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What is wrong with this world? Am I just stupid or was the U.S. Constituition written while under the influence of a God fearing belief?

If the constition was written under those principles than why do the people who are also God fearing, have to refrain from using his holy name in public? People honestly wanted to change our 200+ year old pledge just because it includes the word God. And what's even worse is that I have to sit back and listen to people curse while using God's name. Maybe I'm just a crazy christian that is too blind to no the difference, but I don't think that's it.

I have the strangest feeling our forefathers didn't mean that you can't practice religion in the U.S. just that you can't FORCE your religion upon someone. Saying the pledge is not forcing christian ethics upon anyone, it's just asking Americans to have some respect for their country.

Gays can get married, legally, now. All I have to say about this one is, keep them out of court rooms and churches when doing this, because the church is (or at least mine is) against homosexual marriages. Then you have the court rooms which have the american flag right in your face.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm a christian and I can't stand the fact that we are letting people like this get away with what they are doing. You don't see me going around yelling at people for not praying, so why yell at me FOR praying? I'm not even speaking for crying out loud.

Oh, and then there's schools... This sucks big one's! You don't have to pledge anymore and the principal can't ask you to take time to pray and/or meditate. I remember, in 3rd grade, we would always do morning pledge and then the moment of silence for prayer or meditation. It was harmless. If you don't want to pray, you had time to sit and think. If you wanted to pray and not feel weird you could. Suddenly, out of nowhere we weren't aloud to do those things anymore. Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

So, what am I? Am I an idiot for even thinking that God is good? Maybe that's why we're having so much trouble in this world now. People won't accept that God isn't a word to bind you into one religion, but a word to symbolize the greatness of our country... if you won't accept it as a holy being. Or perhaps I'm a psychotic homophobe who can't even function in the same world as a homosexual or bisexual (no real dif.).

Capt. over and out!
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Reply #176 from JoeUser Forums Top
you are right that there are more important issues in life then that. You have had the chance to see what one of those issues are. I feel very sorry for what happened to your friend. I hope she gets better. I agree with your whole comment pretty much. I hope you keep writing like this.

~blondelife~
Reply #177 from JoeUser Forums Top
And YOU are too - by taking the offensive, by insulting others and by ineffect ignoring and failing to respect others beliefs and opinions REGARDLESS of how they're treating you - you're failing to be the bigger person and failing to shine a little light on their life.


Who ever said that we were insulting anyone?

~carebear~
Siege of Centauri
Reply #178 from JoeUser Forums Top

Who ever said that we were insulting anyone?

Nobody had to SAY it....we can read it. Some of the comments made by  teens on this thread have been very condescending toward the beliefs of others.

Reply #179 from JoeUser Forums Top

Some of the comments made by teens on this thread have been very condescending toward the beliefs of others.

Yes, they have.  You ask other people to respect your faith, but yet you won't return the favor.

As Trina said, you have dismissed all the advice given thus far, or have found a reason to not do it.  Bottom line is this:  you cannot, no matter what your teacher says, get into trouble for praying at school. I honestly think that you want there to be a time set aside for public prayer so that you can blend in with all the other students that are praying and not draw attention to yourself by praying alone. 

 

Reply #180 from JoeUser Forums Top
Nobody had to SAY it....we can read it. Some of the comments made by teens on this thread have been very condescending toward the beliefs of others.


Yes, they have. You ask other people to respect your faith, but yet you won't return the favor.


I don't think I can remember when I insulted another just because they have a different religion.

~carebear~
Reply #181 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't think I can remember when I insulted another just because they have a different religion.
But you are NOT the only teen responding here...so perhaps it wasn't you. I didnt see anyone mention you by name, and I'm not going to read back through nearly 200 posts just to find out WHICH teens made the remarks.
Reply #182 from JoeUser Forums Top
But you are NOT the only teen responding here...so perhaps it wasn't you. I didnt see anyone mention you by name, and I'm not going to read back through nearly 200 posts just to find out WHICH teens made the remarks.


I know I'm not. I just felt like it was towards me. That I was the one insulting. I guess I misunderstood what was being said. Sorry for that.

~carebear~
Reply #183 from JoeUser Forums Top
Everyone feels prosecuted when rights they think they should have get taken away, a lot of the Christian teens here feel it is their right to pray with a whole class so to speak, because to them it is a positive experience for everyone to pray together and share in religion together. They think having God in the Pledge makes it more meaningful to them, and they want the right to say it. They feel persecuted because there are people who do not approve of this.

Well, as one of those people who disapprove, understand that some of us feel persecuted when the standard is to have mass prayer, when the standard is to invoke God in the pledge, because while it has always been and will always be your right to pray to yourself, quitely or silently, for whatever reason you may have, and while it will always be your choice to add in the part about God to the pledge (itself a secular pledge, in a secular institution), you are asking that EVERYONE be REQUIRED to do it, and by doing that, you are pushing your beliefs on them. At least that's how I feel, and how people like myself feel, whether or not you feel like that's true.
Reply #184 from JoeUser Forums Top
I posted a scripture a few posts up that, I feel, addresses the issue of public prayer (Matthew 6 : 5 - 6). It is important to note that God does not require or request prayers be made in a conspicious way. Public prayer can often turn into a "look at me, I'm so holy" type of thing or an opportunity for someone to give a sermon disguised as a prayer.

No one can take away your right to pray. This is impossible.

I have a Christian belief system and wholeheartedly believe in the separation of church and state. This actually protects your rights to have your own religion in that you are not required to listen to, or participate in, prayers or other religious activities carried about by those whose beliefs differ from your own. It runs both ways, and affords children (and faculty) from all belief systems the ability to pray (or not) without imposing their beliefs on others or having another's beliefs imposed on them.

If the majority of students in your school were Muslim, would you be in support of a call to prayer several times a day over the intercom?

Please read Matthew 6 : 5 -6 and see if it changes your viewpoint any.
Reply #185 from JoeUser Forums Top
I just thought of something. I am totally for having a praying time durring school. But as i read some of these comments i figured something out. That we feel that we need it and it isn't fair or right or whatever. Say we did have it what about those other people that don't want it. There is always going to be people that want something and the other wants opposite. So no matter if we have praying time or not there is always going to be a group that doesn't want that.

~blondelife~
Reply #186 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well, as one of those people who disapprove, understand that some of us feel persecuted when the standard is to have mass prayer, when the standard is to invoke God in the pledge, because while it has always been and will always be your right to pray to yourself, quitely or silently, for whatever reason you may have, and while it will always be your choice to add in the part about God to the pledge (itself a secular pledge, in a secular institution), you are asking that EVERYONE be REQUIRED to do it, and by doing that, you are pushing your beliefs on them. At least that's how I feel, and how people like myself feel, whether or not you feel like that's true.


shitzu,

While you and I disagree on many issues, I will admit that I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one. Very well put.
Reply #187 from JoeUser Forums Top
I have a Christian belief system and wholeheartedly believe in the separation of church and state. This actually protects your rights to have your own religion in that you are not required to listen to, or participate in, prayers or other religious activities carried about by those whose beliefs differ from your own. It runs both ways, and affords children (and faculty) from all belief systems the ability to pray (or not) without imposing their beliefs on others or having another's beliefs imposed on them.


I wholeheartedly believe in that too. I think that the should separate the church from the state.

I just thought of something. I am totally for having a praying time durring school


Dude, that is so awesome. I'm in on it too. Maybe we could all do it a lunch or something. Good idea!

~carebear~
Reply #188 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lord my God, in you I take refuge; rescue me; save me from all who pursue me, Lest they maul me like lions, tear me to pieces with none to save. Lord my God, if I am at fault in this, if there is guilt on my hands, If I have repaid my friend with evil--- I spared even those who hated me without cause--- Then let my enemy pursue and overtake me, trample my life to the ground, and leave me dishonored in the dust.

Psalms 7: 2-6

~carebear~
Reply #189 from JoeUser Forums Top

Ok, my son was looking over my shoulder at this article, and asked what it was about.  He read; then we talked.  His response to the thread:


"You can't have time for everyone to pray in schools.  What about the jewish guys and the muslim guys and the buddhist guys and the non-religious people. all the other religions folks are gonna get mad, and thats a good way to start a riot"


A freakin' 10 year old can understand why not.  Why can't some other people?

Reply #190 from JoeUser Forums Top
Alright, I'm not done reading all the replies yet but let me say a few more things. When I said "I'm not exactly sure, but..." that was sarcasm.

I would also like to help you all out with my problem of defending myself. Don't worry I defend my christianity often, in fact, I had to take an F on a test because I refused to accept the Theory of Evolution. I gave my answer to each question he asked and he marked them all wrong. When I complained about people "commenting" I was saying that for those of us who aren't strong enough to deal with our peers "talking" about them. You shouldn't have to worry about me not fighting for what I think is right.

Now I'm going to go finish reading the rest of the comments and I'll most likely give another reply.

Capt. over and out!
Reply #191 from JoeUser Forums Top
Wow, I'm still not getting some of what you're saying... Dharma says that we want this so we don't stick out. That would be a great reason but that's not my reasoning. I want the moment of silence in school because of the reflection. I think that school were better when we had the moments of silence every morning.

You all had a hard time getting off of the subject of my conviction. Trust me, when I said it's not a problem, I meant IT'S NOT A PROBLEM for me. A lot of my friends hold their tongues around me because they know how I'll react. They know that I'll leave them when it gets out of hand and all that stuff...Oh yeah, Jess and Ashley, that's kinda why I didn't sit with you guys for a while there last year at lunch, some of the guys (I'm not going to mention names) were getting out of hand.

I'm sorry to tell you this but I've figured out one of the teens refered to earlier for picking on other religions even though the adults picked on some of them in a way also. The main teen to blame for that would be me. I'm not willing to say I was wrong for it either. I may be wrong in that I judged another religion, but to be honest Christianity isn't even a religion (for me). So, I guess I just feel like all "religions" are, what's the word... less, than my relationship with my God.

Yes, I am being arrogant but for some reason you all seem to think it's going to change out of nowhere. I'm like this because God made me like this.

Oh, I almost forgot. Someone said that God wouldn't make something he didn't aprove of... wow, that's about stupid. I'm sorry for being som rude and blunt, but that about made me jump out of my seat. Honestly, did God make death, greed, or even sin in general? No, of course he didn't. He just allowed man to do as he pleased, I don't know why it's so wrong for me to try and tell people that it's not "natural". Oh well, I guess I kind of understand... it will make people feel pressured. I'm gonna have to quote someone real fast in saying wahhh! Get over it. The people that helped start my "religion" were killed off because nobody liked them, now you get made when someone makes fun of...well, anybody.

To quote one of my favorite comedians (his name has escaped me at the moment)

"Put a helmet on!"

Capt. over and out!
Reply #192 from JoeUser Forums Top
Do you know why I don't understand? Because the other religious people pray too. I never ONCE said a moment of prayer to my God. This is a moment of silence. I bet that if he even knew what the moment of silence was about he'd be with me.

Capt. over and out!
Reply #193 from JoeUser Forums Top
While you and I disagree on many issues, I will admit that I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one. Very well put.


Thank you, I appreciate it. I'm also glad we agree on something, though there's probably a lot more, it's just not stuff we're particularly vocal about >8).
Reply #194 from JoeUser Forums Top
A freakin' 10 year old can understand why not. Why can't some other people?


It's not that we don't understand. It's just that we all have different opinions.

You all had a hard time getting off of the subject of my conviction. Trust me, when I said it's not a problem, I meant IT'S NOT A PROBLEM for me. A lot of my friends hold their tongues around me because they know how I'll react. They know that I'll leave them when it gets out of hand and all that stuff...Oh yeah, Jess and Ashley, that's kinda why I didn't sit with you guys for a while there last year at lunch, some of the guys (I'm not going to mention names) were getting out of hand.


Yeah, well why didn't you tell us that in the first place? lol. It's not like we would've got mad.

I'm sorry to tell you this but I've figured out one of the teens refered to earlier for picking on other religions even though the adults picked on some of them in a way also. The main teen to blame for that would be me. I'm not willing to say I was wrong for it either. I may be wrong in that I judged another religion, but to be honest Christianity isn't even a religion (for me). So, I guess I just feel like all "religions" are, what's the word... less, than my relationship with my God.


Well the only reason you'd be the main blame is just the fact the you're the one that wrote the article. But if that's not the case then I think we'd both be the blame, seeing as our viewpoint is basically the same.



Yes, I am being arrogant but for some reason you all seem to think it's going to change out of nowhere. I'm like this because God made me like this.


Yeah, we are all like this, because God did make us like this.

Oh, I almost forgot. Someone said that God wouldn't make something he didn't aprove of... wow, that's about stupid. I'm sorry for being som rude and blunt, but that about made me jump out of my seat. Honestly, did God make death, greed, or even sin in general? No, of course he didn't. He just allowed man to do as he pleased, I don't know why it's so wrong for me to try and tell people that it's not "natural". Oh well, I guess I kind of understand... it will make people feel pressured. I'm gonna have to quote someone real fast in saying wahhh! Get over it. The people that helped start my "religion" were killed off because nobody liked them, now you get made when someone makes fun of...well, anybody.


Yeah that is quite stupid. Why would God make everything perfect.....well simple, that would be too easy. But being gay is not something normal. And under God's eyes it's very wrong to do so. So if people were born gay and God thinks it's so bad then why would he make them be born gay?? And people of my religion have been killed just because the fact that people think Catholics are just a bunch of stupid people that don't know what they're talking about. Or just because they didn't like them for no reason at all. I mean look at the holocaust.......thousands of Roman Catholics were killed just because that was their religion. Ok, sorry to get a wee bit off subject, but it was just something that came to mind.

Do you know why I don't understand? Because the other religious people pray too. I never ONCE said a moment of prayer to my God. This is a moment of silence. I bet that if he even knew what the moment of silence was about he'd be with me.


I totally agree.

Now that I've put my two cents in for now, I think I'll just shut up for now before people get angry with me.

~carebear~
Reply #195 from JoeUser Forums Top
Zoo the Christian with no church.


Hah!...I love that...it sounds so.......dramatic and kind of cool...thanks Trina.

~Zoo
Reply #196 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hah!...I love that...it sounds so.......dramatic and kind of cool...thanks Trina.


Hey remember Zoo, no oneliner jokes. People might get mad.

~carebear~
Reply #197 from JoeUser Forums Top
"You can't have time for everyone to pray in schools. What about the jewish guys and the muslim guys and the buddhist guys and the non-religious people. all the other religions folks are gonna get mad, and thats a good way to start a riot"

I never really thought of it like that. That is a good way to think about it. You have to think about other peoples religion.

CAPTAIN,
Oh yeah, Jess and Ashley, that's kinda why I didn't sit with you guys for a while there last year at lunch, some of the guys (I'm not going to mention names) were getting out of hand.

The main teen to blame for that would be me.

He just allowed man to do as he pleased,

i know who you are talking about at lunch i think. You need to stay with us this year. Also you aren't the only teen to blame for anything. It isn't your fault. MOre people are going on about it. Don't blame yourself or i think i might have to have talk with you.
Also on the quote about god. THANK YOU!!! that is what i tried to say in one of my responses earlier. Thank you so much for agreeing to what i said in my one comment. Thanks again.

Hey remember Zoo, no oneliner jokes. People might get mad.


Hey Ashley. Did you ever think that might be what gets people mad? You just bringing it up all the time?

~blondelife~
Reply #198 from JoeUser Forums Top
Zoo - I'm a Christian with no church too -- but I'm glad you like it

Ashley - there are times and places for jokes - possibly if capt had made a joke AFTER he made a serious response to hellions comment there may not have been such an uproar. Noone is really against you - you're all respected members of this community as long as you respect the members of this community too.
Sometimes it is hardly evident that you're a teen and sometimes its glaringly obvious -- but adults have moments like that too
Reply #199 from JoeUser Forums Top

I think that the should separate the church from the state.

I just thought of something. I am totally for having a praying time durring school


Dude, that is so awesome. I'm in on it too. Maybe we could all do it a lunch or something. Good idea!

Ashley...don't you see the double standard here? One second you are saying you are for the separation of church and state, and the next you are wanting to set up a praying time in school. Unless you're talking about an entirely voluntary thing at lunchtime, for ONLY those students who WANT to be part of it, you are, in fact, advocating the combining of church and state.

I want the moment of silence in school because of the reflection. I think that school were better when we had the moments of silence every morning.

So TAKE a moment of silence, any time during the day you choose, as often as you need. Just don't impose it on the entire school!!

Yes, I am being arrogant but for some reason you all seem to think it's going to change out of nowhere. I'm like this because God made me like this.

So if you truly believe that you can't change a part of yourself because God made you that way, why do you keep insisting that homosexuals, who God made that way, can change?

Honestly, did God make death, greed, or even sin in general? No, of course he didn't.

No, He sure didnt...but he DID create humans---every last one us, with all our similarities and differences.

Do you know why I don't understand? Because the other religious people pray too. I never ONCE said a moment of prayer to my God. This is a moment of silence. I bet that if he even knew what the moment of silence was about he'd be with me.
   

Why does it have to be organized, in the school? Why can't all of us just pray when we want, where we want, without turning it into a big deal? I understand precisely what you want, and I am most assuredly NOT with you.

So if people were born gay and God thinks it's so bad then why would he make them be born gay??
  

That's my whole POINT, Ashley.  Are we going to say now that God created people He finds offensive? WHY would he do that? If God finds them offensive, then wouldn't He make sure no one was ever born that way?  And yet He doesn't...they are born every day....so there MUST be a reason.

 

 

Reply #200 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hey remember Zoo, no oneliner jokes. People might get mad.


Zoo made a positive comment about a "title" of sorts that he had acquired, it's not a one-liner, what you wrote, above, is what I would consider a one-liner. A "joke" intended primarily to get a reaction out of someone, probably me in this case, rather than bring anything new to the table.