Apprentice to World Leader

https://www.wincustomize.com/index.asp?Cmd=about

It might be kinda out of date though

It says that the ability to rate skins is reserved for Journeyman or higher...
It should have been left that way.
A lot of grief could have been avoided.

Jam, now it's apprentice or higher and SB holders.

I'm well aware of that, thank you WOM...
you miss my point I'm afraid.

No I didn't miss the point Jam. I was just stretching it to show everyone what you ment.

That link was quite interesting.

WOM, seeing journeyman next to your name prompted me to put this thread because I was under the impression a person had to be a skinner and yet I don't see any skins for you.

Where are your skins? I clicked on view authors skins and the page was blank, Were they lost?

After reading the page I see you don't have to be a skinner but just a contributor. Or should I say a favorite of the uppers.
Favoritism without significant reason is a bad plague at Wincustomize and IMO that shouldn't be. It is just too political.

Please don't get me started on rating skins The rating system sucks badly and that is all I am going to say except I agree that only journeyman or higher should be able to rate a skin and only after installed and not by a screen-shot.

So... whats with the MR, MS, SIRS, ect.?

I am only using capital letters just to highlight only

Delicious : "Or should I say a favorite of the uppers"...

I am a journeyman also and I still have no idea, who promoted me. So I didn't lick someones feet to get there. >

So You say someone that helps active in forums and newsgroups (which is another way of contributing) isn't the same stage as a skinner' ? Think about it...

No. I think there should be a separate grouping for contributors and skinners.

Why?

Because it is too easy to come to the message board or skin and post whitewashed comments. Not saying anyone in particular does that but just an example.
My point is it is too POLITICAL and that is not right. Do you get the idea I hate politicians? Not only them but those that talk with a fork tounge. Honest straight forward comments are not always welcome but they accomplish more for a positive outcome than a polished untruth.

It's not about making whitewashed comments but about helping people in an active way. I don't think that someone who does 1000 'Nice Skin !' comments will be promoted...

Dear Ms. Delicious,
I see that you are a Master Apprentice. Congratulations.
Now, I, on the other hand, am just an Apprentice. And I think that I too have contributed as much as you have to this site, though all my uploads have been in the more competetive section of Wallpapers (the ones that are moderated the most, I think).
But I do not, in any way, accuse you of buttering the 'higher ups', because I deduce that you have been longer on this site and have since been a regular contributor. Your longer association with WC is one of the many reasons that you are on the verge of becoming a Journeyman (if I am correct about the hierarchy).
Have a nice day and smile a lot. Remember, that it takes 42 (or is it 43?) muscles to frown, but only 17 to smile.

Delicious, don't get stuck into political games. I believe favoritism is showing on this site, and is also not disputed by admins anymore. I didn't check but saw one of your walls or skins get a low rating this week. Please don't get upset and enjoy the making of all your works in the first place. There are a lot of people that do enjoy what you make.

Strangely, fawning to the whims of the admins doesn't get you 'promoted'. We are sufficiently intelligent and savvy to almost be capable of dressing ourselves unaided.
People are 'promoted' due to their 'positive' contribution[s] to this site and its 'community'....not due to toadying up to any one person or another.
If the sum of a person's involvement is antagonistic and/or disruptive then the chances are 'promotion' will be some-what downward.

FYI...the last person I altered the 'status' of was Fuzzy Logic.....due to his positive participation on this board in particular, and as a minor bit of 'cheer' for him with his current predicament.

That ain't 'political'....just a 'good thing'.

Politics is for politicians and arse[ass]holes....and yes, I know....the latter was redundant....

And for WOM in particular, Ms. Delicious. He is somebody, whose opinion I respect. He was the first person to offer me advice on the nature of my submissions. So, personally, I think that he deserves his post, maybe higher (anybody listening??) for his advice and words to new contributors.

Delicious, No I'am not a skinner and probably never will be. I enjoy this site and try and help people with their questions. The questions I can't answer I leave along. I also try and cool things down when things get a little tense. I've been a Journeyman for over a year now and was to embarrassed to use the title as I wasn't a skinner. Elfkura convinced me to use the title by her example. If you have read any of the comments that I've posted on this board, you would have noticed that I don't suck up or take the company line on a lot of things. I'am not as eloquent with words like Jafo and have a tendency to be straight forward. One observation for you to consider: Most of your threads on this board, you are whinning about something or wanting someone to finish your skins. Start thinking positive and things will improve for you.

I totally agree with you, @shu. WOM is one of the few ppl that comment on my posts and has gone as far as sending me congratulatory emails at certain times.

His journeyman status only pointed out to me that my understanding as to the status ranks was not correct. Making this thread is the best way for me to straighten this out.

I would like to point out one more time... A guided missile hits its mark not by positive input but by negative input. Without the negative input no positive change would be made or would take forever to reach.

In other terms, an alpha program would be the final release if there was no positive response from the negative input.

WOM, I asked for collaboration on finishing a skin for one reason. I wanted to finish the one I was doing as my on-line time is unstable. I wanted to make the skin compatible for the new WB and that version doesn't work at all for me. Explorer and IE locks up.
I didn't think I would have the time to finish it before I lost my connection to the web or my utilities. I did upload an unfinished version of it and have no idea if I will ever get to finish it since a new WB version I can use has not been released.
To make a long story short, I liked the skin and didn't want to loose it or not be able to share it and that is why I asked for help. (I still think it is a good skin even though it is rated low) I am upset that no one was available to help out. That and the pressure I experience with the real world has made me very defensive and tired of the bull I encounter every day and that I apologize for.

Thanks for backing me up on this one Ms. Delicious.
I understand your point of view too. But I think, that this thought shouldn't have been put in the harsh and accusatory words you used.
Anyways, best of luck for the future. I hope to see you make some Wallpapers (I am sorry, but I do not use WB or CursorXP and so do not go through the submissions of the same.) But I looked at your work. It is quite good, I liked the Aqua (blue) WB skin in particular. I would have rated it, but I understand your views on that matter. And I had nothing to compare it to.
And I think that you'll back me when I say that there should be more people like WOM, who comment on skins and provide words of valuable encouragement.

@shu- Thank you for your kind words and support.

Delicious- I'am glad you didn't take my comment negitively as that wasn't the purpose. Yes I agree with you. If you don't download the blind and try it, you shouldn't rate it.

Delicious, one doesn't need to skin anything to get promoted. That has been the site's policy ever since it was inaugurated. Getting promoted is a possibility for ANYBODY, whether artist, skinner, programmer, or user.
What we ask of people, is a POSITIVE contribution. One that helps others, one that brings something good to the community. It doesn't have to be skins; it can be advices, it get be opinions, it can be guidance, it can be rip reports. It can be anything, really, as long as the community in general gets something good out of it.

I wonder how many of the visitors knew this.

"I wonder how many of the visitors knew this. "

this wondering is applied to what end?

Visitors don't need to know until they become Citizens.

I wonder why people are wondering about what I'm wondering.... hmmmmmm....