"The "breaking of the bread" refers to the BLessed Eucharist and is not just an ordinary meal."

Are you sure? How do you know?

don't remember about the new testiment but the old testiment does refer to books not in the bible now.

Most excellent point. Ever since the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947-48, we have sufficient proof. Yes, there are no original manuscripts of the Old or New Testament, yet many ancient transcriptions have survived. The very earliest translation was the Septuagint (begun in 250-100BC). Christ and the Apostles used both the Septuagint and the Hebrew Palestinian Canon. Later, St.Jerome faithfully and meticulously translated those into the Vulgate in 383 AD. We therefore, have faithful translations that have been crossed checked many times over for accuracy. These faithful tranlations are substantially correct insofar as it does not differ from the originals in such a way as to lead to any doctrinal error.



I tend to agree. There are various things added to the KJVersion and many mistranslations can be found. Protestant BIbles omit 7 Books of the Old Testament which are contained in Catholic versions. They are Tobais, Judith, Wisdom, Ecclesiasticus, the 2 books of Machabees and various sections of other books.

Carefully read St.John 6:25-58. It boils down basically whether you believe Christ was talking in symbolism or said what He meant and meant what He said.

Read the verses after that and you will see that some of the Jews believed and some found what He said "too hard" to believe and left.

They were ethnically and by their actions they still lived as Jews (adhering to Torah) as I just showed you. Peter's vision was LONG after Jesus' resurrection and he says he still ate Kosher. Lula, How many Catholics eat Kosher? Especially on Easter and Christmas (Ham comes to mind here).

Also Lula, You haven't answered my question about whether YOU keep Torah?

If he was not being symbolic, you would be able to live on the Holy Eucharist alone, and would be expected to do so, don't you think?

You missed my point, MM. The point is that EVERY book of the Bible that we have (and some that we don't) has ancient texts to support its authenticity. The BoM does not.

As to the books that are considered canon and those that are not, that is another debate entirely. A valid one, but another debate entirely.

Catholics eat fish in regards to Barracus,Christians do the piggy thing on Ishtar,and piggy most times on the mass of christ in regards to Iesus their god.
Like scripture says they worship not knowing what or who they are worshipping.


Breaking bread is what we all should be doing breaking bread and doing like we are now chatting about religons of man and how they loead to death.

Just like the meeting in homes did not replace the Syngogues,but the church did.

You cannot take a person who taught and kept the customs he taught and make something else out if without replacing the whole system and that is what religons of man do,they replace the holy with the unholy.

Lulu why you chasing a bone that is not there,daniel no wonder you do not go to services,your tired of the b.s. religons
Pastor Terry

so your saying that an 18 year old boy with little schooling. wrote a Scripture type book.


how about you writing just once chapter. with your honorary doctorate it should be real easy to do.

Jeremiah 31:31
"The time is coming," declares the LORD,
"when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah."

Hmm.

Sometimes I wonder if I need a name like Andretti, Unser, or ModerateMan to reach the 300 reply mark.

THIS is why I don't engage in these debates, danielost. Because, without exception, EVERY Mormon I have come across has acted defensive and threatened and made comments like this rather than answering my questions.

I will ask you the same question I asked my Bishop at 13 years old: why do they consider it acceptable for Joseph Smith to ask questions, when they don't consider it acceptable for me to do so? I didn't like his answer ("because Joseph Smith was a prophet and you're not!", which begs the question "how do YOU know?"), and I doubt I will like yours.

If you read the Hebrew it says;I will renew the covenant with the house of Israel and the House of Judah,Ezekiel 37;to make one house Israel,the covenant was divorced from Israel and restored through a Kinsman,go study,you do not need permission to do so.
But Yahshua said I did not come to add or subtract from the Torah and the Prophets but to not add or subtract so completing Torah by proper reading.

Last of all who is Israel and Judah,christianity is not Israel,Islam is not Israel,Mormonism,Jahovahs witness are not Israel,who is Israel and who is Judah?

Putting y'alls money where your mouths are,come on people wake up and read the Bible instead of pickin and a grinnin to hell through misunderstanding.
Pastor Terry

I just wondered what was so great about that verse that it made you take it as a handle.

Perhaps Jewish Catholics eat Kosher, I don't know...but what's your point? Over the years I've gotten to know many Jewish people, including some relatives, and none of them eat Kosher.

Catholics believe Christ is the Messias foretold in Sacred Scripture. In the Blood of Christ came the fulfillment of the OLd Covenant and marked the beginning of the New and Eternal Covenant.

The fulfillment of the promise the Lord God made to Abraham is seen in Christ who is Abraham's seed and thus whoever is incorporated into Christ, that is into His Mystical Body, which is the Church, by means of Baptism, inherits the promise God made to Abraham.

Read Galatians 3:16-27 and you will learn the fulfillment of the promise the Lord God made to Abraham is seen in Christ, who is Abraham's seed, not in the Law of Moses.

Do you think that the Lord GOd's Covenant people can include both those who accept Christ and those who reject Him?

you know i have heard this comment a lot too. but when i was growing up i was always encouraged to question the leaders church and state. this was in church.

your right these are not isreal. but part of isreal is christianity.




and by the way the answer to who is hebrew

the house of judah, the house of isreal, and the arabs.

Christianity has more to do with Mythra then it does with its supposed Judistic background,and the Arabs are not Hebrews. Messianics who walk covenant and those of Judah who recognize the Restorer and walking back in truth of Torah are Israel.
Ephesians 2;we are the buildings built off the foundation that has been laid since time long past.

Ever wonder why the universal church killed believers in Yahshua for over a thousand yrs? even the protestant churches partook in this...It was because one group lived according to scripture the other under authority of a tyrant.
Pastor Terry

abraham was hebrew. his children are hebrew.

guess what the arabs are his children.

A lot of Jews don’t eat Kosher as a result of Constantine and the Inquisition. Diet and Sabbath are two objective things that separated Jews from Catholics and they were persecuted as heretics as a result.

These Jews you are referring to are only Jews by blood not by practice. There is a significant difference.

My point here is that Catholicism does not promote eating Kosher. This is VERY clear in Lev 11 and throughout the prophets that it is important to G-D. If it wasn't important any more then why didn't Peter stop eating Kosher?

Acts 10:9 "Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:" Peter is seen here to be keeping the appointed times of prayer. Another piece of evidence that Peter was still practicing Judaism.

To say that the covenant made at Mt Sinai is done away with is false and Anti-Semitic. To say that the Jews are no longer the 'Chosen People' is not only false but again Anti-Semitic. To not observe Torah and to teach others to do so in the name of Christ is not only false but is Anti-Semitic.



This is the promise fulfilled through circumcision a Law that is in Torah which was written by Moses.



Absolutely, I do. You have defined what I see as two different types of Jews. Jews who practice and observe Torah but have not accepted Jesus as the Meshiach bin Yoseph (the servant Messiah). G-D purposefully put scales upon their eyes so that they can not see. Then there are the Jews who have accepted the Messiah. Messianic Jews still abide by Torah but are not left to weep because the Temple is destroyed. They have found salvation for their sins through the atoning of the Jewish and Torah observant Messiah’s blood as seen in Isaiah 53.

agreed






cannot agree with this one

by the way, there are other plausible explanations for that. You wouldn't like the answers, though.

The Arabs are of Esau,so guess what they are not Israelites,or Hebrews due to hardness of the heart,they are the divorced ones. See once again misunderstanding being taught as truth,I know you all are not dumb people what confuses me is the defense of a system of judgement and death over salvation and life,me I want to live,I want to serve Yahshua and his Father our Father Yahweh,I hope I can be a teacher in the Kingdom,for nothing brightens my day when someone understands and goes shouting to others about the light.

How hard is it to study christian history,I been at it since I can remember,grew up in it,heard the stories about Constantine and his councils which did away with that which the Apostles were afraid of doing changing Torah for a Roman one.
Pastor Terry
P.S.Yahshua told the young rich ruler he did well by keeping command but was lacking in one area,whats yours,mine is anger and I fight daily not to get angry I know I shouldn't thats why for yrs I was a loner,Yahweh put a special woman in my life that has helped me tremendously to be all I can be,she supports the Ministry and the changes in our lives and we will be celebrating 19 yrs of marriage,next

lets see he stole it from someone else.

i didn't say that they were israelites. isrealites are the children of isreal or jacob.

but the arabs are considered to be hebrew.