-sharing site, and do not realize the maintenance fees necessary to keep such a huge website on the web. Also i believe that ads should be deleted TOTALLY fm the OD subscribers accounts( it IS 50 bucks for a 1 year subscription to OD). Also, Major contributors(Kol and others) should have better status, sth between groups 2 & 3(closer to 3)
Just to know, are the DL limits per day, week, month, year, or just THATS THE LIMIT, cuz hell,10 or even 50 Megs cap for an infinite period of time is LOW.
Reply #225 Top
Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4. Users with Journeyman access on up will have the equivalent of group 5. Users with Contributor access will have the equivalent of Group 2.


I believe KoL, and skinners of the same excellent talent who have been recognized at this level, will fall under this category.