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WinCustomize: What happens next

WinCustomize: What happens next

The plan for WinCustomize's future

Overall Philosophy

WinCustomize.com is a website whose goals are to promote a skinning community as well as help support content being created and shared that is for use with Stardock's software. Over the years, WinCustomize.com's popularity has grown immensely.  By October of 2005, it had reached a staggering 25 million monthly visitors.  Because the site focuses largely on the downloading of skins, themes, icons, and wallpapers, the bandwidth expenses for the site are enormous.  In addition, as the site has tried to sustain a feeling of community as opposed to being merely a glorified FTP site, the expense in running the site has grown due to the need to bring in and coordinate increasing numbers of file, SQL, and scripting servers. 

In its present state, Stardock pays for the cost of WinCustomize that isn't covered by advertising revenue and WinCustomize subscriptions.  WinCustomize is a very valuable asset of Stardock and the community that it supports means a lot to the the people who work at Stardock.  Stardock is a privately held company so its motivations are not necessarily driven by maximizing profit (in other words, making money isn't the only goal).

However, while WinCustomize's importance to Stardock is immense, it is not infinite.  Simply put, the cost of running WinCustomize has outstripped Stardock's ability to sustain it.  Of the 25 million visitors each month, over 3 million of them are "unique" (i.e. different people).  Obviously, most of those users aren't Stardock customers in any form.  To make WinCustomize viable, the model under which is operates needs to evolve.  It is clear that a subscription drive isn't going to be enough.  The October subscription drive managed to bring in less than 1,000 people -- many of whom were existing subscribers who re-subscribed.  In essence, of a website that gets over 3 million different people visiting, it would seem that our "hard core" community of users is probably less (guessing) than a few thousand.  In other words, the "community" of users is still relatively small which isn't necessarily all bad.

Over the coming months, users will see a gradual evolution of the site designed to increase revenue coming into the site.  Most of the effort will come from increasing advertising revenue. The rest will come from encouraging subscriptions and providing financial rewards to skin authors.

Users who have Object Desktop will become distinct from users who have simply purchased a product.  Object Desktop users will not have full WinCustomize subscription status but they will have unlimited downloads.  Those who have purchased a given product (such as WindowBlinds or IconPackager) will have unlimited downloads in their corresponding product but not in other areas.  The biggest change an Object Desktop user will see is that some skins will be marked as subscriber-only for the first 30 days and those skins will be part of the normal gallery.  Otherwise, things will be essentially the same.

The biggest changes for users who haven't purchased is that the site will have a lot more advertising on it and there will be a much greater push for users to create an account.

User Classes

Classes of users:

0: People who do not have accounts.

1: People who have created an account but have no subscription and have not purchased a product. Accounts are free to create.

2: People who have purchased a product or subscription in the past but are currently not active customers

3: People who are active customers (purchased a product in the past year).

4: People who have an active Object Desktop account.

5: People who have a WinCustomize Platinum Subscription.

Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4.  Users with Journeyman access on up will have the equivalent of group 5. Users with Contributor access will have the equivalent of Group 2.

Access Privileges:

Group 0 users will not be able to download skins and themes that are 0 days old.  They will only be able to download 10 megabytes of other skins & themes.  The number of ads they see will be akin to what people see on other sites -- in other words quite a bit.  They will be designed to bypass the various ad-blocking programs (Stardock, after all, is a software developer, we can get around this stuff if we put effort into it).

Group 1 users will be able to download up to 50 megabytes of skins and themes without having to purchase something or contribute something. They will see a lot of ads but not quite as much as group 0. Still quite a bit more than they see today.  The number of ads these users see will grow based on the # of megabytes they download.  At first, a group 1 user would see about the same # of ads as group 2 but then it would steadily increase.  The system will also be updated to make it more difficult to bypass.

Group 2 users will be able to download up to 500 megabytes of skins and themes of the product they had bought and 50 megabytes elsewhere without having to purchase something or contribute something. Otherwise they are the same as group 1.

Group 3 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content in the product they've purchased plus 100 megabytes elsewhere. They don't see quite as much ads as group 2.

Group 4 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content. They see fewer ads. They get personal pages.

Group 5 users will be able to download premium skins. They see no ads. They have unlimited downloads. They get the WinCustomize skin browser. They get to download subscriber-only skins. Their posts, comments, etc. will have a graphic by them indicating that they are a subscriber.

New Features

Contributor Access.  Anyone who submits a skin, theme, icon, wallpaper that gets made public is automatically promoted to Contributor level. They automatically gain new privileges on the site.

Subscriber-Only Skins. When a user who has Master access or higher submits a skin, a checkbox will appear that will indicate whether it is only available for subscribers or not.  If checked, the skin is only available for subscribers for 30 days after its original create date (updates don't count).  Eventually, skinners will be able to have a special link to their Affiliate page (if exists) https://www.stardock.com/affiliates.asp that if the person buys a subscription from their link the skin author will receive 20% of the revenue.

Long Term Goal

In the near-term, we want to get the site to be financially viable.  A site with the level of visitation that WinCustomize currently has should have at least 3 full-time people dedicated to it with another 3 who provide help part-time (speaking in terms of web design, database development, ASP development, server management, community support, etc.).  The site also needs at least 3 more servers which is where the money from the subscription drive is largely going to go towards. 

Once revenue is more balanced under the current system through the changes we mentioned above, Stardock will hire people who will work on WinCustomize full-time to help support subscribers and the community in general.  Some people have noted how much of a difference just having one person providing community support in the forums recently.  Having people assigned to work on the site could make a big difference and help the site evolve into a place that isn't just a first-rate community but a place where skinners and artists can financially benefit from their work as well.

So the site isn't going to become some subscriber-only site.  There will be a few more limits on non-subscribers and those without accounts or haven't purchased anything will start to see a lot mroe ads.  But hopefully over time these changes will be enough to tilt the mighty ship on course.  When you're dealing with millions of people each month, you only have to make changes that make a slight effect.   Supporting the site can mean everything from buying a subscription to supporting our advertisers by visiting their sites through their ads to of course creating skins, themes, icons, wallpapers, etc. as well as participating on our forums and comments areas.

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Reply #76 Top
For the people wanting a Wincustomize T-shirt - there actually are some already. There also have been a WC BB cap (as I have one) but I am not sure if the are still in stock. https://www.wincustomize.com/store/index.aspx#H043
Reply #77 Top
Like CerebroJD, I think levels 1 & 2 might be a bit soft. f0r3 raises a good point re shareware access - maybe Zubaz has a good solution.

The first couple of levels seem a bit complicated to manage but then again, I'm not the one who has to make it work (good thing!). As I don't expect to be less than level 5 anyway, it's all good to me.

I'm looking forward to feedback regarding how well this system will work to alleaviate the financial costs of WC.
Reply #78 Top
Hmm not so sure about this.. As I'm a OD Subscriber would that mean that I would see some skins here marked as "WC Subscriber Only" for 30 days and be unable to DL them?
Reply #79 Top
*RE:#76 > Thanks!* Dunno what happened: I wrote a post here, clicked on submit, and was bumped to the "unsubscribers" area. Guess I'd better go outside and check on the local collective reality. Maybe the extra bandwidth will help you folks...[ "break 10 min. every hour of monitor-time"? My uptime says "03:53:50"...all here ]
Reply #80 Top
f0r3: yaabut, they don't get to use WB5 with all the new features. Maybe you have a good idea there though. When I first used WB_free, I was running Win2k. Soon after, like a week, I had to have the full version. I couldn't stand not having the scrollbars and taskbar skinned; it just didn't look right. After I upgraded to the full version, I still wasn't satisfied with the skinning, the only other option was to upgrade to XP. I just happened to have bought a bundled barebones kit with an OEM version of Home. That was good enough to get the goodies wrapped up in 4.6. So, if there is a kill limit on the software, maybe more people would subscribe or purchase full versions.
Reply #81 Top
Wow. I had no idea all this stuff was going on. I'm one of those guys who's been lurking and downloading skins for a couple of years. I purchased WB, but that's about it. I really like the community and would hate to see this site go away. So as soon as I get home from work today, I'll be signing up for a WC subscription to show my appreciation for the work. BTW, I can't wait to be able to vote.
Reply #82 Top
SkinStudio, I apologize. I didn't realize there was a stardock t-shirt. However, by looking at them, I must say that they don't really look all that appealing . . . they actually look real cheezy . . . IMO. Couldn't it be possible to have some clothing that just looks great, has a neat little catch phrase or something along those lines? . . . just a thought . . . although, by the looks of the comments, it seems a lot of people like my idea (I can't claim originality, though).
Reply #83 Top
I really love the idea of WC shirts and other stuff. I would certainly buy something. All in all, the newly implemented guidelines are perfect. I hope it's successful!
Reply #84 Top
I've been a member for a LONG time, but have been a subscriber for almost a year now. So, although I don't know where i'll stand in this new level project. I hope it works at the end.
Reply #85 Top
sorry but honestly i would NEVER wear a wincustomize T-Shirt (just too lame IMO [not just wincustomize, but any t-shirt based on a website])
Reply #86 Top
sorry but honestly i would NEVER wear a wincustomize T-Shirt (just too lame IMO [not just wincustomize, but any t-shirt based on a website])


Surely you would if it looked good? I agree that the ones that are available aren't that nice (i would still wear it). There are so many talented artist that frequent this site i am sure that one them could come up with something a little more "Cool".
Reply #87 Top
...maybe (*thinks* no freakin way... )
Reply #88 Top
Scorpio,

they don't get to use WB5 with all the new features


Unfortunately that doesn't keep some people from using the shareware version as a *free* version forever and ever... What I think would be appropriate is what others have suggested, get new users hooked on the WB5 capabilities and then slowly start taking things away. AND, if this were tied to a WC account and they were able to reliably keep people from creating multiple accounts this would ensure that people had to buy WB once their demo was up.

Who knows, this may not be the way Brad wants to take the Shareware version, I just know it would tick me off to no end having people come here and complain about one thing or another when they are using a shareware version but have no intention of ever buying the full version.
Reply #89 Top
i'm an Apprentice and i'm in class 2........so what do i get?



Please answer the question....
Reply #90 Top
As for the librarys and sorting through them, I have an excellent idea.

So, in the sort by drop-down, we can have an option to sort by skins rated 4 stars and above by date.
Reply #91 Top
Bash:

Fewer ads and personal page.
Reply #92 Top
Bash (from the above article):

Users with Apprentice Access to Master Apprentice will have the equivalent of Group 4.


Group 4 users will be able to download an unlimited amount of content. They see fewer ads. They get personal pages.


Reading if FUNdamental.
Reply #93 Top
I have Object Desktop and just bought a subscription to Wincustomize. Now, where am I on this group thing. When I bought the subscription, you said I would have accsess to "premium skins", now it sounds like you're changing you're mind. What "Group" am I in now?
Email me to let me know. [email protected] Thanks.
Reply #94 Top
Reading if FUNdamental.



So IF spelling.

Reply #95 Top
I didn't see a response concerning the shareware versions or maybe I just missed it. Are they still good for forever or will they self-destruct?

"You ain't seen a throbber til you have seen mine"


I'd probably wear that T-Shirt provided the Monkey-Lizard wasn't on it. You may want to offer more colors than white.
Reply #96 Top
i'm an Apprentice and i'm in class 2........so what do i get?

9:00 bedtime.
Reply #97 Top
Excellent idea Brad.
I'm in total support of it
Reply #98 Top
//front//hittin tha skinz
//back//winCustomize.com

//colors//black & white
//font//block print style, I will create and donate an original font for this. (Hell, I would even make it a complete TrueType Font and offer it for free right here)

//you know where to find me. balls in yours.

//sembetu
Reply #100 Top
I personally think after 30 days (well, maybe 60) WB should disable itself and not allow a re-install.


As Windowblinds is very popular, it would only be a matter of time until there will be a hack to active it again. Only a few people would actually register, if they haven't done already in the 30 or 60 days. The rest will get the hack. Stardock will have to change the way that this feature is implemented. A new hack will appear. They will have to change again the feature and so on. A lot of time had to be invested to reimplement it over and over again. Time which should be pointed to new features instead. And all of this only in order to get a few more buyers. I don't think, that it is a good idea.

Personally I think that non-buyers should not be able to download a single Bit from this site. Seeing all the beautiful things - ok. But downloading: No Sir. For the rest the new way on taking it on is good