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Overdog worship

Overdog worship

One of the trends I've noticed in "Generation Y" that's different from Generation X and especially the baby boomers is that members of Generation Y seem to automatically want to side with the overdog.

Nothing exemplifies this attitude more than the stark attitude differences about Microsoft. If you polled the typical 18 year old techie about Microsoft, you would find that they overwhelming believe Microsoft's technologies are great, innovative, and solid. Ask Generation X and a lot of skepticism shows up. And by the time you get to the baby boomers you have to weed out the profanity used to describe it.

For us at Stardock, this really bites hard because we make software that extends the OS. As a result, any time Microsoft adds something that works similarly to what we make, the overdog worshippers begin dissing our software. Often times the similarities are almost identical. Yet, if you add the Microsoft logo to our stuff, it magically becomes better, faster, smaller, etc.

It's a rather surreal experience seeing young techies equating software written by Microsoft as small, fast, efficient, and relatively bug free. I actually don't have a negative view of Microsoft's coding abilities. I think they write software a bit better than average when compared to other mega corporations. I do believe that their internal developer culture is inadvertently harmful to third party innovation. That's because developers at Microsoft are allowed to work on, in their free time, additional software projects and from what I've seen, these often end up being "inspired" by third party software rather than original creations. But there's a big difference between Freeware written by Joe freeware author and someone at Microsoft. Anything released by Microsoft gains the air of legitimacy that no third party can get.

And that brings us back to the overdog worshipping. In Windows XP, the OS supports being "skinned". The OS comes with Windows XP style blue, silver, and green. But if you're willing to hack out the digital signing protection, you can download and copy into your system directory additional themes. The msstyles format is pretty decent overall. But it's not very powerful. It was made to make the Windows XP style and as long as you're willing to basically stick with themes that are pretty basic, you can have some variety.

Our company, by contrast, makes WindowBlinds. A program that extends Windows XP to natively support skinning too. We use pretty much the same APIs so we're just as "native". The difference is that our skin format is much more advanced since our program only exists to skin and wasn't designed around a particular design.

Yet on some of the techie sites that are so frequented by Generation Ys, you would think our software was buggy crap. Often times the alleged faults with it are exactly the same faults that exist with the included msstyles (because we use the same APIs). And none of these faults are what a normal person would consider significant.

But that's where the underdog worship really takes off. All manner of faults are imagined to exist for our software and the only thing these faults have in common is that we're not from Microsoft.

Let me give you some examples to show you just how far some of the overdog worshippers will go:

Claim: There are no good skins for WindowBlinds, they're all fat and useless.

Msstyles supports only very basic skins. WindowBlinds is a superset format, it can do that plus pretty much anything else you can imagine.

Let me show you some screenshots to show you what we've been doing for years:

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-nov99.jpg (November 1999)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-apr00.jpg (April 2000)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-july01.jpg (July 2001)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-july00.jpg (July 2000)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-aug00.jpg (Aug 2000)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-nov02.jpg (Nov 2002)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-jan03.jpg (Jan 2003)

https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/wb-mar03.jpg (Mar 2003)

WindowBlinds can do any visual style that msstyles can since it's a superset. And in fact, with going on 3000 skins for it, there are many many minimalistic skins available.

In short, this is a baseless claim. But you see, because msstyles is so limited in what it can do and because it's Microsoft, then these limitations are "good". You can bet that if the tables were reversed these same people would be claiming that our software was too limited.

Claim: WindowBlinds uses too much memory!

WindowBlinds uses around 2 megabytes less ram when a skin is applied than msstyles does. In short, this claim is simply made up. But we hear it all the time. It's so easy to tell that it's not true, XP has a task manager that shows how much memory is allocated.

Claim: WindowBlinds skins crash my apps!

WindowBlinds uses the same APIs as XP. It's no more likely to crash an app than msstyles is.

Msstyles, as a format, are like .BMP. They get the job done. WindowBlinds is a lot like .PNG files. PNG has advantages over .BMP such as alpha channel support, compression, etc. But if these two formats were remaed .MSIMG and .IMG or something, I bet you would have a lot of people claiming that .BMP is "Better".

The really sad thing is that these overdog worshippers don't realize that if they had their way, they'd likely be worse off. Needless to say, Microsoft doesn't support people hacking their system DLL so that they can patch in additional unsigned msstyle files. The next version of Windows, code-named Longhorn is already available via various "channels" in early beta. Guess what? .msstyles is no longer supported. Microsoft isn't in the skinning business. They make OSes and their top priority is producing a great OS. They have their hands full with compatibility on things that actually matter let alone worrying whether skins made by people who are hacking out their security features to work are going to be taken care of or not.

But imaging if the overdog worshippers got their way and we disappeared. We're the only realistic alternative. Do they really want to be at the mercy of Microsoft? What most people don't realize is that Microsoft's internal culture makes individual developers there very important. The only reason why Windows XP even has an msstyles "format" is because a couple of developers there decided to create a format rather than hard code it. Imagine if they leave? There's no business justification to continue supporting skinning. So if not in Longhorn, at some point, odds are they'd be out of luck. And bear in mind, it took years for WindowBlinds to get to where it is today.

This is just one story in a cosmic book of stories on how there's an increasing tendency for young techies to blindly worship whoever is dominant. An almost innate desire to be on the winning team seems to have gripped the young techie culture. I wonder how many of them have considered the long term implications of such over dog worship.
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Reply #151 Top
Me thinks BoXXi doesn't have any of our IPs much like the hacker wannabes in Yahoo! chat that say they can hack into your computer, but when you challenge them to say what your IP is, they can't say.

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Reply #152 Top
I just wanted to know how he got mine.
For the love of God don't start up again. He will exile us.
Reply #153 Top
Don't challenge me, and don't be so naive. you both posted your ISP's in another thread, I could add them both to the list.
Reply #154 Top
gonna play nice JJ79?
Reply #156 Top
But BoXXi, remember I'm behind 3 firewalls, 2 software titles, and I have a multi static IP. I have it set up that way for a reason. I was just curious, nothing more.
Reply #157 Top
lol... jj, you'll never learn.

If you ever crack a book, you'll know that your IP gets sent to every server you visit. That's how they know who to send the information back to. If I wanted your IP I could have suckered you into clicking a link on my own webserver a dozen times and then read the logs.

I'm not a l33t d00d like you though, and I have nothing to prove. i would say, though, if you can't keep Notepad from dialing out, you have no business telling anyone about security...
Reply #159 Top
I just wish everyone could get along.
I didn't mean to step on any toes.
Mine did get stepped on.

And I didn't change my name. This is my wife's account.
Reply #160 Top
I tried to give a sincere apology in the "wb4 is does not work for win me" thread, and these hard headed Windows washers keep trolling and flaming me.

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Reply #161 Top
I though jj79 was your wife's account? How do you keep them all straight?
Reply #163 Top
jj: look up at what you said AFTER your apology:

"Me thinks BoXXi doesn't have any of our IPs much like the hacker wannabes in Yahoo! chat that say they can hack into your computer, but when you challenge them to say what your IP is, they can't say. "

Are you completely insane?
Reply #164 Top
This is starting to remind me of a Yahoo! chat room filled with nothing but people just trying to get each other mad. It's those jerks on Yahoo! that call each other profain names, homophobic and racist slurs that drove me away from Yahoo! chat.

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Reply #166 Top
You saw who picking on Kona? I think you really are nuts.

Reread. You said that to Boxxi, not me. Apologies don't count for much if you are doing the same thing 5 minutes later.
Reply #168 Top
Here is what I said, and take notice that it was a response to an attack you made on me bakerstreet as well as a message for Boxxi:


Okay the fun and games are over. I'm sorry about all my outbursts. If I anything I have done is considered trolling, then I am sorry.

As far as LS goes, I have a negative opinion of it based on bad experiences I had playing with it on Win ME. Just direct me where I can download it and I will give it another try on XP. I am sorry I did not fully explore LS's capabilities, although I feel that not being able to run any programs that require explorer.exe is a short coming. Then again, it may be the developer of the program's fault for assuming that the user does not use alternate shells.

As far as OSes go, I don't really think one OS is that much better than the other. IT all depends on what you want your computer to do and what your personal preferences are. Some days I like XP and some days I don't. It just depends on if XP is behaving itself. I am only a Linux newbie, but I want to learn how to use it and migrate to it. I will keep Windows for the programs and games I like.

As far as Microsoft goes, I am not a big fan. I am not completely anti-Microsoft. I am using Windows XP right now, and I do own an XBOX.

Again, I am sorry for crossing the line.

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Reply #169 Top
I wrote BoXXi a email, and I tried to explain my childish behavior tonite. I did apoligive.

Baker, I apoligize here to you as well. I've acted like a 3 year old and a fool.

JJ, quit while your ahead. Baker IS a respectable person, listen to him.
Reply #170 Top
Okay admins, if you want to continue to be on my case after the preceding post containing the sincere apology then just end it all and push the button already. I'd rather be exhiled then continue to be flamed.

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Reply #172 Top
Bakerstreet is not an admin, by the way. So don't blame the admins on his account.
Which doesn't mean we don't agree with him, but that's not the issue.

Bakerstreet, if what you say is true, about the price of XP in te US, then Wow! There is a huge price difference with prices here. Here:
XP home: $299.00
XP Pro: $449.00
XP Pro upgrade: $299.00

But yes, $99 is about the right price a OS should be. Hence Microsoft monopoly charging whatever they want because they can.
Reply #173 Top
paxx !!!! dang... that was the price they charged for win2000 here. Way too much to be simply the currency exchange. I wonder why?




jj: you apologized at 4:17:20 AM. Then at 4:31:20 AM when the only person 'at it' was Kona trying to bait Boxxi into posting his IP, you chimed in and equated him to "hacker wannabes in Yahoo! chat".

Why? No one was arguing. How many sites online do you suppose you could make a statement like that and not be banned? I'm not flaming and trolling anyone. You make a statement, I refute it. If the statements are asinine, don't blame me for it, they are yours...

What am I upset about? hmm? What am I disgruntled with? Linux? nope. Apple? nope. MS? nope, nor LS. You guys are the ones constantly, needlessly, trying to make a minority of yourselves. If people are disgruntled, it is with *you* being disgruntled...