Concerning the Sabbath:

Considerable confusion still exists regarding the sabbath-day.

It's often due to failure to realize that when God said: "Remember the sabbath-day, to keep it holy" Exodus 20, He did not say to keep Saturday holy.

Sabbath, Shabbath in Hebrew, means rest, while Yom ha-Shabbath means day of rest, and not Saturday, hence Sabbath is not a specific day be it the seventh or the first.

In both Ex.20 and Deuteronomy 5, God says: "Six days shalt thou labor, and do all they work: but the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God." The phraseology does not fix the 6 days that shall be days of labor, and the definite article (THE seventh day) merely implies that any day following the six successive days that the Jews select as their 7th day was satisfactory to God.

The Jewish days were numbered, the only one named as well as numbered was the sabbath-day. The names Sun-day, Moon-day and Saturn-day (Saturday), unknown for a thousand years after the Jews began to keep the sabbath holy, were of Egyptian astrologic origin, which rose from the practice of naming each day by the planet that was supposed to rule the first hour of the 24 hour day.

There is no universal cosmic, 7th day, so the selection of a 7th day, a sabbath day, is an arbitrary act on the part of man. Some Greeks selected Monday, Persians Tuesday, Assyrians Wednesday, Egyptians Thursday, Muslims Friday, Jews Friday at sunset to Saturday sunset, and Christians Sunday, though only the Jews and Christians had Divine sanction for their selection.

Can I ask a question?

Have any of you paid attention in history class and christian class?
Pastor Terry

The Jews is the key verse;
Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what is the profit of circumcision?

2 Much every way: first of all, that they were intrusted with the oracles of Elohim.

3 For what if some were without faith? shall their want of faith make of none effect the faithfulness of Elohim?

4 Elohim forbid: yea, let Elohim be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.

5 But if our righteousness commendeth the righteousness of Yahweh, what shall we say? Is Elohim unrighteous who visiteth with wrath? (I speak after the manner of men.)

6 Elohim forbid: for then how shall Elohim judge the world?

7 But if the truth of Elohim through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?

8 and why not (as we are slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say), Let us do evil, that good may come? whose condemnation is just.

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we before laid to the charge both of Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin;

10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one;

11 There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after Elohim;

12 They have all turned aside, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not, so much as one:

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; With their tongues they have used deceit: The poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood;

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways;

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of Yahweh before their eyes.

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of Elohim:

20 because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin.

21 But now apart from the law a righteousness of Yahweh hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 even the righteousness of Yahweh through faith in Yahshua Ha Mashiyach unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction;

23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of Elohim;

24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Mashiyach Yahshua:

25 whom Elohim set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of Elohim;

26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Yahshua.

27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith.

28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

29 Or is Elohim the Elohim of Jews only? is he not the Elohim of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also:

30 if so be that Elohim is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

31 Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? Elohim forbid: nay, we establish the law.

alot of christians tear this chapter out of their christian bibles for it is offensive that we are to go learn from the jews but not follow their talmud/decrees of man.
Please go study before it is to late,for in the end your Testimony better be a good one.
Pastor Terry

Do you know when the Sabbath was instituted, danielost? It wasn't with Adam, it was with Moses. And by that time, a pretty sophisticated calendar had been devised. So I'm pretty sure of its accuracy.

But from here on out, I'll follow MM's advice (and lead) and let you wallow in your own ignorance. You seem quite happy there!

This is why the Christian system of Lucifer is more powerful on earth then the people who follow the Covenant of the Set Aside People,for ignorance breeds more ignorance..

So who wants to learn about overcoming heathenism/christianity?
Pastor Terry

Daniellost posts:


That the term sabbath does not relate exclusively to the 7th day of a week, Saturday, is evident in the Pentateuch, in which many other sabbaths are enjoined besides the one that was selected by the Jews to follow after 6 days of labor. There is the Sabbatical and Jubilee year for example.

To properly understand the question of the sabbath one must realize first of all that Sunday is no less a 7th day, in the religious sense than Saturday, though the calendar we use which originated many centuries after the Jews selected their 7th day, lists it as the first day of the week.

Any day that follows 6 days of work, may be observed as a sabbath, a rest day, though the particular 7th day of the Jews had to be selected by Jewish authority was necessary to supercede it with another 7th day, the Lord's Day.

The 7th day of rest is not of Sinaitic origin. Ages before there were any Jews, before there was any such thing as a calendar, "God blessed the seventh day"...His rest day Genesis 2:3.

The Hebrews worshipped the one true God on a sabbath day from the days of Abraham until Moses brought them the Commandments on tablets of stone, a period of 400 years, without having a prescribed sabbath day. The Jewish encyclopedia giving Rashi, Maimondies and the Talmud as its authorities, says,"Tradition assumes that the sabbath law had been proclaimed at MOrah, before the Sinaitic revelation.

The Commandment, "Remember to keep the sabbath day holy" was not changed or abrogated and never rightly can be, for it is one of GOd's eternal and therefore unchangeable commandments.

What Christians did was to change the reckoning of the 7th day; to select a day to supercede the particular CEREMONIAL 7th day of the Jews, which was an exclusively Jewish sabbath day: " a sign between ME (God) and you (Moses) throughout your generations". Ex. 31:13.

The Jews has a Divine authoritive right to intepret God's Commandments and to designate the time and character of their ceremonies called for in the Pentateuch, when they were not specifically outlined therein.

IN a word, they spoke with authority, but that was in the days when they had the Aaronic priesthood, a sacrifice, a Temple, and a Sanhedrin (high court). Those were the days when the Messias was to come and thus to fulfill their Divine mission.

That day came, when Jesus Christ, the Messias was born; when He instituted a Church to take the place of the Synagogue; when He instituted a new priesthood and a new sacrifice such as was foretold in the OT. It was then, after the Church began to function in the Cenacle, that the ceremonial law of the Jews including their 7th day ceased to be binding, the final authoritative end to Jewish ceremonials being proclaimed at the Council of Jerusalem.

The end of the Jewish sabbath was foretold by Osee, the prophet of the kingdom of Isreal when he said, "ANd I (God) will cause all her (Israel) mirth to cease, her solemnities, her new moons, her sabbaths, and all her festival times." 2:2.

THat is why the Chruch Father Justin Martyr would say in the 2nd century, that the Jewish Sabbath "was not in force before Moses, so it is no longer needed after the coming of CHrist."

With an end of the mission of biblical Judaism, came a change, not in the Commandment, Remember, to keep the sabbath-day holy", but in the ceremonial day, by the selection of Sunday, to supercede the Saturday sabbath of the Jews, which was selected by the Jews for the Jews only. What the Sabbath was to the Jews, while they were a "kingdom of priests, a holy nation" Ex.19:6, the sabbath of the New Dispensation (Covenant) is to the Christians, since they became the "chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation." 1St.Peter 2:9.

The Christian sabbath superceded the Jewish sabbath; it was not a continuation of it. While both sabbaths paid honor to the same God, they were prompted by different motives.

The Jewish sabbath was in remembrance of God having rested on the 7th day after His completion of the material universe, also in memory of the deliverance of the Jews from Egyptian bondage.

The CHristian sabbath was instituted in remembrance of the Resurrection of Jesus, the Messias from the dead, the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles at the first Pentecost, which marked the beginning of CHrist's kingdom on earth, His Church. Also as a memorial of man's freedom from the bondage of Original Sin, through the reparation made by Christ for the sin of Adam and Eve, our first parents.

Hey Pastor Terry:

You're quite an ass. Every post you've made here as dripped with condescension.

I wouldn't turn to your officious advice for anything.

Why thank you,those words mean alot to me,for when truth comes out I have many others like you who come along and say hey lets go follow Lucifer and if anyone says no they are a pompous ass who is no fun...You can either follow the scriptures in truth or perish in ignorance your choice for your sun worshippingLucifer following Pastor is not going to tell you the truth.

Lulu,quit with replacment theology it has failed and has been trashed,for their is no replacing the Covenant given to People Israel,who ever makes claims like this are in danger,go read Romans 3,Ephesians 2 and John 5,there is no replacment,just a regiving of the original.
Pastor Terry

As to the point of the original article, I think the fact that the Pope called this priest onto the carpet (and I feel pretty certain that's what most likely happened as the Pope doesn't summon priests to him on a whim) is a pretty good example of the Catholic church's official opinion on this matter.

It's unacceptable. Period. Christianity is a direct descendent of Judaism and the two are very closely related, enough so as they could be considered to be different sects of the same core religion. The anti-Semite attitude is very unChristian to say the least.

Since this has turned into Christian vrs Christian and what I know about Christianity is almost nil, I shall remain silent on the subject, but I am here reading and following with intense attention as it seems that even among yourselves {Christians} there is a huge divide.

That's why there are so many denominations. Too many interpretations, ideas, and egos.

The only roots christianity shares with judism is the Book of knowledge and thats it,for christianity is a religon that enticed Israel so long ago to go worship other elohyms instead of the Living Almighty Mighty One. Christianity shares more with Mythra then Judism,Judism fell into a routine of letting someone tell you how to live instead of how you should live.

In the end if you stand upon the sand you will be washed away,if you stand upon the Rock you will be safe,for this Rock has been with us since the beginning.
Please go study and learn,for the Followers of the Way have been doing battle with Lucifers religous system since Messiah was teaching the disciples and apostles.
Pastor Terry

it is no leap from "Jews are Greedy" to" all Jews are greedy", it's just semantics, they both have the same meaning. My other leap was one from anger, from personal experiences.

this is why I said what I said

Which shows you indeed, Great Minds be they Christian minds or Jewish ones think alike.

I have said it before and will now say it again, although I am sure no one pays this any attention, they just think it is some old crazy Jew rambling on.

Satan's greatest trick was to make religion because it divides everyone from each other.

I have said it before and will now say it again, although I am sure no one pays this any attention, they just think it is some old crazy Jew rambling on.

Satan's greatest trick was to make religion because it divides everyone from each other.


Thats what I have been saying since I joined,religon is of man,the Way is of Yahweh as restored to us by His Son our Master and Savour Yahshua is the Way of life...

If christians speant asmuch time studying as they do arguing they would run from their church like lemmings turning away from the cliff.
Pastor Terry

That I would like to see, If such a thing as the rapture happened, I would like to see the look on so many faces that were left behind, that were so sure they were following the way of G-d.

I second that

christ did say that where three or more meet in his name he would be there.



one of the reasons that i say that the Catholic church is not Christian.

the leadership of the Catholic church is the old roman empire government.

Jeriamiah3131 posts:


Hello Pastor Terry, welcome to the discussion.

Calling what I have written concerning the sabbath day "replacement theology" has no meaning to me. What specifically have I written that's failed or been trashed? Who has "failed" it and who has "trashed" it?

The beginning of the New Covenant in the Blood of the Savior meant the end of the OLd Covenant (biblical Judaism). At the moment of the Crucifixation, when the Temple veil was rent from top to bottom, God was making it known that the ceremonies of the Old Covenant were to be abolished by Christ, and also that Heaven should be open to all. The Sacrifice of Jesus had superceded the Old Covenant ceremonies (not the Ten Commandments).

Biblical Judaism ended with the God's judgment (the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple) in 70AD. The Israelites exclusive power to share God with the nations was gone forever with the destruction of the Temple. Isaias 2:2-5, 56.

Rather, the Old Covenant has been fulfilled (completed) in Christ who then established the New and Everlasting Covenant in His blood. The New Covenant is everlasting because it will last until Our Lord comes again in glory.

ICorinthians 11: 23-26 "For I have received of the Lord which Also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which He was betrayed, took bread, 24 and giving thanks, broke, and said: 'Take ye and eat: this is My body, which shall be delivered for you; do this for the commemoration of Me.' 25 In like manner also the chalice, after He had supped, saying: 'This chalice is the New Testament in My Blood: do this ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of Me. 26 For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall show the death of the LOrd, until He come in glory."




Pastor, if 1Cor. 11: 23-26 is what you mean by just a regiving of the original, then we have no disagreement. What say you?

MM posts:

Satan is responsible only for false (man-made) religions of which biblical Judaism and Christianity aren't. Both are the only two religions revealed by God through written Revelation (Sacred Scripture) and oral Revelation (Apostolic Tradition).

All the rest come up short, some shorter than others.

Lulu,
what i said had nothing to do with the Sabbath,what i said had to do with the covenant,the one Jeremiah and Ezekiel chatted about to believers in their day,
So lets refresh;
Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith Yahweh, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Yahweh.

33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Yahweh: I will put my torah in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their Elohim, and they shall be my people:

34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Yahweh; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Yahweh: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

Yahshua came to restore the Marriage Covenant with the House of Judah and the House of Israel,the Luciferian system says that Iesus the son of Lucifer came to give a covenant unto a church,is your church going to save your sorry hide from your sins?
Pastor Terry

no only christ

Daniellost posts:

Ever hear of the principle that what is freely asserted can be freely denied?

I respectfully reject your opinion Daniellost.

Catholics are not and never were of the designation Catholic to the exclusion of CHristian. Christian is my name, Catholic is my surname. Do you know that the distinction between Christian and Catholic and Christianity and Catholicity as it exists in many minds today was virtually unknown prior to the advent of Protestantism 500 years ago.

There's been much chatter here about the division amongst Christians...and there is no denying this is true. There aren't hundreds upon hundreds of sects and denominations out there for no reason. They've divided and diluted Christianity.

I know the one, holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church tells the world that their Christ is not divided for her doctrinal definiteness in religious principles and morals are the very same that Our Lord taught and passed on to His Apostles and their successors. Christianity in its fullness is Catholicism.

Remember Shakespeare's query, "What's in a name?" The answer in religion is the difference between confusion and order. Nowadays, the word "Christian" is used in vague and loose ways. There are those "Christians" who deny the Divinity of CHrist, Sacred Scripture as the Word of God, Original Sin, the necessity of Baptism, the indissolubility of the marriage bond, and who advocate all kinds of religious absurdities.