here is a question for those of you who are so much smarter than me.

god sent prophets to the Jews for every generation for three thousand years.

then Christ comes and dies for our sins. so why do you think it is that god has stopped sending prophets.


just so you know i don't believe this. but it seems that most Christians and Jews do believe it.

the first pope was the last roman emperor. so i say again that the catholic church leadership is not Christian but the remains of the roman government.

i am not saying that the people are not Christians. some of them are.

the same with the religion i follow i am Mormon. only some of them are true Christians. the rest are not.

however the leadership for the most part is Christian. they donate without fanfare.


i try to follow the teachings of Christ. but i do not go to church haven't in 20 years. i do try to follow the teachings. but i do not claim to be a true Christian i come up short very short.

i stopped trying to be perfect about 20 years ago. i am not able to be perfect so i gave up on that idea. now i just do what seems to be right and what i want to do at the time.


as for who killed Christ it wasn't the romans and it wasn't the Jews. it was the Pharisees. the romans pulled the trigger. the people demanded his death but it was the Pharisees that knew who he was.


i will tell you one thing that i do not believe that there was something before this life i know there was. personnal experience.

It isn't about being perfect,but trying to walk out one day without sin,then another,then another,we are to walk out Torah/Instruction as he did and taught without excuse. He came to restore the Family and the friends of Joseph back to what was taken away because of sin,I tell you its going to be any wonder anyone is going to be saved,for so many listen to false teachers teaching false ways as true ways.
For 38 of my 42 yrs. I have heard every excuse to be lawless that can be twisted out of the scriptures,and Yahshua and his Apostles and their congregations were far from being lawless til it all ended in 329 a.d. and Lucifer conquered the communities by threat of death and instituted his sun of hell Iesus as the christian god and savour.

The information is in the Bible all you have to do is read in faith and all will soon open up but you have to be willing to read and learn not make excuses to sin.
Pastor Terry

It isn't about being perfect,but trying to walk out one day without sin,then another,then another,we are to walk out Torah/Instruction as he did and taught without excuse. He came to restore the Family and the friends of Joseph back to what was taken away because of sin,I tell you its going to be any wonder anyone is going to be saved,for so many listen to false teachers teaching false ways as true ways.
For 38 of my 42 yrs. I have heard every excuse to be lawless that can be twisted out of the scriptures,and Yahshua and his Apostles and their congregations were far from being lawless til it all ended in 329 a.d. and Lucifer conquered the communities by threat of death and instituted his sun of hell Iesus as the christian god and savour.

The information is in the Bible all you have to do is read in faith and all will soon open up but you have to be willing to read and learn not make excuses to sin.
Pastor Terry

Bad dog! there is some good stuff going back and forth here, stuff I don't know, so let me continue to be educated!

Daniellost posts:


As far as God's Revelation , both written oral Tradition, there will be no more Revelation. That ended with the death of the Last Apostle. Now, we must use what All merciful and loving God has given to know love and serve Him in this life to be with Him in the next eternal life.

I don't know whether God has stopped sending prophets or not. That would be an interesting study. Scripture tells us He will send 2 witnesses in the End Times.

Whether or not there are any more prophets doesn't mean Scriptural prophecy has all been fulfilled. It hasn't. Scripture tells us that Christ's Second Coming when He will judge the living and the dead.

MM

Yes, I quite agree, it's true...This is good stuff being discussed.

Methinks that when you say "So let me continue to be educated" has double meaning....like the prize of the 100 mark?

I think what scares me the most is how sure some people are that theirs is the only way to G-d grace loving arms. I just have this feeling that SO many of you wikk be suprised as yiu are lefty behind.

if your talking about me and 100 comments 1 i really don't care. 2. i am already 4th in number of threads. so that will now get you to call me a lier again.

but i was 4th before i even knew they were keeping score.

actually he won't be judging any dead.

the scriptures also tell us that god is the only one who knows when Christ will return. not the angels and not Christ only god.

and i wouldn't worry about that until moderateman rebuilds the temple of Solomon. (the jews) 




so your saying that god doesn't care about us enough to send us help.

Lula? I have quite a collection iof 100 Plus relpy articles, about 20 or so, they have lost meaning to me other than it shows a well received article. I even have two 300 Plus comment articles.

What I said about being educated is exactly what I mean, to stop being educated is to die, I still have a wonderfully curious brain and am not afraid to ask questions about subject matter I know nothing about.

Thank you Sabrina for pushing this article into 100, MY own personal benchmark for a job well done., Even without your halp I think it would have hit 100.

KEREMIAH3131 Posts:


Please note I've changed and highlighted some of the words the passage according to the Douay Rheims version.

These verses describe what Our Lord God is saying in Jeremias' prophecy which has been fulfilled. V. 31-32 describe the Old Covenant (Old Law--biblical Judaism),broken by the people's sins; v 33-34 speak very forcefully of the New Covenant which will endure forever.

Nothing what I've written concerning the covenants contradicts Jeremias 31:31-34.

The Old Covenant is described as having 3 characteristic features; It carried the force of tradition becasue it was a covenant made with the "fathers"; it was a sign of divine election as can be seen with the phrase "I took them by the hand"; and it showed God's authority over His people.

The New COvenant has 3 characteristics too. It's new, interior and heartfelt. It's new becasue prior to it, God was never described this way, yet not new in terms that the previous covenant has ceased to operate (Hebrews 8:18-31), but in the sense that it is definitive and will not be superceded.

When, at the Last Supper, Jesus said the words of consecration over the chalice, "This cup which is poured out for you is the New Testament (Covenant) (St.LUke 22:20; 1Cor.11:25), He brings Jeremias' prophecy to fulfillment.


The New COvenant is interior, in that the New Law is written on their hearts. It's etched in the heart of the people and of each individual. It's content didn't change, it's still the Law of GOd, but people now will know it in a different way. The previous COvenant was written on tablets of stone (Ex.31:38 34:28), but this one will be written on the heart and soul of every one. Therefore, it's part of a person's being. It's not just an external obligation, people's well-formed consciences tell them what they ought to do; If they fail to live up to the demands of t he COvenant, they lose their identity until they are converted and are redeemed from sin.

In Hebrews 10:8, in explaining this further, that the NC Christ has obtained forgiveness of sins for us through His Cross and therefore the old sin offerings of the OC no longer have any effect.

Finally, it's heartfelt, because it's based on a loving relatonship between God and His people. Jer. 31:33; 7:23. It implies bonds of fidelty and love. Check back with Hosea 1:9.

To carry this through to everyday living, moral imperatives should not come via legal imposition from outside, they should arise from a person's heart---the aim being not so much perfect, guiltless behavior as living in union with God: "All who keep My Commandments abide in Him, and He in them." 1St.Jn.3:24.

Lastly, the New Covenant has given its name to the New testament on which the New people of God is founded. The New Covenant is a call for unity and of peace for all mankind through fidelty to God and His Laws and love of one another. From Lumen gentium 9,

"At all times and in every race God has given welcome to whosoever fears Him and does what is right. GOd, however, does not make men holy and save them merely as individuals, without bond and link between one another. Rather, it has pleased Him to bring men together as one people, a people that acknowledges Him in truth and serves Him in holiness.

He therfore chose the race of Israel as a people unto Himself. With it He set up a covenant. Step by step He and prepared this people, making known in its history both Himself and the decree of His Will and making it holy unto Himself. All these things were done, however, by way of preparation and as a figure of that new and perfect covenant, which was to be ratified in Christ, and of that fuller Revelation which was to be given through the Word of God Himself made flesh.

Christ instituted this New Covenant, the New Testament, in His Blood, calling together a people made up of Jew and Gentile, making them one, not according to the flesh, but in the Spirit.




Jeremiah3131, you may neither like it nor believe it, but truth is that it is only the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church that points to the degree of continuity of the Old Covenant and the Sacrifice of Christ. The Mosaic sacrifices really had no power to forgive sins, Christ's sacrifice does. Christ gave His authority to His apostles, St.Peter being the rock upon which He built His Church and gave him the keys to the kingdom and the power to bind and loose which had in turn been handed down through successors. Christ promised that He will be with His Church until the end of time and that the gates of Hell will not prevail.

Peace,

No, I'M the only true Christian!

(sorry, denominationalism had me in its grip again!)

Daniellost posts:

So have Mormons discarded the Apostles' Creed? For in their Creed, the Apostle's say "I believe in God...I believe in Jesus Christ...He ascended into Heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again to judge the living and the dead."



Yes, this is what Sacred Scripture says. No one, not even Christ knows the day when Christ will return...that's all according to God's plan and at His own pleasure. Christ tells us to watch and pray.

It's kinda the same warning that no one knows when their last breath will be...when their ticket to ride is up. Scripture says it comes like a thief in the night...and to be ready.


Lulapilgrim posts:

No, I'm not saying nor have sais that at all. God cared so much for us that He sent His only begotten Son who died for us and before He went to heaven, He established a Church who was sent into the world to carry on Christ's mission to bring all souls to Heaven. God gave us Sacred Scripture and Sacred Apostolic Tradition to help us in our journey..both of these are the Church's deposit of faith.

MM posts:

Well, congratulations, MM. 100 or more comments and especially 300 shows a very well received article...and this one seems to fit the bill...(especially with helpers like LW   !

LW, I didn't mean any harm or to impugn MM's sincerity by mentioning MM's record of wanting to reach the 100 goal..I'm only recalling some of his own comments on other threads. ...now excuse me while I return to the yipping and yapping...

I dunno, reading through this all I keep hearing in my head is "Hallowed are the Ori". Ok, it's back to hiding in shadow for me.

Lula, you are mistaken. Jeremiah is talking about when Israel broke the covenant when they were in the wilderness. G-D wanted to give Israel a writ of divorce and destroy but Moses intervened and pleaded G-D not to.



Oh really?



Seems to me there is still A LOT of teaching going on for this to be fulfilled.

Also, Note: Paul talks about KEEPING Passover (as you note as 'the last supper') in 1 Cor 5:7-8. If the OT was done away with why would Paul writing many years after Jesus resurrection tell us to KEEP this feast?

Lula posts:

Adventure-Dude,

If you read these verses of Jeremias carefully, you'll see that only v. 32 mentions Isreal breaking the Old Covenant. (It doesn't go into the what, whys and wherefors.) The main thrust of Jeremias 31 is foretelling how the New Covenant will be different from the Old Covenant. I outlined those differences. The old made with Moses was written on stone, and the New, engraved on the minds and hearts of the faithful.

The Old COvenant was, in the fullest sense, fulfilled only through the work of Christ and by His death on the Cross. The shedding of Christ's blood was necessary for the ratification of the New COvenant, just as the shedding of blood was needed for that of the Sinai Covenant. Moses sprinkled the blood of calves and goats on the Book of the Law, the people, the tabernacle, and the ritual vessels in the Temple. He did so to purify them formulating a very important principle---that the shedding of blood was needed for purification and forgiveness.



It's been fulfilled and the teachings of Christ through His Church continues and will until the end of time. Here in V. 34, God is saying through Jeremias' prophecy that the Israelite people shall teach no more of the ceremonial OLd Law. Their exclusive power to teach and share God with the nations was gone forever when the Temple veil was rent at Christ's crucifixation and later the confusion that immediately followed was gone forever with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple was destroyed stone by stone in 70AD. Isaias 2: 2-5, 56. The Israelites went into dispersion at this point. Gone forever, is the sprinkling of blood (Temple sacrifice) for the forgiveness of sins.

Gone were the sacrifices of the Old Mosaic Law that only promised ephemeral benefits whereas Christ's redemptive sacrifice obtained for man, once for all, the good things to come, God's grace and entry into Heaven.




St.Paul is perhaps one of the most famous of Jews who converted and was baptized in the Christian faith. The Last Supper for Catholics is when Christ instituted the Priesthood according to the order of Melchidedieck (sp?) and the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.


1Cor. 5:7-8, "Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our Paschal Lamb, has been sacrificed. Let us therefore, celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincereity and truth."

Notice here that by what St.Paul said, Christ, the Paschal Lamb, has already died on the Cross. He is using examples taken from the Jewish celebration of Passover and the Azymes (without leaven) to draw spiritual lessons for the Corinthians.

The Passover was the principle feast of the Israelites and its central rite was the eating of the passover lamb. Christ, our Passover, our Pachal Lamb, has been sacrificed. The paschal lamb was a promise and prefigurement of the true Lamb, Jesus Christ who was the victim of the sacrifice on Calvary, offered on behalf of all mankind for the redemption and forgiveness of sins.

The feast of the Paschal Lamb with the unleavened bread (Holy Eucharist) that we are to keep and always to celebrate is the perennial value of the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross renewed every time a Catholic Mass is celebrated.

Later on, 11:23-26, St.Paul teaches the Corinthians more about the Eucharistic mystery. It's around the year 57 AD only 27 years since the institution of the Holy Eucharist reminding the COrinthians of what they have been taught some years earlier (about 51AD). The words 'received" and "delivered" are used to indicate that the teaching is a part of Apostolic Tradition which goes back to the Lord Himself.

1Cor. 11: 23-26
"For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when He was betrayed took bread, 24 and when He had given thanks, He broke it, and said, "This is my BOdy which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is he new covenant in My blood, Do this as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes again."

if god knows when and Christ doesn't know when. then how can they be the same person.





will be resurrected thus they won't be dead. thus he will not be judging any dead.


Christ is the rock upon which the church is built not Paul.

as for the cross it was just a form of execution. where as today we would use the needle.

Lulu,
You must be one of Lucifers Catholic/Universalist congregation of hell and replacement,always wanting to replace the holy with the unholy,sometimes I wonder what brimstone a believer is smoking in their pipe for some of these goof ball replies I have heard for well over 30 yrs,,,,,

The Sabbath,the Feast days,the Torah and Commands,the covenant of circumcision given to Abraham all still stand,only Lucifer and his agents of sin seek to rewrite Yahwehs laws,just like you blotted out Yahwehs name and put in Lucifers name in its place,just like you blot out the name of Salvation for the name of a pig god..Lets get real people either we wake up and come back to REMEMBER or persish in ignorance.

Go ask your sold our preacher,minister,church daddy,and they will tell you the truth is not welcome at the puke pit only lies and deception just enough to make you fell good in your sins is a welcome type message...lol...ROLFMRAO....I find christians and mussies have very little true knowledge of the system of death they hang on to...
Pastor Terry
A Disciple of Yahshua the Son of Yahweh the living Almighty Mighty One

True, so true! I get the finer detail!

Yap yap yap!

Jeremiah3131 posts:

I am Catholic, and I find your condemnation quite vitriolic and way off the mark. It certainly is no way to conduct a serious discussion over differences between religious beliefs. My replies may be goof ball in your estimation, however, you haven't refuted any one of them in a serious or adequate manner therefore, I can't anything you say seriously.



This is the final straw. Calling our Lord God Lucifer is blasphemous and irrational for someone who signs out as "Pastor Terry". It strips this dialogue of its usefulness. I shall not respond to any of your rants after this.

Well Lulu it is,Truth hurts don't it,I grew as a follower of Martin Luther til I found alot of his teachings like the Vatican were B.S.
I get asked alot because I keep the Covenant am I a Adventist,nope,I follow the Master of Salvations decrees which are right and holy,unlike the christian system and their fake god,the one if many would research would find out alot of the falseness of the Universal religon.

See I got my masters in both History and Church history,for religon and goverment have been pretty entertwined since Babel,sigh....So many by into the lies daily and find out after a short time they are not comfortable in that demonation and they move on..How many bow before the Poop and call him Father,only One is our Father and it sure is not a Poop,but the Living Almighty Mighty One,so sad how many will bow to Lucifers minions but never bow the knee to the King of Righteousness,so sad..

Lulu my advice to you before it is to late is run and run as fast as you can from the Whore which started the decline and embondagement of the people to a mans religon instead of Covenant Living..
Pastor Terry

The verse in which we are discussing is St.Matt. 24:.36

"But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of Heaven, but the Father alone."

The question that this text presents to us is not easy. There is no simple one in which matters hard to understand are treated as adequate to the truth of GOd. There are enigmas and mysteries which remain unsoluble to us.


Jesus knew of His death and Resurrection by the Father. He knows that His death will not end His messianic call, but bring it to fulfillment. Did He Himself expect that the renewal of all things
would take place soon after His own glorification--that not only would the Gospel be spread all over the world, but that the world itself would soon be ready for a the sickle like a ripe harvest?

He is the Son, but He is now the Son in the human form of a servant. His human knowledge at this time was limited. Here, He has emptied Himself and become like man, fully human in every way except sin.

Every revelation about the end of the world is clothed in mystery. Jesus, being God, knows every detail in the plan of salvation, but He refrains from revealing the date of the Last Judgment. Why? To ensure that His Apostles and disciples stay on the alert, and to underline the transcendence of this mysterious design of GOd's plan.

This phrase is a bit like the one Jesus spoke to Zebedee: "to sit at my right hand and at my left hand is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared by my Father." St.Matt.20:23.

Here, it's not because He doesn't know the details, but becasue it is not for Him to reveal them.

A side note on this: Since the establishment of Israel in 1948, there have been hundreds of books written which have predicted the date of Christ's return or the reign of the ANtichrist.

Ever since 1517, Pope Leo X mandated that Catholics are forbidden under the pain of excommunication to date setting speculation. Those who have in the past have obviously lied and this false teaching causes great distress.

In Acts 1:7, Christ said, "It is not for you to know the times or the moments which the Father has put in His own power."