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In memory of September 11th

In memory of September 11th

A tribute

Five years ago on September 11, 2001, 19 men boarded four planes in the United States with the intention of hijacking them and crashing them into important buildings with the hope of killing as many people as possible.

Three of those planes made it to their targets killing over 3,000 people. The fourth one crashed after passengers attempted to retake the plane after learning the fate of the other three planes.

For Americans, September 11th marked a major turning point for how the country viewed the world. For people outside the United States, the choices and response to September 11th has stirred a great deal of debate.  Even within the United States, there is a great deal of disagreement over how best to continue to carry out the response to the terrorist attacks and the growing movement of violent Islamic radicalism.

The people who attacked the United States were part of a terrorist organization called Al Qaeda. A radical Islamic group dedicated to restoring the historic caliphate that once existed from Spain to the far east, Al Qaeda considered the United States as an obstacle to their goals of turning "moderate" Muslim states such as Saudi Arabia and Egypt into fundamentalist Islamic Republics modeled after then Taliban-ruled Afghanistan. Their belief was that if the US presence in the middle east as well as its support of countries such as Saudi Arabia and Israel could be removed that they moved one step closer to their goal. They believed, wrongly, that the US response would be to withdraw its presence from the middle east just as it had done so in Somalia in the mid 1990s.

On this day, we at this site give our thoughts to the families of the men and women who died on that day. And we support the valiant men and women in the armed forces from the United States and other countries who are working to put an end to organizations and movements that support the indiscriminate wholesale annihilation of innocents.

We hope the world does not forget 9/11.  We certainly will not.

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Reply #51 Top
Whoa! People!
These arguments and the airing of political viewpoints and/or conspiracy theories may have its place but it ill behoves any of us to use an atrocity such as that perpetrated 5 years ago to try to make our own personal views known.
I have very definite views about the motives of those in power and the reasons for the conflicts that America and we in the UK are currently embroiled around the world.
Today is one day I would carefully avoid expressing them.
Please try to remember that a lot of innocent people lost their lives on this day and their memory is not well served by such poorly informed argument.
Perhaps I will be labelled as a bleeding heart liberal but I find this bickering at the graveside very undignified.
Reply #52 Top
Heroin Fields in Iraq


I believe he's referring to Afghanistan, but him being a conspiracy theorist, I don't expect him to be big on 'facts.'

While I don't agree with much of what the President has done (or any of it), I recognize that today is the one day that politics and theories and everything should be put aside. For some of you to even think about posting your conspiracy garbage on a post that is supposed to honor and remember those we've lost is incomprehensible to me.

Start another post if you must, but leave this one with it's dignity intact.

Edit: Garibaldi beat me to it.
Reply #53 Top
Adam - maybe now a whole 2 independent sources have said it, that should be enough evidence for the conspiracy theorists!
Reply #54 Top
The irony that all conspiracy theorists will never get/understand is that the reason they can spout their ridiculous notions is because of "The Government". And the two jewels that posted their crap here are typical uneducated children. (22 and 23 years of age) that haven't begun to live a life of any worth. They were in highschool when it happened (or just out) and didn't/still don't have any real experience in a world outside mommy and daddy's protective web. Those punks slept safe at night during those years because of stand up citizens like me and my fellow brothers in arms. I feel they can say anything they want, but they need to use their brains and find an appropriate place to post. Hopefully the admins will remove their posts and all that have anything to do with them, including this one, or move them elsewhere. For craps sake!
Reply #55 Top
I lost a very good friend that day. His name was Steve Richardson. Please stop pissing on his grave.

On this day, we at this site give our thoughts to the families of the men and women who died on that day.


Cheers! RIP Steve.
Reply #56 Top
If I awoke tomorrow morning to discover that there wasn't a single muslim left, in the entire world, I wouldn't shed a tear. Religion, all religions, are the worst thing that ever happened to man.
Reply #57 Top
And the two jewels that posted their crap here are typical uneducated children.


I'm 19. It has nothing to do with age. It has to do with having a sense of morality and respect.
Reply #58 Top
These are links for proof, since you idiots can't look anything up.


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By the way, the "Popular Mechanics" anti-theories and such were proved tottally false and not scientifically sound in a video I watched explaining it all, considering there's been countless hours of evidence showing how the plane could not have downed that huge building, the buildings were infact made to withstand a total at minimum of 3 plane hits, this was one. Jet Fuel also does not burn hot enough to explode the WTC or melt any metal. How does an entire building go down in seconds when other buildings such as in mexico have burnt for days on end and left just a frame, and didn't fall? Explain all this. I can. The weeks before 9/11, the buildings were evacuated many times due to "power outages" and various other occurances, look it up. When they were evacuated, teams were planting demolition charges to down the building on 9/11. This is why if you watch the video CLOSELY, the building blows up level by level like a controlled demolition, and I know it's that, it happens JUST like any other i've seen. Those are some links to start you off, if you want more, please ask.
Reply #59 Top
911 - A Modern Fairy Tale

By Douglas Herman
9-6-6

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Government & Mainstream Media Explanation of How the Twin Towers Fell

Once upon a time in America, the land of opportunity, a group of foreign guys at a Florida strip club said: "Let's get Korans and boxcutters and hijack airplanes and crash them into skyscrapers."

And so they did.

They bought flight manuals and lapdances, Korans and double martinis. They took flight lessons and bad photos. But most of all they flew badly and partied and flunked flight school.

"But how will we deceive NORAD," said one flunky? "And how will we get past airport security," asked another? "And how many millions should we invest in Put Options," said a third?

They discovered that NORAD and the Pentagon would be having some military exercises on the exact same day they chose for their mission. Although several top US officials knew in advance not to fly that day, nobody warned any average citizen.

Next the G-string jihadists outwitted the FBI. They outfoxed the Bureau's top officials by brilliantly exposing their plans to FBI field agents months in advance. The plotters seemed to know that the FBI head honchos would never believe their most patriotic field agents. Instead they would harass these agents long after the plot unfolded.

Next the 19 outlined their plan. "We'll get past Israeli security at Logan airport in Boston by posing as Arab terrorists. We won't even check in or show proper credentials. We'll just go right on through, like ghosts."

And so they did.

But one BIG problem vexed them greatly. How exactly would steel skyscrapers, seven of them, fall down once two aluminum airplanes hit them? So they went bowling and decided that the two airplanes would be like the bowling ball and the WTC buildings would be like the pins.

Still they wondered: How to make these massive towers, built with an enormous inner core to withstand 180 mph hurricanes, engineered to survive the impact of a jumbo jet, actually fall down?

So the 19 flight school dropouts put their minds together and thought and thought. The Newtonian laws of gravity and physics, and the long history of burning steel skyscrapers (None had ever fallen down before--or since) seemed to be against them.

"What if we make the Twin Towers pancake down," said one flunky, with a face full of buttermilk hotcake? The plotters were all eating a pre-dawn breakfast special with their bleary-eyed lapdancers. A group of Iraqi undercover agents, Saddam's finest, had joined them, savoring a short stack of blueberry pancakes. And so the laws of physics and logic waffled that day.

"We can also knock down the CIA headquarters in New York City, demolish the mayor's command post, and wreck the SEC records building while we're at it, crushing the entire building while smacking the structure with a few objects the size of an I-beam" said one bright plotter, remembering his Put Options.

And so they did.

The mighty Pentagon was next to fall. A fortress guarded by many layers of security, the trillion dollar war toy shopping mall seemed impregnable. But not to the 19 G-string jihadists.

They had discovered, by trial and error, that it was mush easier to fly a hijacked jumbo jet with screaming passengers than to control a small Cessna with a calm instructor beside them. The flew those jumbo jets like Blue Angels--except better--pulling ten G's before leveling off and smacking the Pentagon exactly where it had been recently remodeled.

But unfortunately for the G-string jihadists, the Pentagon bigwigs knew months in advance. The Pentagonals even published a report with a hijacked plane exactly in the center. They knew no hijacker could ever score a bull's eye---and they were right.

The flight school dropouts only hit the edge.

But by outflanking, outfighting, and outthinking the combined resources of the Pentagon, CIA, NSA and FBI,, the flight school dropouts had succeeded. Sure, they never received their certification in small planes but they had outfoxed NORAD, Israeli security and the combined resources of the US Air Force in the airspace over America.

And even more amazing: the 19 stripclub afficiandos had engineered their own deaths to look like deaths. Nearly half of them were still alive the next day.

Call it a modern mission impossible. 19 flight school dropouts who couldn't control a Cessna had destroyed seven heavily-insured steel skyscrapers and the recently remodeled wing of the Pentagon, while outwitting airport security, smashing CIA and SEC headquarteras in a 47-story New York skyscraper they hadn't even hit, while devising a brand new scientific "pancake" theory. All while remaining alive and forcing the entire US population to live in terror, utterly taxed for the unforeseeable future, to pay for the trillions in new war toys and security measures, in a fruitless manhunt to find the alleged mastermind.

In conclusion, the 19 boxcutter boyz were either the Ultimate Fighting Champions, or the the above account remains a modern fairy tale, fabricated by the very same people who placed those Put Options and demolition charges and continue to profit today.

USAF veteran and amateur historian, Douglas Herman is the contorversial author of The Guns of Dallas. He recieves mail at [email protected]

Think about it sheeple. Anyone with half a brain knows 911 was an inside job.
Reply #60 Top
These kind of tragic events always brings out the nutters   
Reply #61 Top
First off....let me say I'm very impressed with your sources.
I'm sure Buzzflash has hundreds of reporters and investigators out combing the streets and peeking through windows. Although they don't post one spec of proof, you swallow the load whole. I'm willing to bet, between all of the links you posted there's not 1 investigative reporter or respectable journalist.

The weeks before 9/11, the buildings were evacuated many times due to "power outages" and various other occurances, look it up


Where did you "Look It Up" ? Regurgitation of previously spewed puke is not facts...just more puke.

Just curious fellows.....how do you explain away the fact that Al Jeezera hosted Mr. Bin Laden CLAIMING responsibility for the attack. Maybe he works for the CIA, or maybe Al Jeezera is a USA owned/operated organization........
Reply #62 Top
Anyone with half a brain knows 911 was an inside job.


Couldn't agree more....hopefully one day the other half will start functioning for you.....

Reply #63 Top

I am simply amazed at the things people believe.

Reply #64 Top

Had this been my thread and not Frogboy's I would have removed any and all such comments by the naive and socially inept who have shown exactly zero compassion and/or respect for the lives lost on 9/11.

You people should be ashamed.  Not only do you clearly display your ignorance, you clearly show your contempt for your fellow man during the time/remembrance of his loss/grief.

If the excuse is simply youth/immaturity I'd strongly suggest growing up fast, as you unfairly degrade your contemporaries by association.

Reply #65 Top
For my part in this I apologize. I let it get off topic because I don't suffer fools well.
Reply #66 Top
The tragedy here is that the souls of those who lost their lives will not rest and cry out to us to question the events and investigate what really happened. You can believe the Main Stream Media reports all you like but the fact is that more and more people are waking up and questioning what really happened on that fateful day.

BushCo knows this though and wants to show us again their version of the way things happnened. Too bad that the truth will eventually come out and stun a great many people id wager.
Reply #67 Top

You can believe the Main Stream Media reports all you like but the fact is that more and more people are waking up and questioning what really happened on that fateful day.

The problem is none of you people who are "waking up" provide any factual proof.  Just nonsense and conspiracy theories which hold absolutley no truth at all. 

Reply #68 Top
So much for the pleas for dignity...

Ok conspiracy theorists. I'd like you to answer one question: Why? Why would Bush, or Cheney, or whoever within the government want to plan and carry out the attacks of 5 years ago? To turn 60% of the country against them? To scare people for 8 years? To pass some unconstitutional laws? To get some money? To please Lord Xenu?

There are, in fact, no good reasons why anyone in the government would do this. Any bad things they've done will most likely be reversed after they leave office, and a decent administration comes in. It seems like a lot of work to terrorize the country for 8 years, and then just leave.

Which brings up another point. The government, this administration in particular, is completely incompetent to carry these attacks out. The attacks themselves took years to work out, and if the government planned it, it would have taken more years, and hundreds, if not thousands of people. Come on, these are the guys who can't handle a hurricane. They go into a war based on manipulation and fabrication, and can't even carry that out successfully. This is the first war with tax cuts. (For only the rich, no less.) Everything these guys do goes to the crapper, and there is no way I'd believe they'd be able to carry out these attacks, and not have it backfire or not have whistleblowers come out.

I'm sure you guys have a full grasp of engineering and physics to explain why the towers couldn't come down with out explosives. But if you don't, virtually the entire scientific community that has researched and looked into the attacks have concluded there were no explosives, the the towers came down as a result of the impact. (Of course there are a couple of professors and engineers to are into this conspiracy theory, but there are also biologists who believe in Creationism, or climate scientists who don't think global warming is happening at all. You can't just listen to the extremes or exceptions, and ignore everything else.)

I really didn't want to have to discuss this, especially here, but the theorists seem not to have any respect. If I'm out of place for arguing, please forgive me, and I don't mind if this post is deleted.
Reply #71 Top
MY THANKS GOES OUT TO THOSE WHO AGREE WITH ME. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE STILL IN THE DARK AND BELIEVE WHAT THE "OFFICIAL" STORY WAS, WATCH THIS AND THEN I'LL ACCEPT YOUR CRITICISM. AT LEAST HAVE THE COURAGE TO INFORM YOURSELF. ONCE AGAIN MY HEART AND SOUL GOES OUT TO ALL THE LIVES LOST ON 9/11.....HERE'S THE LINK.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726

INFORMATION IS POWER.
Reply #72 Top
so is disinformation it seems in your eyes
Reply #73 Top
PICHIN and White Wolf. As a former USAF Sergeant and now a VP running global infrastructure for a major comapny, I find your assessment of the military IQ both insulting and inaccurate. The fact is that the IQ of the average soldier is irrelevant in war time. It's the size of their heart and commitment to freedom that matters. Where is yours? Have some respect...

Lastly... And everyone else, please forgive me here...

Can you do us all a favor and give us one link (just one) that you visited that challenged the information your presenting? Can you prove that you have objectively looked at all sides. Can you cite one opinion contrary to the views presented?

A long time ago people were killed because they said the earth wasn't at the center of the universe even though they were right. There are also still people today who can cite "scientific proof" that it is and they say we are all nuts.

Which are you?
Reply #74 Top
Two years ago one of my dear friends
told me what it was like the night he ran to his
buddy and tried to hold the top of his head together
so that his brain wouldn't slosh out. They were
caught in the middle of the Viet Nam war and
an explosion had hit nearby.
It still gave him nightmares in 2004.

There wasn't much I could say so
I let him cry and I cried with him.

Last year, I met a lady from New York.
She was studying to become an assistant
pastor for her church. It seems the fear
and suffering felt by everyone on that 9/11
had made her accutely aware of people's pain.
Indeed, I could feel hers as she told me of that day.
She had only recently come to grips with it and
wanted to help others.

She still cries when she describes that day.
I could only listen and cry with her.

Recently, I watched an innocent muslim woman who had lost her
young children in a bombing in Iraq that everyone said
was necessary because the insurgents were hiding in a house nearby.

I saw her pain, I knew that she would never get over it.

These are all our brothers and sisters of the world.
There is nothing that can justify any of this suffering.

I pray for them one and all.


Bill
Reply #75 Top
This is long, feel free to skip it.

The Popular Mechanics article is a great report. I hope some of these insensitive - ahem - 'ill-informed' people would take a look at it before spouting their political, biggot, conspiracy theories. I have something to add to that about the two building's demise, which i hope should give people comfort as it did me, to learn the how's and why's. It seems appropriate, to help dispell rumors.

In a conventional skyscraper, the iron structure is a grid of columns and beams. The higher the building, the more weight the structure needs to bear, and the more columns are used. If you look at the Empire State Building, its floors are a mass of columns. The design of the two towers was very innovative. In fact it was revolutionary. The designer saught to free up floor space by taking all those columns out of the floor space, and placed them in to the external wall. The vertical lines running up the side of the towers were not facade - those were the MANY iron columns doubled up on the out-side walls. The core of the building was linked t othe external wall by horizonal 'vvvv' shaped trusses. The weight was thus trasferred from many columns in the middle, to a reinforced outside wall, and ther result was office space free of the clutter of columns.

Sound weak? it's not.. the buildings structure was designed to be strong enough to hold the weight of the building, and also be able to take the impact of an airplane - the largest plane at the time, the B767.

When the planes hit the buildings, there was a massive explosion from the jet fuel, the building's shook and swayed, but the building's structure held. The designer's plan had worked. However there was something that was not taken in to account - fire.

Steel is sprayed with foam fireproofing. However, the impact of the planes simply blew the fireproofing off of the steel, like blowing dust off of a table top. The steel was now exposed to fire, and not just the fire from jet fuel. This was an office - there was paper, furniture - fabrics and chemicals which burn hot. It was this raging fire on open steal that did not melt but became weakend. The trusses linking the building's core to the external steel were fastened - not poorly or incorrectly but - relatively lightly. The trusses weakend and began to fall from btween the core and external wall. As these horizonal trusses began to fall, the exterior wall, bearing the weight of the floors above, began to pull away from the core, and the structure was compromised. The supporting steel, now disconected from the core, could not take the weight of the upper floors, and they pancaked - when a floor loses its support and falls to the floor below it, which can not take the extra weight, and itself collapses. Notice on replays that the building collapsing downward pours out at the sides.

The 2nd tower to be hit fell first. It wasn't burning as long. But it was hit far lower in the structure. The structure had to bear the weight of more floors, and was compromised sooner.

By the way - gravity pulls all things falling down at the same pace. Drop a bolling ball and a book from a plane and, excluding wind resistance on their round vs flat surfaces, they will hit at the same time.

The collapse of the structure was not the only excuse for loss of life. People had some time to get out. But there was a problem with the way the towers - and a lot of buildings - were designed. The core, the central block housing elevaters and emergency stair towers, was surrounded by fire retardant drywall - sheetrock. However the impact of the planes blew this drywall clear away - like the fireproofing - exposing the stairs to fire. Also, the planes sheared through the core. Anyone above the impact floors had no way to get down.

Buildings now are being designed in different ways.

For the last several years i've worked for a construction management company. I was in marketing, but i had access to a lot of interesting materials. In addition, my father is the engineer responsible for 1701 JFK Blouvevard ( Comcast Center ) in Philadelphia - which at 1007 ft will be the tallest building between new york and chicago. This tower was re-designed in direct response to the two towers.

The building has a concrete core. Not steal covered in drywall. It is a grid of 52 inch thick walls, and every day after it's been poured, it continues to get harder and harder. ( "Dad, if it's so strong, how will you ever take it down in 100 years? You don't. ) You can ram a plane in to it. You can blast it at the base. You can not punch through it. If a plane were to hit it and/or a terrible fire ensued, by the time the steel was weakened enough to collapse, everyone in the building could be inside the core safetly making their way down the stair towers. The building would collapse, and you were see this ominous concrete pillar towering over the city ( it already is ).

In addition to things like a concrete core, fireproofing has been enhanced since 1975 - with great improvements in the last couple years. It doesn't blow off from impact, and it resists greater temperatures over longer periods of time. Most buildings also do not use trusses like the two towers did.

I hope this helps some people understand what happened...