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Have Blacks become professional victims?

Denouncing poilitical correctness

from JoeUser Forums
While watching {for the hundreth time} news hashing over the handcuffing of the 5 year old black child, I was struck by one thing.

To a man/woman when the speaker is black the charge of racisim comes to the front lines, not a misjudgement, not poor training, because the cops were white, IT HAD TO BE RACIST BEHAVIOR.

While I agree that racisim and bigotry excist, NOT EVERY ACTION that has negative results is a form of racisim.

Since the advent of the civil rights act, blacks have learned that the one way to disarm a white person is to scream race, loud and often.
THE BLACK CRIMINAL ARRESTED BY A WHITE COP, screams racisim in the hopes of a reduced sentence or to be let off completely.

Jesse Jackson the man that could have taken Dr. kings place has chose instead to rape the whites of money in the name of reverse racisim. This behavior is ATRIBUTED to the climate of political correctness, that in my opinion is destroying america.

No longer can a man say to a woman "you look nice in that new dress" without worry of sexual harressmant charges.
No longer can a man like bill O'reilly say that he disagrees with the antics of sean penn {white} tim robbins {white} and danny glover {black} without glover calling bills comments Racist .

When will this end? never I say as long a political correctness holds sway in america.

Was the bahavior of the three cops bad judgement? yes. was it racist? hardly.

Now for anyone that wants to tackle me head on calling me some kind of racist I will gladly debate this < I know who I am, the bad and the good and racisim is not part of my make-up.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
unfortunatly blacks that think this was not racist do not sell papers or slots on the media.


And? What does this have to do with whether or not you mention this?

philo I am not going to arue with you about this, you want to feel I am some sort of closet monster.. so be it! BOOOO


I'm giving you opportunities to clarify your points left and right here. The fact that you won't is kinda disappointing.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Eh. If you'd asked me in person, I'd have said the same thing. If I was the sort of person who went on television shows I'd probably have said the same thing there, too. I can't believe I'm being accused of being racist against my own race.

Just curious, why did you quote the whole post if you were only going to reply to a small part of it? Not that I really wanted a reply, I'm just wondering why we need the extra clutter.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Isn't it ironic how, if a person says, "Black Females and Males agree, Soul Food is good", that is racist, but then you lump all "Black Females and Males" together to generalize them all as having the same opinion on what is racist and what isn't, and **poof**, you can pat yourself on the back and consider yourself "enlightened".


Huh? I don't get what you're trying to say? Are you saying I'm playing myself off as enlightened?
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
26 by Philomedy
Tuesday, April 26, 2005


unfortunatly blacks that think this was not racist do not sell papers or slots on the media.


And? What does this have to do with whether or not you mention this?

philo I am not going to arue with you about this, you want to feel I am some sort of closet monster.. so be it! BOOOO


I'm giving you opportunities to clarify your points left and right here. The fact that you won't is kinda disappointing.


philo the reason I could not mention any blacks that thought it wass NOT racist was because I did not see or hear any that said so. simple huh?

And I was asking a question, are blacks professional victims, then I stated what I thought.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
27 by PJ_
Tuesday, April 26, 2005


I have no answere pj.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
philo the reason I could not mention any blacks that thought it wass NOT racist was because I did not see or hear any that said so. simple huh?


I would have expected you to place yourself above the media that you constantly rail against.

And I was asking a question, are blacks professional victims, then I stated what I thought.


Very well. My answer is no, and for what it's worth, what you think about this subject frightens me.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Probably most of the reason I immediately think "white" is because most of the people I know are white. That's what happens when you grow up in a predominantly white area. It's kind of a default race in my mind. I generally don't think of race much. People are generally the same, except possibly for accents and certain facial features. Certain accents get on my nerves, and certain facial features strike me as unattractive, but other than that it's people's actions and the content of their words that influence my opinion of them.

I feel like we just got into an argument here, even though I'm not sure exactly what we were disagreeing on. No hard feelings?
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top

Seems you have a nice little debate going with the P Brigade (Guess that makes me prejudice against bloggers whose name starts with a P).

I would not go so far as to say every time, but it is all too often used.  Where I live, the cop is about as likely to be black as white, but the perp is about 3 times as likely to be black.  Why?  Demographics.  Blacks make up over 50% of the population.  And yes, you hear it a lot when a white cop busts a black person.  It is almost like they wait to see if the cop was black or white before yelling racism.  Most often the race of the arresting officer is not mentioned in the press reports, so the victims have to raise the spectre to gain community support.

But since most victims are black, they usually do not garner a lot of sympathy from the black community as the black community is tired of the crime.

Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
My opinion - It was extremely racist. I agree that most likely had the child been white, she never would have been cuffed. My opinion - you are a racist. A closet racist in acute denial.

I believe that some people who profess to not being racist just do not realize that there is this element of how s/he thinks and responds to situations is inherently racist within their personality. It's just a comfort level, I suppose. But it is racist nonetheless. And, until people start truly recognizing that racism does indeed exist within and make attempts to right the behavior, then they will always have racist tendencies.

There are some people here who exhibit this so blatantly it's scary. "I'm not a racist." Yet, go on to say she prefers the company of whites. "I'm not a racist." But, goes on to back up the former poster. How the hell can you not harbor some racism if you are white and prefer the company of whites, and the other way around? It's elemental, for cryin' out loud.

And, making excuses about cultures is specious. I am no more comfortable hanging out with white crackheads than I am with black ones.

I think alot of our society's social problems stem from poverty. Without a doubt. But, if you look around so many poverty stricken inner city people are black. They don't choose to be poor. In fact, most are born into poverty. Getting out of it takes a certain exceptional strength of character that anyone, white or black, would have to exhibit. But, my point is that because most inner city poverty is indeed black, whites tend to blame their blackness, their race, rather than the poverty. You don't hear whites railing against white trash very often, except in joking situations, usually.

So, what do the bushie deathcult morons doing? They're cutting all manner of social services. Now that's really helpful. NOT I would venture a guess that if we had a black president, s/he would be less inclined to cut these services, across the board, wherein all poor, black, white, latino, asian, etc. would benefit. I would sure like the opportunity to see what a black, latino, asian, etc president would, in fact, do. But, we are a long way off from electing anyone other than a white male. Not even a woman can get elected to the highest office in our land. That is racism, folks. RACISM But, I digress, though not by much.

This little girl was throwing a tantrum. Kids do that from time to time. Calling in the cops, instead of social workers or psychologists, maybe even getting medical help, first would have been appropriate. But, given that she was black, I guess they thought that it would be ok to just cuff the kid. Lousy uncontrollable darkie, anyway. Damn straight it was racist.

I hope her parents sue the crap out of the school and the police department. That kid likely is experiencing nightmares now. At the very least, you can be sure she is going to be terrified of white cops.

Now, like whipsy suggested, I am controlling my "beast". But, only by a thread. MM, you are a racist, scary, fascist-loving sob. You opened this thread for one reason - to argue with anyone who may disagree. You apparently thrive on being a lousy and contentious dickhead, who posts inflammatory and people bashing articles over and over and over. You are a disgrace.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
My opinion - It was extremely racist. I agree that most likely had the child been white, she never would have been cuffed. My opinion - you are a racist. A closet racist in acute denial.


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Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Isn't it ironic how, if a person says, "Black Females and Males agree, Soul Food is good", that is racist, but then you lump all "Black Females and Males" together to generalize them all as having the same opinion on what is racist and what isn't, and **poof**, you can pat yourself on the back and consider yourself "enlightened".


Huh? I don't get what you're trying to say? Are you saying I'm playing myself off as enlightened?


Just pointing out an irony of race generalizations and race relations. The "enlightened" part was just a shot at what some people consider themselves when they are looking down their nose at the rest of us.

It was a reply to the quote from you, but wasn't necessarily a shot at you. Just the over generalization.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
To tell you the truth, I don't think the whole "victim" card is a racial thing. As our society has come to love "the underdog", victim has come to mean respect in too many people's eyes.

Look at this issue. Was the child the "victim", or the teacher? Or was it the school itself. The mother has to put up with this brat everyday... or is the mother the cause? Either way, we don't look for the facts as much as we look to see who we either feel the most sorry for, or with who we feel the most kindship.

In other words, the party we feel the most comfortable awarding the coveted "victim" status, is the one we are going to defend. Of course, where there is a victim, there must be "victimizers". This is not a badge of respect, so those who so rudely victimized the poor innocent, deserve none. Link
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
The inference here is that blacks don't have the exceptional strength of character it takes to get out of the ghetto, which is why we have entire generations that remain for their entire lives, and force their children to do the same.


Excuse me, dope. You took my statement out of context. I said black or white. I was pointing to poverty, not race, you freakin' racist pile of crap. Yeah you, you KKK loving sack of garbage. Yeah, you. You just love to spin your mindless bullshit and pile on others. F*ck you. sideways.
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
The inference here is that blacks don't have the exceptional strength of character it takes to get out of the ghetto, which is why we have entire generations that remain for their entire lives, and force their children to do the same.


Excuse me, dope. You took my statement out of context. I said black or white. I was pointing to poverty, not race, you freakin' racist pile of crap. Yeah you, you KKK loving sack of garbage. Yeah, you. You just love to spin your mindless bullshit and pile on others. F*ck you. sideways.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh good. It got posted twice.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
But since most victims are black, they usually do not garner a lot of sympathy from the black community as the black community is tired of the crime.


And there is another side of this that no one mentions, or that they don't want to mention because it doesn't fit in all that nicely with the prejudgment. Minorities are tired of this, too, not only when we're the victims of the crime, but in general. You think it helps us that there are some people who immediately point to racism as the cause of everything? We hate it as much as, if not more, than you, because the repercussions come directly back at us, in articles such as these, that post questions like "is an entire race becoming ____________."

It was a reply to the quote from you, but wasn't necessarily a shot at you. Just the over generalization.


I get it now...for some reason it didn't make sense when I read it last night.

The inference here is that blacks don't have the exceptional strength of character it takes to get out of the ghetto, which is why we have entire generations that remain for their entire lives, and force their children to do the same.


Dabe's response is on my side, and although I don't really think it helped at all, the inference that you draw doesn't exist. Getting out of poverty takes an immense amount of effort for anyone, no matter their race.

You may have your head in the clouds, but my eyes work just fine, and without exception, every single housing project I've ever seen has been populated almost exclusively by blacks, and, more recently, Hispanics.What a racist, (and condescending) thing to say, that these people don't have the strength of character to rise above it. You may have mentioned whites too, but that doesnt negate the fact that you had already stated that most inner city poor are black.Therefore, you have insulted their character.


Ok, first of all, you're aware that Dabe agreed with the first statement you make here right? You both agree that inner city housing projects are inhabited by minorities. The difference seems to be that Dabe follows her comments up with a statement on how difficult it is to get out of poverty, while you just let the statement hang in the air and go off to attack what others have said. Which leads to the obvious question: What do you think?

Dabe mentioned it is hard to get out of poverty, regardless of race, and no matter how you want to spin it in your head, there is no racist inference there. I think the rest of Dabe's response perfectly profiles the hysterical individual that Moderateman initially set out to ridicule, and so doesn't really help things, but this particular point was right on.

You, on the other hand, make the same point Dabe did about a majority of the inner city poor being minorities, but you do it in such a defensive way that I wonder why you think you're being attacked. You're so eager to prove that you're not racist when you say a majority of housing projects are mostly inhabited by Blacks and Hispanics that you didn't notice that no one told you that you were. So the majority of what you've seen says that Blacks and Hispanics occupy housing projects the most? Fine. And? What?

When you leave a statement as open as that, you're begging people to infer the rest of what you think. That's probably what you want, since then you can come back crying about how we've all put words in your mouth while we claim to be "civil" and look how we're hypocrates and you put yourself on a high ground from which to fight once again. So all I'll say is this:

If I said "I know what I see, and most school shooters are white" or "My eyes don't lie, and all of the serial killers I've seen are white" or "From what I've seen, pro-lifers kill those that disagree with them", that might make you upset, because you don't really know what I think, but the inference that you would draw is clear. I think white people will shoot up my school, or I think white people are serial killers, or I think pro-lifers are heartless unless you agree with them, so I don't trust white people or pro-lifers, and I hate them, because they might get me.

So now let's insert your statement, which basically boils down to "from what I've seen, most inner city poor are minorities." The inference here is that minorities make up a majority of the inner city poor, and that's just the way it is, and it can't be changed, so why should we try to help, it's all up to the minorities to get themselves out.
That's a lovely way to look at things.
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
To be a bit more civil, almost very few people have that "exeptional strength of character." That kind of what "exeptional" means. Blacks are just more likely to start out in poverty because of the extra racism-imposed hurdles their parents faced, and the hurdles that they still face makes it take even more strength of character to get out of it.

I think this discussion would benefit a lot if everyone would start out by assuming that everyone else was a reasonable human being. If someone says something that seems wrong, give them the benefit of the doubt by assuming that you misunderstood it and asking for clarification. If you find that they really are wrong, you'll get better results by explaining exactly why they're wrong then you will by calling them names. Even if you don't convince them, it'll help to make your (presumably correct) opinions clear to others who may not understand them.
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: PhilomedyPosted: Tuesday, April 26, 2005philo the reason I could not mention any blacks that thought it wass NOT racist was because I did not see or hear any that said so. simple huh?I would have expected you to place yourself above the media that you constantly rail against.


How can I be above the media they are wgat feeds us the so called news. If I want to stay abreast of current events where shoud
I go?.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: PJ_Posted: Wednesday, April 27, 2005Probably most of the reason I immediately think "white" is because most of the people I know are white. That's what happens when you grow up in a predominantly white area. It's kind of a default race in my mind. I generally don't think of race much. People are generally the same, except possibly for accents and certain facial features. Certain accents get on my nerves, and certain facial features strike me as unattractive, but other than that it's people's actions and the content of their words that influence my opinion of them.I feel like we just got into an argument here, even though I'm not sure exactly what we were disagreeing on. No hard feelings?


no hard feeling.... just a spirited debate with oppossing views.
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top

Excuse me, dope. You took my statement out of context. I said black or white. I was pointing to poverty, not race, you freakin' racist pile of crap. Yeah you, you KKK loving sack of garbage. Yeah, you. You just love to spin your mindless bullshit and pile on others. F*ck you. sideways.

Have you ever had a rational sane thought?  Or is potty the only thing that comes out of your mouth?  That and condescending racist bull crap.  YOu are a sorry excuse for a bigotted racist ignorant foul mouth mentally challenged throw back to neathandertals.

Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: dabePosted: Wednesday, April 27, 2005My opinion - It was extremely racist. I agree that most likely had the child been white, she never would have been cuffed. My opinion - you are a racist. A closet racist in acute denial.I believe that some people who profess to not being racist just do not realize that there is this element of how s/he thinks and responds to situations is inherently racist within their personality. It's just a comfort level, I suppose. But it is racist nonetheless. And, until people start truly recognizing that racism does indeed exist within and make attempts to right the behavior, then they will always have racist tendencies.There are some people here who exhibit this so blatantly it's scary. "I'm not a racist." Yet, go on to say she prefers the company of whites. "I'm not a racist." But, goes on to back up the former poster. How the hell can you not harbor some racism if you are white and prefer the company of whites, and the other way around? It's elemental, for cryin' out loud. And, making excuses about cultures is specious. I am no more comfortable hanging out with white crackheads than I am with black ones. I think alot of our society's social problems stem from poverty. Without a doubt. But, if you look around so many poverty stricken inner city people are black. They don't choose to be poor. In fact, most are born into poverty. Getting out of it takes a certain exceptional strength of character that anyone, white or black, would have to exhibit. But, my point is that because most inner city poverty is indeed black, whites tend to blame their blackness, their race, rather than the poverty. You don't hear whites railing against white trash very often, except in joking situations, usually. So, what do the bushie deathcult morons doing? They're cutting all manner of social services. Now that's really helpful. NOT I would venture a guess that if we had a black president, s/he would be less inclined to cut these services, across the board, wherein all poor, black, white, latino, asian, etc. would benefit. I would sure like the opportunity to see what a black, latino, asian, etc president would, in fact, do. But, we are a long way off from electing anyone other than a white male. Not even a woman can get elected to the highest office in our land. That is racism, folks. RACISM But, I digress, though not by much.This little girl was throwing a tantrum. Kids do that from time to time. Calling in the cops, instead of social workers or psychologists, maybe even getting medical help, first would have been appropriate. But, given that she was black, I guess they thought that it would be ok to just cuff the kid. Lousy uncontrollable darkie, anyway. Damn straight it was racist.I hope her parents sue the crap out of the school and the police department. That kid likely is experiencing nightmares now. At the very least, you can be sure she is going to be terrified of white cops.Now, like whipsy suggested, I am controlling my "beast". But, only by a thread. MM, you are a racist, scary, fascist-loving sob. You opened this thread for one reason - to argue with anyone who may disagree. You apparently thrive on being a lousy and contentious dickhead, who posts inflammatory and people bashing articles over and over and over. You are a disgrace.


well Now that I have emailed this to my black FRIENDS , and have gotten there replies back, after the fun they poked at you which I will not regale you with, as usual your hatred for me comes shining through. and as usual you are wrong, but I digress, you use many fancy word to show your general hatred for not only me, but for anyone that dares disagree with your twisted point of view. You are the only one {as usual} to attack me on a personal level, while disagreeing, many of the posts here were in total disagreement with me, yet only you took it to a personal level, what does that say about you? oh hate filled one.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Wednesday, April 27, 2005Seems you have a nice little debate going with the P Brigade (Guess that makes me prejudice against bloggers whose name starts with a P).I would not go so far as to say every time, but it is all too often used. Where I live, the cop is about as likely to be black as white, but the perp is about 3 times as likely to be black. Why? Demographics. Blacks make up over 50% of the population. And yes, you hear it a lot when a white cop busts a black person. It is almost like they wait to see if the cop was black or white before yelling racism. Most often the race of the arresting officer is not mentioned in the press reports, so the victims have to raise the spectre to gain community support.But since most victims are black, they usually do not garner a lot of sympathy from the black community as the black community is tired of the crime.


exactly.
Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Wednesday, April 27, 2005To tell you the truth, I don't think the whole "victim" card is a racial thing. As our society has come to love "the underdog", victim has come to mean respect in too many people's eyes.Look at this issue. Was the child the "victim", or the teacher? Or was it the school itself. The mother has to put up with this brat everyday... or is the mother the cause? Either way, we don't look for the facts as much as we look to see who we either feel the most sorry for, or with who we feel the most kindship.In other words, the party we feel the most comfortable awarding the coveted "victim" status, is the one we are going to defend. Of course, where there is a victim, there must be "victimizers". This is not a badge of respect, so those who so rudely victimized the poor innocent, deserve none. Link


wow someone really is discussing the whole idea of this post.. with real answeres, good on ya ted. and thank you
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top

The inference here is that minorities make up a majority of the inner city poor, and that's just the way it is, and it can't be changed, so why should we try to help, it's all up to the minorities to get themselves out.

ANd that is also incorrect.  In many cities it may be the case, but then that is usually because they make up a majority of the citizens.  However, I have lived in many cities where the inner city poor were not minorities at all.  As there were very few minorities who lived there.

I will say that in this area, the inner city poor are black, but he suburb poor are white.  And that has nothing to do with race, it is simply a matter of demographics.  The city is mostly black, and the burbs mostly white.

Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: dabePosted: Wednesday, April 27, 2005The inference here is that blacks don't have the exceptional strength of character it takes to get out of the ghetto, which is why we have entire generations that remain for their entire lives, and force their children to do the same.Excuse me, dope. You took my statement out of context. I said black or white. I was pointing to poverty, not race, you freakin' racist pile of crap. Yeah you, you KKK loving sack of garbage. Yeah, you. You just love to spin your mindless bullshit and pile on others. F*ck you. sideways.


such anger dabe, and I get called the angry blogger. hmmmmm. you must live in constant pain of some type to be so angry{spirit corrupted is my guess} Please refrain from using foul language here.