trying to educate me on what that there are two laws of moses. there are probable as many laws of moses as there are factions in the jews faith. which christianity is one of.

And what day do they observe Sabbath?

You're right MM, there are some that are exception and I hold HIGH regard to them.



Did ya have dreams of going to Kyrgyzstan????

most on sunday, some on saturday, the jews on saturday. and christ said it didn't matter which day as long as it was the same day ever week. or something like that.

There is no 'TWO' laws of Moses. If you pay attention in the Torah there are actually 613 mitzvot (commandments). Among them are the 10 that you are referring to.

For your learning convenience I have a link: WWW Link

Please show me the scripture and verse where Jesus says this.

As a Christian who is a "for real" Christian, I feel I am less qualified to judge on this than you are. For the simple reason that, among Christians, EVERY group considers itself the only "for real" Christians. While I am certain of my own standing, I am less certain of others. I don't know their hearts and can't judge. So I'll defer to you on that front.

BUT, the issue was about Christians persecuting Jews. If the majority of Christians persecuted Jews, the Holocaust never would have ended. Even in the darkest hours of Nazi Germany, the "Confessing Church" was hard at work trying to fight against Hitler's actions. For their service, loyal members such as Deitrich Bonhoeffer were hunted down and placed concentration camps. Bonhoeffer was executed on special order of the Fuhrer less than a month prior to the fall of Berlin.

Baptist parents teach their children that the US must remain a friend to Israel because God's promise to Israel has not fully been fulfilled. Baptists are hardly a rarity. Many other churches (including Calvary Chapel and several Pentecostal churches) have taken similar positions.

As to the Catholics, while I am unaware of the Vatican's current standing, i know many Catholics who are not the Jew haters of the past. Most Christians, in my experience, do not persecute Jews.



No. Christ did not. PAUL talked about man esteeming one day over another.

Sunday is NOT the Sabbath. Christians have no authority to make such a change. Sunday was observed for worship because 1) many early Christians worshipped in synagogue on the Sabbath; and 2) it is traditionally the day of Jesus' resurrection.

The reason many Christians do not observe the Sabbath any more is because they believe we were liberated from observance of the Sabbath, not because the day was changed. If the day of Sabbath can change, then God can change, and every individual's salvation is resultingly suspect.

YOU were one of those I mentioned that fall in the "live as Jesus does" catagory Gid. You are a good man, {although a bit touchy, but hey who am I to cast stones over being touchy about some things?}

what part of "wasting your time trying to educate danielost" did you not understand?

By what you described Gid I would agree. Most Christians do not go out and kill or support the oppression of Jews. But to me persecution isn't just about physical abuse. I have been in many Christian churches and they speak anti-semitic remarks not even knowing what they are saying. This is where I lean more to 'most.'

AD my friend, while I am deeply honored at your unrelenting wanting me to be there at your wedding, it is just not to be, now please stop with the JEWISH GUILT. it's killing me that I cannot {not to be confused with will not} attend.

Ok, I'll leave it be. Just wouldn't want you think I didn't want ya there. Besides it's the Jewish way to let you know you are loved (at least that's what the Jewish mothers say).


Hmmm, maybe I'll be ambitious and put up an article and pictures for JU to see?

What I find amazing is christians who do not actually know the scriptures but prefess ignorance as truth because thats what they were taught Lucifers lies and deceptions. People can fight over religon all they want but in the end it is the people who have found the truth of covenant and are returning to that covenant are going to win while everyone else is fighting. The Covenant is given and eternally given to a People who want to quit their pagan ways for holy ways,this covenant is know as the covenant of Israel that is restored through the resurrection.

Last of all quit misquoting Paul and actually read what he wrote for what he wrote is found in the Tanach or the christian o.t.,for the verse about sabbaths,foods,new moons,feast days was to a community of believers who were living torah about not letting the pagans judge them out of what is holy and right,well 1682 yrs of fight Lucifer and his pagan followers have won the battle but not the war. For more and more are finding the truth of Pauls letters and are leaving their churches for home churches and messianic syngogues,why because people are tired of Lucifer and his prince Iesus,the name Jezus has been in use for 281 yrs now.

Want truth go read and I mean read,study,and do comparison studies and you will see the lie the christian system has put on the people 1682 yrs ago.
Pastor Terry
Truth and Knowledge Messianic Ministries

P.S. Yes I am a true name fanatic,why? Because I know who I am worshipping thats why.

Very cool, I will check these out, I appreciate the paths for more knowledge.

MM

please you who so much smarter than me. when god rested on the 7th day. where does it say it was on Saturday or Sunday or Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday or Friday, or whatever your name for those days.

please oh smarter than me tell me where it says that in genesis.

if man changes the day that we worship god and it happens every 7th day as per the law. tell me why does god care.


also well we are on the subject. do jewish nurses and doctors and firemen and police officers take the sabbath off no matter what.

In his article MM writes:



Hi MM,

I'm late getting into this discussion and haven't thoroughly read all the comments, so I hope I'm not boring everyone by repeating.

I've done what I can to get more information on this AP story and haven't come up with much.

You and I have talked about similiar topics before on one of your other blogs. You should know by now that I deplore anti-Semitism whether it's coming from Catholics or anyone for that matter. Anti-Semitism is a form of hatred.

I don't see this situation, as I read it from the links, as anti-Semitic. Is suggesting that Jews are greedy really anti-Semitic language or just an insensitive case of name-calling?

Are some Jews greedy? I’m sure we can all agree that yes, there are greedy Jews in this world. Are all Jews greedy? No, of course not.

I find some of the comments made in the link as well as yours jumping the gun well beyond the scope. What I mean by that is according to the links Fr. Rydzyk is allegedly accused of "suggesting that Jews are greedy". Here you bump that up to Fr. Rydzyk “perpetuating the fallacy that ALL Jews are greedy. Please MM, is it the truth that some Jews are greedy or not? And is saying so anti-Semitic? I think not.

So why make the leap from the Jews are greedy to ALL Jews are greedy? And why jump from that to saying that this shows in their heart they (Christians-Catholics) still blame the Jews for killing Jesus?

You've done well if it was just to get another rather vibrant discussion going.

what day of the week do priests rest on

what did god do on his day off. stay in bed with the covers over his head. or did he buy icecream for his at least 7 billion kids.

MM writes:





Concerning who was guilty of our Lord's sufferings and death. Neither the malice of the chief priests by their false accusations, nor the weak compliance of Pilate could have caused Our Lord's death had not God willed that His Incarnate Son was to die to redeem us from sin and eternal punishment. It's all our sins, MM, that bear the real burden and guilt of Christ's sufferings and death. It's our sins that cry out, "Crucify Him". By our sins we nailed Him to the Cross.

our sufferings.



the fall of Adam


forgiveness


the resurrection

The Standards we go by is the House of Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob as to the Sabbath,because these people have kept the same Sabbath as they have for better then 5,000 yrs. so by now they should be authoritive on what we believe,follow,and live by as in regards to the Kingdom.
Yahshua himself showed us the Sabbath and kept the Sabbath as Torah entended us to keep Sabbath.

So my question is this do you believe what RABBI Yahshua had to say on the final matter or your pastor of hell?
Pastor Terry
Truth and Knowledge Messianic Ministries

You know I was just thinking we need to pause for a minute and reflect on our Messiah and His Apostles and Prophets who have time and time spoke the words of returning to Yahwehs Torah and ask for forgiveness of being a criminal against the Kingdom.

Lucifer and his Prince Iesus preach rebellion,disobedience,and worship of self,think on all the words you all have just posted for I see alot in the writings so far who is seeing Lucifer behind religon and those who embrace hisPrince of Iniquity..
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Master, Master, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Master, Master, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock:

You that work outside of Torah depart from me,do you all really want to get caught playing with Lucifer and his lawless bunch?
Pastor Terry

not argueing against any of this.

just wanting someone to show me which day god rested on. besides the 7th day.

because i am being accused of trying to change god.

The 7th day has never changed even when they added 15 days to the calendar when they placed Pope Gregorians calendar as the calendar we follow,notice how the Authority which gave us christianity used the names of pagan gods throughout the calendar,but they never changed the 7th day.....Sunday/1st day-Fri/6th day has been the same since time.
Pastor Terry