"insofar as it is translated correctly", danielost...a condition the church places on NO other of its scriptures. I do remember SOME of the Articles of Faith!

i will tell you why the lds church is true.

all Christian Church's teach that we more or less popped into existence when we are conceived or born.

the lds teach that there was a pre-existence. meaning that we existed before this life, everybody including Christ and Satan.

i know the lds version is correct. how do i know this you ask.


the day i was born. i had a thought. yes i remember my first thought on the day i was born.

and that thought was (so this is life!!!!). i also remember the shadows of the hospital staff moving around.

now this doesn't mean i wasn't alive inside my mom. it just means i became aware afterwords.


so now this is where everybody calls me crazy or something.

it is ok my mom didn't believe me either. she thought it might have been six months later.

in either case, i broke the rules, you are not supposed to remember anything about before even that it was there.

yes how many people translated the dead sea scrolls into english.

how many languages did it take to get it to english.

and who did the work. i believe you will find that it was catholic monks that did that work.


translate the word you into spanish for me.

Alot of people have a KJ Bible but most do not use it for more then decoration,alot of people believe their Prophet in the case of the LDS and the Clergy of Rome for truth..Oh o someone is going to say he peeked...See the leadership of the LDS resides upon the prophet who is trained to carry on..So what kind of Macaroni does the LDS follow....All one has to do is go to Salt Lake City Utah and look for themselves..
Pastor Terry

That's not the point, danielost. The point is, you claim to believe in the KJV Bible, but it is a belief that even the Articles of Faith put a condition on. In every case where I have argued a point from a KJV Bible successfully against a Mormon, they will claim it is a mistranslation of the KJV. Isn't that a rather convenient out, when you think of it?

sorry gid i thought i was still talking to jeriamah not you i forgot to read the name.

then tell me Jeremiah

if salt lake city is so important.

why would the church leadership say that it will be destroyed.

and of all cities las Vegas will survive.

nothing run by man is perfect.

every Mormon that goes to church uses their bible and the book of Mormon and the d and c and pearl of great price. but mostly the bible every Sunday.

again gid i ask you to translate the word you for me into spanish.

meow

Yes, LW it is a conspiracy here. See MM, is secretly bribing us to keep this forum going so that he can get another 300+ article. This all started after the comment for 100 replies.

Sorry, MM cat is out of the bag. Muhahahahahahaha!

On a side Note:

LW, how are things coming along with Simon's paperwork?

Oh, I got your point, daniel, and it is actually a valid one. Multiple translations, depending on the context.

HOWEVER, one of the inconsistencies I have found with the LDS church is that they claim the Bible can't be translated perfectly and without flaw, yet the Book of Mormon CAN.

the bible was translated at least twice without gods help.

i am not saying that these people did anything wrong on purpose.

the book of morman was translated once with gods help.

and i can't say that joseph smith didn't make any mistakes. since he is/was human.

"See MM, is secretly bribing us to keep this forum going so that he can get another 300+ article. This all started after the comment for 100 replies."

Pretty greedy of him, eh?

you have so much knowledghe to add to almost any article whip, why not just add to this one instead of yip yip bark bark stuff?

who wants to get this feed to 300

ok come on someone tell me who wants this feed to get to 300

Adventure Dude posts #253

Yes, of course, both Sts. Peter and Paul were still Jews after their conversion, that is, ethnically speaking. What must be recognized is that they accepted Christ as the Messias, and later were both baptized. They were the first budding-forth of the New Israel.

Read Acts 3 which describes the Apostles' work in Jerusalem. It begins describing St.Peter's address (teaching) in the Temple. He uses terms and quotes from Scripture which Jews can readily understand in the messianic sense. Some Jews accept and some reject more influenced by their priests.

Those who were familiar with the the Scriptures should have recognized Christ as the Messiah. Many Jews didn't and haven't.

Even so, StPaul reminds us that the Jews are very dear to the Lord God and that has not changed with the CC today.

Acts 2:44 and on describes the early days of the fledgling Church where the Temple was still a center of Christian liturgy and prayer for although Christianity involves obvious differences from biblical Judaism they realized that Christ's message was an extension Judaism and for a while (until 70AD) they maintained certain external aspects of the religion of their forefathers.

At the same time, the Temple wasn't the only place in Jerusalem where Christians met for prayer and worship. The reference to the breaking of the bread in their homes V. 46, only tells us that the Christian communities founded by St.Paul and others, did not yet have their own buildings specially reserved for these functions. This was primarily financial as well as the fact that in those days, Christians were still persecuted and it was not until the 200's that buildings designed solely for liturgical purposes were built.

"The reference to the breaking of the bread in their homes V. 46, only tells us that the Christian communities founded by St.Paul and others, did not yet have their own buildings specially reserved for these functions. "

"They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,"

Huh. Could've sworn that meant we should fellowship by breaking bread with other believers and eating together, no matter where we are...

the jewish leadership knew who he was.

sure why not

So what you are saying is that EVERY WORD in the Book of Mormon is EXACTLY the same as it was when Joseph Smith wrote it, danielost? What if someone can prove otherwise?

The BoM from the 1950's is not even the same as today's, danielost. I have SEEN the difference in texts with my own eyes.

The Bible has literally THOUSANDS of supporting texts...documents we can see and touch with our own hands. The BoM, on the other hand is based on plates that no living person has seen.

I refuse to label Mormonism a cult, danielost, I refuse to say definitively that Mormonism is wrong. I WILL say, however, I have many questions through extensive research that have never been answered to my satisfaction. And until/unless they are, I cannot and will not testify to the validity of the Mormon faith.

then ask.


who do you think the aztics thought cortez was. a norse man.

but couldn't that also be said of the New testament too? the KJ edition is the most widely read I believe {correct me if I am wrong} it was edited to please the king, some books were thrown out completely right?

Lula posts:


Acts chapter 2 starts with Pentecost that was held 50 days after the Passover, that is after 7 weeks had passed. The material harvest which the Jews celebrated so joyously became through the Lord God's providence, the symbol of a spiritual harvest the Apostles--- after the Holy Spirit by tongues of fire, descended upon them--- began to reap on this day.

Pentecost certainly had a lasting value even unto today. Fifty days after Christ celebrated the Last Supper in which He "broke the bread" and told them "Do this in commemmoration of Me", the Apostles gathered together in the same Cenacle as had been used for the first Eucharist. The power from the Holy Spirit enlightened their minds and strengthened them and they began to act, that is, perform their roles. Thus is the birth and going forth of the Apostolic Infant Church.

Go back to v. 37 on and you'll see how the context of "the breaking of the bread" follows St.Peter's sermon and those who received the Gospel, v. 41, "So those who received his word were baptised, and there were added that day about 3,000 souls. 42 And they devoted themselves to the Apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers."

This is followed by v. 43-47 which contains the passage that I initially cited. These verses describe the key elements of the ascetical and liturgical-sacramental life of the first Christians after Pentecost extending beyond the Cenacle.

The fellowship in this instance is that union of hearts brought about by the Holy Spirit. Their was a profound solidarity amongst the disciples resulting from the practice of the faith appreciating the gift of God the Father through Jesus Christ. The mutual affection enabled them to be detached from material things and to give up their possessions to help those in need.

The "breaking of the bread" refers to the BLessed Eucharist and is not just an ordinary meal. This is the special way the early Christians distributed the Sacrament containing the Lord's Body and following His command. St.John 6:25-58.