Save The Personal Page Elite!!!!!!!!

At least with this current method it allows people to still view work that didnt quite make it. I believe the old way only discourages and frustrates. I for one am a proud member of the P.P.E.

Maybe I need to clearify some.  I think only the best should get approved and most of the rest goes on the PP.  Rips, porn broken and just utter trash gets disaproved.  

Thanks, skinhit!
Alright, WOM!
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I too am a member... Leave things as they stand. If it ain't broke..don't fix it.

leave well enough alone...either way you're gonna have complaints...and with things as they are...I can wave my winky in the forums

Well I think the current system doesn't work, and nor did the old way. We have a way to sort the wallpapers by a catagory of numbers downloaded, featured, even sort by rated. Get the users to use the rating system. If we rely on a select few to decide what i like then why have the rating system. What you may think is good I might think is a sorry piece of shoot. But a wallpaper I might find to go along perfect with my desktop theme for my perfect screenshot in the pile of dirt so to speak. If it was rejected i would never know. My vote is on the rating system. We all talk about "if ain't broke why fix it?" what about if "we have why not use it". I think we should not reject anything unless it maitains a score of 1 for specified length of time. I think we should promote usage of the rating system. Award users for being an objective judge to the material of the site. We are a community, so let the community decide what is good and what isn't.

Reject all but the best. I've had to retreat from WC's Wallpaper gallery because there is just too much junk in there, no offense to some artists ^^ Great way to put it.

I'm waving my winky and am fine with the way things are, but there is another effective way to wade through the garbage. If you are a wincustomise subscriber, you have the option to view the galleries with only the star rating you choose or above. I'm not sure if thats true for regular members or not. The only problem with that is it works across the board for all galleries (not just wallpapers) I have mine set to see them all because I don't want to miss anything in the other galleries, plus I know our moderators are doing a fine job.  

Same, I don't even browse the wallpaper gallery at all. I get all my wallpapers from release threads on Aqua-Soft (which are of course on dA).

Just sounds elitist to me...Do we reject all but the best of any other library? Granted the wallpaper gallery sees the most action, but henceforth the current moderation policy. Thanks WC

As a compromise I wouldn't let anything under 6/10 or 3 stars in...

Damned if you ... damned if you don't   

Just my opinion but the ratings, and decision of where to place the walls; if not rejected, is up to the personal tastes of the moderators ... not saying that's a bad thing ... it's the way things work.

Now those particular tastes may or may not coincide with that of the majority of WC users ... one man's treasure is another's trash and all that ...

Perhaps the current system of publishing only the best to the public galleries with the rest going to personal pages is fine, although upping the bar to get into the public gallery could have a two-fold benefit ... the public galleries get 'better' and more focus is/can be placed on personal pages as places to mine for those 'unique' offerings.

why not let the people who use the site be the judge? why not let all the wallpapers submitted get displayed for a short time in the gallery and then depending on the ratings it gets decides if it remains or get put on to the submitters private page. that way everyone has a chance to see it and the submitter will get some feedback from the community? we claim to be a community, in fact we all had a discussion about this ealier this week. let the community decide what should or should not be???? i'm sure the moderators are doing a fine job but put the power in the hands of the people.

I think the system is fine as is... well if changing the standards is the only option then it is fine. However, I don't think the standards are the issue. Yes you should continue to reject rips, broken files etc... but... However I think the better option is to just put everything in the gallery, and add another browse option. If I understand it correctly if you add another browse option to filter out everything below 5 it would be the same as it is now. I personally don't browse wallpapers here very often, because there are not enough options for me to find what I'm looking for. If you want people to use the gallery you should give them the ability to browse by at least 2 conditions. I like how Deviantart lets me browse popular and recent at the same time. Just browsing popular shows me mostly the same stuff everytime, just browsing recent shows me too much stuff to find something.

Same as Bebi, I tend to use Aqua-Soft as my 'first port of call' when browsing for walls. I'd like to see tougher moderation on walls here but I also think that the same rules should be applied to some of the other galleries too...especially ObjectDock icons and logons.  

I voted for going back to the old standard. I have no problem with a piece being rejected when the bar is set high.

I voted for more but only because it seems I have to go to other sites to find a wallpaper I like. What makes a good wall? will I like it? will you? Decisions based on technical expertise are all very well, but take no account of artistic merit or peoples likes and dislikes in regard to walls, unlike WB which must meet a level of technical competence or they become unusable, but a wall is a wall, what floats your boat wont (or may not anyway) float mine.

How about a split wallpaper section. Allow in all walls (including those currently going to pp), if then after 7 days they have a minimum of XXX downloads, they achieve a 'popular' status which can be selected from a filter. That way all the wallpapers are in the wallpaper gallery, but people can go to a select gallery if they only want the most popular wallpapers.

That would satisfy those who want all wallpapers allowed in, and those who only want to see the best.

Whatever you do, someone isn't going to be happy...

I'm with Fuzzy.

If walls were held in the gallery awaiting so many ratings to decide whether it stays or goes, you risk being ganged up on by others: the old drive-by bad-rating thing that used to go on here.

But with Fuzzy's idea, when a wallpaper reaches a given download number (Say 200?), then it could be considered "safe" or a permanent addition to the gallery and if it doesn't reach 200 within a week (2? Doesn't matter: whatever time period) then it goes to the artist's personal page/gallery.

Gosh. Hope I made sense.

Having read the previous posts and suggestions, I find myself with the same problem as I have had with all the previous threads on this subject. That is one of definition. When it is suggested to have a gallery of the "best", I have no idea what that means. The best in what sense? The most popular?, The best for those that like minimalist work? The best for those that prefer 3D work? or abstract work? or those looking for a particular color to match a skin?

I think we all agree that the mods should reject files that are not in the right format, zip status or rips, etc. Beyond that, it is really a question of whether you prefer to decide for yourself what is best or have a group of well intentioned mods do it for you. Now some would point out that you can always dig into the personal pages etc to seek what you are looking for, but that is just not the way it works in my experience as most simply don't have the time for such an effort.

There is already a sorting system to let everyone look for 5 star walls etc. I imagine that the volume of submittals is the reason that walls get the extra scrutiny in selection process beyond proper functioning, TOS and packaging requirements. However, I submit that the wall makers whether novice or seasoned vets are customizers in their own way and are trying to contribute to the community as best they can. Welcome them.

I've never submitted anything that has been rejected, nor have I submitted wallpapers before (I don't make them), but I think it would be extremely discouraging and frustrating to have a piece rejected that I have worked hard on.

On the other hand, when I opened the wallpaper gallery tonight and was greeted by about 5 pages of terrible fractal images... I think that there should be a higher standard. Actually, the only reason I came to the forums tonight was to bitch about how many shitty fractal wallpapers there were.

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This would take a lot of work to implement, but a few fantastic things to do to the gallery would be including a popularity system, as mentioned in previous posts from other users, and then ON TOP OF THAT, add sub-categories within the wallpapers gallery.

I see it with a section for 'recently submitted', 'top rated', and then one for each other logical category like 'fractals', 'minimalist'..... I can't really think of any others (it's 5am and I've been up all night), but someone who knows more about WC wallpapers could do this.

Anyway, my idea would have wallpapers introduced in the recently submitted gallery, they would stay there until they'd been online for xweeks (maybe 1 month would be good?), and that would be plenty of opportunity for them to become 'popular images'. All images, or at least a much larger % would be let through - everybody gets a chance to shine.

As soon as an image leaves the recently submitted gallery, it would be sorted into the category that the user/reviewer marked it as, BUT until it had achieved 'popular' status (whatever your bar is) it would not be visible in the sub-category unless you opted to include all images in the sub-category you were browsing.

Using this method, you could browse by the type of image you wanted to see or just browse through all the categories organized by date submitted/score/whatever-else-the-current-sort-methods-are, but you wouldn't have to look through so many images unless you chose to.

Also if you just want to see fractals (for example), you can just see what the community thinks is good by default, but if you just really love fractals and want to get all of them (or something like that...), you can tell the site not to sort out images that haven't made it to 'popular'.

Sorry for the long post. I hope it makes sense.

Aside from The OD icons and Docks needing to be seperated..the cut and pastes and truly 'rough' looking icons that fill the OD gallery never seem to come into question.

Are the personal galleries ever going to be truly 'personal' where we can customize them with themes or how they are laid out? Adding a journal? I think sending these wallpapers to the personal gallery is what really makes them 'personal'. Don't change anything. If you must, then be harder on the moderating, but don't go back to the old way.

I think we should all stop, breath, and listen to the wise man in post #48...had enough yet?...wow! your tough! just keep listening...sorry...I have to run...

One thing I've always wished I could do is show people some of the wallpapers that don't make it.  When I say MS Paint scribbles with Lens Flare effects, I'm not kidding.  I've seen people submit solid black walls with a cut-out photo sitting off-center.  Walls where people just went down the effects list in photoshop and applied them all etc.

You also don't see the volume of this level of work submitted to the site.  Imagine going to the Newest Skins page, and having to dig through 3,4,5 pages of bad wallpapers to find a single actual skin.  If you think it gets tough sometimes with BootSkins and LogonVista screens, imagine 3x that number.

We moderate wallpaers more heavily in part to keep the site easier to use.  The other alternative would be to remove wallpapers entirely from the Newest Skins page like we do Screenshots, but that wouldn't make things any better really.