they were not kicked out because of the hardness of their heart. they were kicked out because of the jealousy of Sarah. she was afraid that Esau would try to take Isaacs heritage.

Esau was Jacobs twin,not Ishmeal..try again

to insist the jews are--or ever were--the chosen people in any but a figurative sense (based upon their own tribal legend; one no more provable than that of those japanese who determined their emperor--and themselves by extension--descended directly from the sun)ignores, excludes and denigrates all the other peoples of this world.

it's my understanding the various names used by stone-age groups when referring to themselves identify themselves as 'the human beings' as opposed to every other member of our species living at the time, all of whom were thus conveniently relegated to sub-human status. it's a short step from there to proclaim members of ones' extended tribal family chosen by god.

is it also bigoted and wrong to say the egyptians are no longer the chosen people of isis, osiris and horus?

meow

I am still here, still reading, and when I have something to contribute, I will.

this is a very very rare happening for me, I have only been here {300 plus} 3 times, and one of them was when I was in the hospital and colleen wrote an article saying so. the other one was a very controversial one called starve a liberal instead of Terry Shiavo, people were so polarized about that subject it just took off. MY personal benchmark for a good well received article is 100 I have been blessed to have hit that mark 19 times now. Am I a better writer than many here? hell no!!!! I am just a bit more in your face than others.

ModMan, Wow! 340 and counting! It's exciting to see this and be a part of it as well. What's the record on JU, do you know?

I think your success lies in the fact that you are able to pick good, yet controversial subjects...and those having to do with religion always seem to fit the bill.

You describe yourself as "in your face", yet I don't see that and I've read your other posts, just haven't commented. I think you are quite---well, "moderate".   By that I mean you seem to keep an even keel while sailing through hot topics.

Congratulations and keep up the good work.

I believe I have seen some with over a thousand replies.

as for me being moderate, well there are many here that would fight you to the death denying that I am moderate at all.

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You bring up some interesting points that bear further discussion.


With the exception of diet, (in that I eat pork, shelled seafood, etc.), I would say that I keep what Our Lord God wants me to keep of the Torah---by way of faithfully practicing Catholicism. I heed Mose's parting advice just before he died (Deut.3-34). Do you?

I try to obey the Ten Commandments (written upon my heart), repent and confess my sin if I fail. I haven't any piercings,cuttings or tatoos as per Leviticus 19:28.
I don't wear a yarmulke or a rabbinical prayer shawl, however, I do cover my head when I enter the Chruch sanctuary where the Tabernacle is kept and the lamp perpetually lit.

First, back to the Sabbath.

In both Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5, the Lord God says, "Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God."

As I've said before, the phraseology of the term "Sabbath" does not relate exclusively to the 7th day of a week, Saturday, is evident in the Pentateuch becasue many other sabbaths were enjoined beside the one that was selelcted by the early Israelites to follow after six days of labor.

I definitely follow the 3rd command of ALmighty God in that I do not do any servile labor on Sunday, the Lord's day as designated by the Apostles and given to me by Apostolic Tradition of the CC.

Furthermore, we have the prophecy of Osee, the prophet of the Kingdom of Israel, who foretold the end of the Jewish Sabbath, to go by as well. "ANd I (the Lord God) will cause all her (Israel's) mirth to cease, her solemnities, her new moons, her sabbaths, and all her festival times" 2:2. That's why Justin Marytr said that the Jewish Sabbath "was not in force before Moses, so it is no longer needed after the coming of Christ."

With the end of the commission of Judaism came a change, not with the Commandment, "Remember to keep the Sabbath-day holy", but in the ceremonial day, by the selection of Sunday to supercede the Saturday Sabbath of the Jews which was selected by the Jews for the Jews only.

The Christian Sabbath wasn't meant as the continuation of the Jewish Sabbath. Even though both sabbaths paid honor to the Lord GOd, there were prompted by different motives. The naturalism of the Jewish Sabbath in contrast with to the supernaturalism of the LOrd's Day of Christians is seen in the celebrations that usher them in.

The Jewish Sabbath is proclaimed with the Kiddush (sanctification). Wine and bread are blessed, one the symbol of joy, the other of plenty. After sipping the wine, the head of the house passes the wine to the participants of the meal that follows. The Lord's Day is celebrated in the Catholic CHruch "from the the rising of the sun unto the going down thereof" as it was celebrated by the Apostles and the early Christians in the catacombs, by the 'breaking of bread' later called the Holy Mass. The bread and wine, instead of being used as mere symbols of joy and plenty, are transsubstantiated, changed into the BOdy and Blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ.

It is offered to The Lord God as sacrifice and partaken of by the laity as the Sacrament of Christ's love. The Kiddush is a sabbatical service for the service for the spiritual man, to further his temporal existence, while the Holy Mass is a sacrificail service primarily to gain for man the eternal life Christ promised to those who partake of His BOdy and BLood. St.John 6.

The New Testament doesn't have the word, "SUnday", it has in it the equivalent, "The Lord's Day". While there is no positive announcement of a change of Sabbath-day, it does not lack evidence that the first Christians assembled on the first day of the week for their religious solemnities.

Acts 20:7 tells of the disciples coming together to "break bread", their most solemn ceremony on the first day of the week.
1Cor.16:1-2, tells specifically of a collection of alms on the first day of the week.
St.Jn.20:1, 14 and St.Luke 24:15, tell of Christ appearing to Mary Magdelan and St.Peter on the first day of the week.
St.Jn 20:26-29, tells of Christ appearing again on the first day of the week, when Thomas was present.
Acts 2:4, tells of the first day of the week, Pentecost day, around 33AD, when by the power of the Holy Spirit, Who descended upon the Apostles and other disciples, including the Blessed Mother Mary, 3000 Jews were brought to the Messias and His Church.

All through the Christian years, well before the days of Constantine, reaching back to the very Apostle's themselves, famous men, not all Christians, show by their writings that Sunday had superceded Saturday as the Sabbath day.

The Apostles to whom our Lord Jesus Christ gave the power to "bind" and "loose" met on the first day of the week, the Lord's Day to fulfill the requirements of the Third Commandment. They, who were the teaching body of the universal Church Christ established, the CC, exercised their infallible power of changing the seventh day sabbatical reckoning.

Sunday observances supplemented rather than supplanted Saturday observance of the Sabbath during the first days of the early Infant Church. This was due to nearly all the Christian converts were from biblical Judaism. Their inherited high regard for the ceremonies of the Old COvenant caused them to go so far as to hold , for a time, that the Gentile converts should be circumcised, insisting that they had to become Jews before they become Christians. It was the COuncil of Jerusalem 50AD, followed by the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, 70AD, which ended the priestly sacrificial services of the Jews, that caused the line of demarcation between the Jewish and Christian 7th day Sabbath which was blurred for a time, to be so clearly defined and universally accepted that it has hardly been questioned during the Christian ages (Christendom).

Colossians 2:16 sums up the lenghty answer to the Sabbath question. In it, Saint Paul warned the Colossians as he warns us today, to beware of the impostures who would withdraw them from Christ through a return to Jewish observances:

"Let no man judge you in meat and drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths."

Seriously, on over 1,000 replies?

Don't take me wrong, I'm not speaking of being 'moderate' in political terms. I meant 'moderate' as "even tempered" and open within reason to hearing all sides.

ADVENTURE DUDE POSTS:

You are absolutely correct, Catholicism does not promote eating Kosher.

Now, what's this you write about St.Peter? By saying this, it seems to me as that you have mis-interpreted it and therefoe missed the meaning. You are also wanting to read something into it that isn't there.

Remember, one of the Church's greatest saints is St.Paul, formerly known as Saul of Tarsus and a Pharisee, and he told the Colossians that there was no need to return to the Old Covenant Jewish ceremonial observances 2:16.


Acts 10: tells about the conversion of Cornelius a Gentile who worshipped the Lord God but was neither a Jew (not having been circumcised) nor a proselyte. Acts 10 is rich with meaning and goes to the very heart of the discussion.

Cornelius, a Roman centurian, a devout man, lived in Caesera Palestine. An angel appeared to him and told him to send 3 men who feared the Lord God to Joppa to meet with Simon Peter who would tell them what they must do.

St.Peter waiting for his mid-day meal went up to the house-top to pray and while rapt in intense prayer, he was shown a vision of heaven opened and the 4 corners of the the universe and there he saw all kinds of 4 footed animals, creeping things and birds. A voice from heaven said, "Kill and eat". Now, St.Peter knew the voice came from the Lord God and thought that He was putting him to a test to see whether he was faithful in the observance of the Mosaic Laws regarding eating unclean food. So St.Peter reacts like a good Jews who loves and observes divine Law he has learned from his youth, and says something like far be it from me to eat anything that is common or unclean (anything forbidden by the law)and remained greatly perplexed.

In order to remove all doubt from St.Peter's mind, the voice and vision happened 3 times saying, "that which God hath purified do not thou call common." "hath purified" means that Almighty God has purified all these things by the Blood of His Son.


While St.Peter was still perplexed what the vision signified, the Spirit of God told him that 3 men were coming and to doubt nothing for which He had sent them. It wasn't until the next day that he had set out for Caesarea with them and some of the disciples and met Cornelius who told of his vision and all that the angel had said, that St.Peter understood his own vision.


This vision at last signified to St. Peter that now he was to rise above 'legal' uncleanliness. All distinctions between clean and unclean food were removed under the New Covenant and likewise, the distinction between clean and unclean men, between Jew and Gentile, was to cease in the new kingdom of God.

After that, St.Peter announced the doctine of Jesus Christ to Cornelius and his family. V. 34-43 St.Peter said, "In every deed I perceive that God is not a respecter of persons (whether they be a descendant of Abraham or not). But in every nation he that feareth Him (and obeys the voice of his conscience), and worketh justice, is acceptable to Him. GOd sent the Word (the revelation of Christ), to the children of Israel, preaching peace by Christ (He is Lord of all)...And we are witnesses (what you know about Christ you know only by heresay, but we, the Apostles, know it by experience, having seen with our own eyes and heard with our ears all that occurred, Moreover, we are not only eye-witnesses, but we are official public witnesses, and sent by Christ to bear witness to the whole world.) .....To Him all the prophets give testimony, that by His Name all receive remission of sins who believe in Him."

Lulu you actually buy the load of @@@@ you are selling? Remember there are very learned Bible scholars here and what your a peddaling is what got the Follows of Yahshua killed when they rejected it.

Dietary is still for us,even Noah knew what he could eat and what he could not,Shem knew what he could eat and not eat,what part of remember do you not remember?

Also misquoting and taking verses out of context,shame,shame,also the Sabbath was never changed for if it was Yahshua would not have went right into the Temple after making this quote on the Sabbath about the Sabbath. Sun-day is the High Solarace of Lucifer,just like Easter and Mass of Christ/Horus/Tammauz/Lucifer all pagan and not holy. What you are saying is the unholy and profane is now holy and righteous,but Yahweh said I change not,so either the Almighty is a Liar or the who Christian System is a lie.
Pastor Terry

if you carry or use a cross you are no better than all those you have been accusing.

Who carries a cross? Why would I want to carry a talisman that belongs to Tammuaz?

Want to try Talmud next? I do not accept that manmade book either.

Hmmm lets see what can we get P.T. on since he does not eat unclean foods,keeps sabbath,keeps commandments,looks out for his brethern,believes Yahshua ben Joseph is the promised Kinsman Redeemer to restore what was lost back unto us who are lost,hey how about the feasts,wow he keeps those in rememberance also,past present,future,hmmmm what can we accuse him of now,keeping messiah on the cross like the christians do,well Messiah is Risen and is ascended at the Right hand of His Father Yah.

I do not worship Saints or Idols,I do not go to Mary to intercede for me because the church says she is the Mother of the Almighty,I go to Yahshua for he said to come to Him and Him alone to make intercession for us with the Father...

Well when you look at it lets attack Pastor Terry again on the degree thingy even though he repented maybe that will make us feel good again..

See people I have talked with many a preacher over 30+ yrs and every one of them defended the churches right to make changes to the Creators Rules and Regulations,I have had many call me a legalist,well I will follow Yahwehs rules and regulations so if that makes me a legalist so be it,would rather follow life then death,for I want to live to serve.

I know you do not know me but I wish you could walk alittle with me and you would have a better appreciation of life.
Pastor Terry

P.S.I am glad you feel accused,that should make you want to go reread the whole Bible from beginning to end and you will see no changes,just additions,you will see that the 613 was not all for a man to follow,you will learn Messiah made all of Torah personal...Go learn from the Master for the more you learn the more your preacher will tremble when he is ready to preach.
Pastor Terry

told you before Mormons don't have preachers. no one in the church is payed.

it is true that the leaders of the church are given positions in companies that the church owns. but no one is payed for what the do for the church.



all of the books are man made. as for all of the rules in the old testament only the 10 commandments come straight from god. ie he wrote them. all the rest of the rules were inspired at best.

Lula posts:



What was Mose's parting advice just before he died? Deuteronomy 18:15 tells us. "The Lord thy God will raise up a PROPHET of thy nation and of thy brethren like unto me: him thou shalt hear." Moses commanded his people "to hear" the Christ promised to Isreal.


In Moses' parting discourse, he reminded the Israelites of all the wonders which GOd had wrought on their behalf. He promised them that, if they were faithful to observing the Commandments of Almighty God, they should be blessed in their houses, fields, in the fruits of the lands, in their cattle, and blessed when they came in and went out. Then he warned them, that is he gave the choice of serving the Lord God or not, that if they did not heed the word of the Lord God and keep His Commandments, curses should come upon them and all they possessed.

Moses pointed to the New Covenant when he foretold that one day another prophet should come who also would institute a covenant. This prophet is Jesus Christ who was a prophet like unto Moses who instituted the New Covenant as Moses had the Old, and He foretold the future proclaiming Divine Law.

Can't you do better then this and I keep forgetting to mention prophet in regards to the LDS,when a Prophet retires or dies the next one in line takes his place after he passes a test.

So every ounce of the Bible is trash except the 10 commands and the B.O.M.?
Pastor Terry

9 When thou art come into the land which Yahweh thy Elohim giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.

10 There shall not be found with thee any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, one that useth divination, one that practiseth augury, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer,

11 or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

12 For whosoever doeth these things is an abomination unto Yahweh: and because of these abominations Yahweh thy Elohim doth drive them out from before thee.

13 Thou shalt be perfect with Yahweh thy Elohim.

14 For these nations, that thou shalt dispossess, hearken unto them that practise augury, and unto diviners; but as for thee, Yahweh thy Elohim hath not suffered thee so to do.

15 Yahweh thy Elohim will raise up unto thee a prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

16 according to all that thou desiredst of Yahweh thy Elohim in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of Yahweh my Elohim, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.

17 And Yahweh said unto me, They have well said that which they have spoken.

18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

20 But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other elohim, that same prophet shall die.

21 And if thou say in thy heart, How shall we know the word which Yahweh hath not spoken?

22 when a prophet speaketh in the name of Yahweh, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which Yahweh hath not spoken: the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Lets look at this in the proper perspective,if a prophet comes in the name of Yahweh and teaches counter to what is established do not fear him but walk away.
I tell you the System of sin has so many held in bondage for they do not want to give up the old you for the new you.
Let me ask are you the same person you were 20 yrs. ago?
Pastor Terry

So every ounce of the Bible is trash except the 10 commands and the B.O.M.?
Pastor Terry[/quote]

don't be stupid and put words in my mouth. the ten commandments were written by the finger of god.

and i didn't mention the bom at all.

Ok now there are several of my friends here that are Mormons, enough with any of anything demeaning the Book of Mormons or Mormons in General.

I will not allow my blog to turn into what I am bitching about in the first place, a theme of intolerance!

The evidence that the Jews had an Aaronic priesthood is found in the Book of Moses. Aaron and his sons formed the divine priesthood of the Old Covenant Law (Lev.28).

It was a priesthood "according to carnal commandment" said St.Paul (Heb.7:17) destined to give way to the "priesthood" according to the order of Melchisedec (Psalm 109; Heb.7), a priesthood without a genealogy restored in our Lord Jesus Christ.

With the consecration of Aaron by Moses, the tribe of Levi, to which Aaron belonged, was separated into 2 divisions--Kohanim (priests), who functioned at the Altar, and Levites (servitors) who assisted in the service of the tabernacle and Temple. The Kohanim functions were to enter the Holy of Holies once a year (Yom Kipper Day) when the blood of the sin-offering was sprinkled on the mercy seat, and incense burned within the Veil (Exod.16).

These high priests also presided over the Court of Judgment, and consulted the Divine oracle. The sacredness and exclusiveness of these priests was Divinely demonstrated on the day of the consecration of Aaron when his sons, Nabad and Abihn, were consumed by fire for offering insence in an unlawful manner. Lev.10.

The Jewish priesthood is no more. Neither is their distinctive tribe of Levi, nor any genealogical evidence of the existence of a house of Aaron. Judaism without a priesthood is more the religion it was, of the Lord God, than there would be a Catholic religion if its priesthood ceased to exist, assuming the impossible to be possible, for Christ said that He would be with His Chruch until the end of the world and that the gates of Hell would not prevail.

Correction: this should read---Jusaism without a priesthood is no more the religion it was...

Thats why it is a must we come together outside of the church to compare notes and compare how certain sects practice teaching the way outside of the influence of the House of Abraham and his offspring of promise.

Just because a church say we teach Jesus/Iesus/Mythra/Tammauz crucified does not mean they have a clue to the Kingdom Gospel which the Jews and Samaratians understood,they preach salvation,saving your sorry sinful behind without giving up being a criminal. Just because apple without blemish does not mean it could have a rotten core,thats why we must hold the system of worship accountable to what they teach and quit the preaching,we have had 1600 yrs of people with affiliation to religon speaking down to us like we will never understand,unless they dicipher the Bible for us and we can just be lazy.

The people I sidewalk witness to who have gone to church for yrs. start to see for themselves the foundation we build our temple off of is important for you have to have the whole foundation not just pieces.

Lulu I listened to preachers for 30 yrs try to justify practicing the way of the nations over Israel and when challanged they turn into beasts,for they are fighting for their money and power and if your a threat you must be stamped out.

Did you know if the true teaching on tithing ever got out and was put into use over a hundred million preachers or more would have to quit flying private jets,limo services,maid service,they would go to prison for stealing,stealing their congregations souls for money and a easy life.

Think I am full of B.S. check out how much money the christian system brought in in 2005 and Katrina and Rita and look how much was actually spent,the offset will scare the hell out of you,for over a Billion dollars is missing and more is being found out daily,the feeding trough becomes ripe in times of disasters.

I sat on a church council wanting to replace the current help center with a better one,one where families in need can be feed and clothed for a month,and fed good,they did not like that idea because the current one had to many deep pockets and alot of money being peddaled out the back door.

The Christian system is even in Forbes business as a top Industry,a Entertainment Industry,it was seeing all this that made me say I repent and am sorry for running but I am tired of running show me what you want of me,since then have seen Pastors made fools of,and congregations waking up and leaving for a home based church.

This is why sometimes I sound arrogant,I do not mean to be it is if you have been in a religous system for more then 4 yrs and have not matured since the moment you walked in,then it is time to leave,I matured and was ordered to leave unless I go back to the lies...

This post has gone as long as it has is because some out their are scared but curious what it must be like living across the water,the water that divides religon and life.
Pastor Terry

meow