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Gay WHAT???

Gay WHAT???

What is wrong with this world? Am I just stupid or was the U.S. Constituition written while under the influence of a God fearing belief?

If the constition was written under those principles than why do the people who are also God fearing, have to refrain from using his holy name in public? People honestly wanted to change our 200+ year old pledge just because it includes the word God. And what's even worse is that I have to sit back and listen to people curse while using God's name. Maybe I'm just a crazy christian that is too blind to no the difference, but I don't think that's it.

I have the strangest feeling our forefathers didn't mean that you can't practice religion in the U.S. just that you can't FORCE your religion upon someone. Saying the pledge is not forcing christian ethics upon anyone, it's just asking Americans to have some respect for their country.

Gays can get married, legally, now. All I have to say about this one is, keep them out of court rooms and churches when doing this, because the church is (or at least mine is) against homosexual marriages. Then you have the court rooms which have the american flag right in your face.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm a christian and I can't stand the fact that we are letting people like this get away with what they are doing. You don't see me going around yelling at people for not praying, so why yell at me FOR praying? I'm not even speaking for crying out loud.

Oh, and then there's schools... This sucks big one's! You don't have to pledge anymore and the principal can't ask you to take time to pray and/or meditate. I remember, in 3rd grade, we would always do morning pledge and then the moment of silence for prayer or meditation. It was harmless. If you don't want to pray, you had time to sit and think. If you wanted to pray and not feel weird you could. Suddenly, out of nowhere we weren't aloud to do those things anymore. Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

So, what am I? Am I an idiot for even thinking that God is good? Maybe that's why we're having so much trouble in this world now. People won't accept that God isn't a word to bind you into one religion, but a word to symbolize the greatness of our country... if you won't accept it as a holy being. Or perhaps I'm a psychotic homophobe who can't even function in the same world as a homosexual or bisexual (no real dif.).

Capt. over and out!

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Reply #226 Top
[God] makes everyone PERFECT


According to standard Catholic doctrine (and most Christian ones too, I believe) you are born in a state of sin. This is why baptism is such a big deal for Catholics, if you don't get baptized you aren't cleansed of that original condition.

So why can't the choice to have the sexuality you chose be a subconteous (spelling?) one?


It's "subconscious". And sure, it could be a subconscious choice. It could be a conscious choice. It could be in your genes somewhere after all. It could be forced on you by your grandmother. It could even be the result of eating too much cheese before the age of 2. But the best available evidence at this time, as far as I'm concerned, points to it being a culmination of an unknown series of events and responses, as influenced by your genetic tendencies, early in your developmental cycle (well before you are sexually aware).
Reply #227 Top
Oh, I'm sorry, but that's not in my doctrine... "let the children come to me..." ring a bell? I thought so.

Capt. over and out!
Reply #228 Top
It could even be the result of eating too much cheese before the age of 2.


Hmm...I hope not...otherwise Capt. here might be in touble...

~Zoo
Reply #229 Top

God CAN do anything.

Really?  The why do we have small (perfect) children dying excruciatingly painful deaths?  Why do we have people starving to death?  What about people with horible deformities?  If he can do anything, why isn't he doing anything about that?  Oh, let me guess - those things aren't 'good', right? Or is it because your god chooses not to do anything about them? 

I'm done with this thread.  I had hoped that we could get some serious debate going, and for a while there we almost did...but now I feel like I'm shouting at a wall. 

Reply #230 Top

He doesn't "make" gays because he makes everyone PERFECT, that means no spiritual flaws

Since when has homosexuality been a spiritual thing?  As far as I'm concerned it's a physical desire.

Reply #231 Top
"So how does he love everyone and everything if he doesn't like gay people?"

Your hurting my brain... look at what you said... like and love are totally different. I may not like someone like Hitler, but God would tell me to love him anyways, and I would/do. Do you seriously see the comments about not liking gays as meaning not loving them? To be totally honest I don't exactly LIKE a lot of you right now but I still LOVE you all.


Your definitions of love and mine are different, but I can see your point of view. I can't imagine loving someone or something I don't like, and to my view it seems a little pompous to proclaim that you love everyone. At that point it's just words, but if you believe it, I won't argue with you.

To me love is a specific feeling, not something you just say, though. I don't see love as "allow to exist," which is ultimately your definition, because if you love everyone, that just means that you're willing to allow them to exist without wanting them to die. I love a specific people, and I give everyone else the right to exist, even though I may not like them.
Reply #232 Top
Ok, love, like what God has for us is sacrificial. That's what I'm talking about. If I saw that someone was needing something, I'd help them even if I can't help myself. If someone is about to die and I can do something about it, even if I'm going to die, I will. It's that simple. Love isn't a "feeling" to me. It's like this...

I may not like someone but if they were in trouble and needed my help, I would help them.

I'm sorry dharma if you're having trouble seeing that your yelling at a wall and not a person but I guess you'll have that. j/k

It's not that he doesn't do anything about it. It's just that man has decided upon these things. Crime is something man involves himself in, and God gives him the "power" to do so. I don't want this taken the wrong way, but children have free tickets to heaven too, they don't get punished for being born different if they die because of it.

Capt. over and out!

P.S.~ Don't leave now Dharma, I'm almost getting used to your... opinion.
Reply #233 Top

According to standard Catholic doctrine (and most Christian ones too, I believe) you are born in a state of sin.

I've always been taught that we are born free from sin, and that we don't reach the age of accountability till 12....

He doesn't "make" gays because he makes everyone PERFECT, that means no spiritual flaws.

Homosexuality is a SPIRITUAL flaw now?  I thought it was a physical desire....is heterosexuality also spiritual?

 

Reply #234 Top
Ok, love, like what God has for us is sacrificial. That's what I'm talking about. If I saw that someone was needing something, I'd help them even if I can't help myself. If someone is about to die and I can do something about it, even if I'm going to die, I will. It's that simple. Love isn't a "feeling" to me. It's like this...

I may not like someone but if they were in trouble and needed my help, I would help them.


Okay, if that is love to you, fair enough, to me it's just common decency. Granted, not all people have this, and though I don't like your religious justification, I am glad that you strive to be a good and decent person.

I look at it like this, rather than view it as: "I love everyone, therefore I should strive to help anyone in needs, regardless of concern for my self." I look at it as: "I am a decent person, and have strong beliefs about what is right, and if I don't attempt to help someone who needs in, regardless of concern for myself, I will no longer be a decent person, I will be a selfish bastard."

Love to me is a completely different issue altogether.

It's really just a matter of perspective then.

So let me ask you this, do you believe that people who are not Christian, or for that matter, Atheists, can be moral and decent people without the Bible or a Church to tell them what is right and wrong?

I'm merely asking your personal opinion.

Edit: Messed up quote box, just pretend it's there >8).
Reply #235 Top
Well, of course you can have good morals without it, but I don't think that's enough to go to heaven, assuming you believe in Heaven and Hell.

Capt. over and out!
Reply #236 Top
I'm done with this thread. I had hoped that we could get some serious debate going, and for a while there we almost did...but now I feel like I'm shouting at a wall.


I explained why your efforts here are fruitless awhile ago. You "are" shouting at a wall.
Reply #237 Top

I explained why your efforts here are fruitless awhile ago. You "are" shouting at a wall.

I'm going to have to agree, and I think I'm going to bow out now, unless I see some real debate start up....

Reply #238 Top
Poetmom: I won't be engaging you in debate because for the most part we agree. I just thought I'd clarify this...

I've always been taught that we are born free from sin, and that we don't reach the age of accountability till 12....


I think this is one of the key differences in Catholicism and Protestantism (well, minus the saints, Mary and transubstantiation). Catholics believe that Mary could give birth to Jesus because she was without original sin (it's more complicated than that, but that is the basics). Everyone else has it. Like Citahellion said, this is why Catholics get babies baptized right away whereas some other churches wait until they are older. I hope I am explaining that correctly, but if someone can clarify it better, feel free.

Reply #239 Top
I've always been taught that we are born free from sin, and that we don't reach the age of accountability till 12....


That's a new one to me. I certainly got spanked plenty of times (and knew I deserved some of them, too) well before then.
Reply #240 Top

I don't want this taken the wrong way, but children have free tickets to heaven too, they don't get punished for being born different if they die because of it.


Ok, you missed my point.  You said that god can do anything, and that he loves all of us.  Why, then, does he let his innocent little babies suffer and die horrible deaths?  I'm talking about infants who have diseases or defects and whose short lives on this earth are nothing by pain and misery.  I know that I would gladly take on my kids pain if it meant that they could be pain free.  I'd lay down my life for my children, and it breaks my heart to see them suffer.  I cried more when my little guy broke his arm than he did.


 What does man have to do with that?  What decision does man make the causes that kind if thing to happen?  I don't see it.


 

Reply #241 Top
Why, then, does he let his innocent little babies suffer and die horrible deaths? I'm talking about infants who have diseases or defects and whose short lives on this earth are nothing by pain and misery.


Sometimes things don't make sense to me. This is one of those things.

My best guess is that these children, these little angels, are sent by God to help others. Remember that everything you do has an effect on someone else. What if a small child with a horrible disease brings a broken family back together. Really, I can't rationalize why this sort of thing happens. There is a reason. I just can't wrap my mind around it. But I do know this. Jesus is with all of those small children, all those people with dibilitating (sp?) diseases, even if they don't believe in his love.

Sometimes you have to rely on faith to answer questions your logic can't.

Peace,

Beebes
Reply #242 Top

Sometimes things don't make sense to me. This is one of those things.


Finally, a voice of reason!  Someone who's not afraid to say "i don't know"!


That honesty earned you an insightful, Beebles.

Reply #243 Top
So how does he love everyone and everything if he doesn't like gay people?


God will still love you no matter what you do. He just might not like what you're doing.
Your hurting my brain... look at what you said... like and love are totally different. I may not like someone like Hitler, but God would tell me to love him anyways, and I would/do. Do you seriously see the comments about not liking gays as meaning not loving them? To be totally honest I don't exactly LIKE a lot of you right now but I still LOVE you all.


Heh, I'm thinking the exact same thing right now


According to standard Catholic doctrine (and most Christian ones too, I believe) you are born in a state of sin. This is why baptism is such a big deal for Catholics, if you don't get baptized you aren't cleansed of that original condition.


Humm...never heard of that one. I'm catholic, as we all know be now. And even if it is true and I didn't know it was if it is, I'm against that. So now, are you all happy that I'm going against my religion on something?

Ok, love, like what God has for us is sacrificial. That's what I'm talking about. If I saw that someone was needing something, I'd help them even if I can't help myself. If someone is about to die and I can do something about it, even if I'm going to die, I will. It's that simple. Love isn't a "feeling" to me. It's like this...


I couldn't agree with you more Brandon. Say that someone on this blog that I don't partcularly LIKE right now is dying, I would do everything possible to help them survive if I could. And even if it did mean I was going to die.
I think this is one of the key differences in Catholicism and Protestantism (well, minus the saints, Mary and transubstantiation). Catholics believe that Mary could give birth to Jesus because she was without original sin (it's more complicated than that, but that is the basics). Everyone else has it. Like Citahellion said, this is why Catholics get babies baptized right away whereas some other churches wait until they are older. I hope I am explaining that correctly, but if someone can clarify it better, feel free.


Ok, for one this is not what us Catholics believe. We do not believe that Mary was a sin free person. We believe that she was a virgin even though she had a baby. It was God's gift to her and to the world. So we're saying she had Jesus with out having sex. And Catholics don't get their babies babtized right away. That's a lie big time! I don't know where you got that from, but it's not true. I didn't get baptized until almost a year after I was born. We're not like that at all.

That's a new one to me. I certainly got spanked plenty of times (and knew I deserved some of them, too) well before then.


Yeah so did I.
~carebear~
Reply #244 Top

God could do this possibly to punish a mother or father for something that they've did

But God loves us, right?  Why would he use the life of an innocent child and fill it with misery and pain to teach the parents a lesson?!

Ashley, I love you like a little sister, but that doesn't make any sense.

Reply #245 Top
I too, am confused by your reply...

The God I know is a loving, caring God. My Jesus isn't a Jesus who "gets back" at people. My Jesus wouldn't kill someone's baby to punish the mother or father.

Maybe it's because you're Catholic.... Your church has told you different things than mine.

I dunno.

Peace,

Beebes
Reply #246 Top
Sometimes things don't make sense to me. This is one of those things. My best guess is that these children, these little angels, are sent by God to help others. Remember that everything you do has an effect on someone else. What if a small child with a horrible disease brings a broken family back together. Really, I can't rationalize why this sort of thing happens. There is a reason. I just can't wrap my mind around it. But I do know this. Jesus is with all of those small children, all those people with dibilitating (sp?) diseases, even if they don't believe in his love.


I totally agree!

~carebear~
Reply #247 Top
The God I know is a loving, caring God. My Jesus isn't a Jesus who "gets back" at people. My Jesus wouldn't kill someone's baby to punish the mother or father.


I know, that's really not what I was trying to get at. I was lost for words at the moment. That's definatly not what I meant. But hey, it's late and my brain probably isn't functioning right after being hit upside the head with a soccer ball at practice tonight. So sorry. And no it's not because i'm catholic.

~carebear~
Reply #248 Top
Ok.

For a second there, you had me confused and upset.

I understand now.

Peace,

Beebes
Reply #249 Top
Ok good. I don't know what I was thinking when I put that. Sorry, very sorry about that one. Like I said, I'm not much for words and stuff tonight.

~carebear~
Reply #250 Top

Sorry, very sorry about that one. Like I said, I'm not much for words and stuff tonight.


It's ok..we all have times like that!