The Future of WinCustomize.com...

Changes are coming...

Some changes are coming to WinCustomize.com.  Big changes.  But before we get to that, for those of you who haven't been here from the start, let me give you a brief history of WinCustomize.com...

...In the beginning the dot-com collapse of 2000 has knocked out many of the sites in our "skinning" community.  Many of us feared that it would be the end of our community. So in early 2001, Stardock quickly put together WinCustomize.com.  The idea at the time was that Stardock would provide the servers and bandwidth and community volunteers would take care of everything else.  That didn't work out so well and within the first month of the site's development, T-Man, a Stardock developer, had been put in charge of the site's development (which he continues to this day) and I came on as the primary administrator.  So that when the site was launched in March 2001, Stardock was taking care of the bandwidth, the servers, site coding, and overall site direction.  However, community volunteers did come to the rescue in the form of people like Jafo (and many others over time) who essentially take care of WinCustomize on a day to day basis.

But over time, the "skin" community has changed.  Despite skinning becoming increasingly popular, no major skin sites have been launched since 2001 (other customization-oriented sites have launched but no major gallery sites).  Moreover, since 2001, some of the existing skin sites have essentially gone on auto-pilot.  The skinning community, at its prime, was something to behold.  But it is not what it once was in my opinion. It is fractured and dispersed.

Meanwhile, traffic at WinCustomize.com has continued to grow and grow:

   
Figure 1: Traffic per month

At the same time, the # of subscriptions per month has declined and declined:


Figure 2: Subscriptions per month

So as a community of sites, we're at a cross-roads.  As someone who wants the skinning community (people who like to create and use "stuff" to alter the way their computer interfaces look & feel) to thrive, I want to do something that can help the community return to where it was.  But I'm also in the position of being in charge of Stardock.  The business case on WinCustomize has always been pretty weak.  The most profitable thing to do historically has been to close WinCustomize and just point to deviantART libraries of skins and themes for Stardock's software.  But at this point, closing WinCustomize.com would be a true last resort because a single site, deviantART, which is primarily an art site now, not a skin site, would have a virtual monopoly on skinning content (that's not to take away from Skinbase and other very good skin sites, but we're talking purely in terms of monthly traffic).

We're at a cross-roads then.  We have to get WinCustomize to a point where it can pay for itself.  I think the key to this is helping bring the skinning community back to its prime.  That means more community features, more galleries, more bandwidth, more programming, more of everything.  But to do this, it's going to cost money. Even with the people who volunteer, we still have to code the site, pay the bandwidth and the size of the site means that we need more people who's jobs are dedicated to the site.

So we've brought on two new people: Mike Bryant who many of you know.  He'll be creating some exclusive suites this year for WinCustomize subscribers.  We also have brought on WishX to help organize and keep the sites running, to interface more directly with the community volunteers.  And we hope to hire more ASP.net and SQL database developers to add in new features for people.  But to do this it's going to cost money. A lot of money.  Stardock writes most of the cost of WinCustomize off as "marketing".  But even today, WinCustomize costs many hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to run.  These changes are going to add dramatically to that cost. 

So later today, we're going to launch a subscription drive.  Our hope is to get 2,000 new (or renewed) subscribers between now and October 31st.  We'll be keeping you all informed of our progress. With 22 million visitors (over 3 million of whom are unique), getting 2,000 people to subscribe or renew shouldn't be a major problem we hope.  But we'll see.  We'll have more details on the subscription drive and what subscribers will be getting for sure and what they'll get IF we make the 2,000 goal.

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I'll for sure keep my subscription.
Reply #2 Top
Perhaps to lower the ammount of bandwidth used, WC should start being more "selective" in the skins, themes, wallpapers, and other library it offers. Or maybe more selective in its users. Perhaps requiring that ALL account be cross-referenced with WC product subscriptions, or at least serverly limiting the ammount of features to users that only contribute an email address. Just a thought, maybe a bad one...
Reply #3 Top
my subscription expires in like 3 weeks i'll be renewing though - i love this place!!
Reply #4 Top
I'd renew right now, except that I already renewed through next summer I am very psyched about premium content from Mike Bryant - that ought to be reason enogh for people to join - his work rocks
Reply #5 Top
I would tend to agree that a premium content area for subscribers would be helpful. I'll certainly be subscribing to keep the site alive!!
Reply #6 Top
my subscription is a week old! does it count?
Reply #7 Top
But at this point, closing WinCustomize.com would be a true last resort


...Let's hope it NEVER comes to that!

Hope this drive gets it at least on the right track...
Reply #8 Top
Well, count me in for a subscription....just bought one.

And congrats Wish on the new job.
Reply #9 Top
dang! september 30th is today but after discovering this site i couldn't wait to subscribe! i hope it helps out any way! i would say it's a great comunity to be a part of! realy nice people here and i'm glad to be a part of it!
Reply #10 Top
...just a thought on the subscription price..

you might consider the "fast nickle, slow dime" approach... $20 to renew might be a bit steep for those who flock here to download Windowblinds skins and other Stardock products only.

I would suggest an annual $5 subscription for everyone except those who contribute XX amount of new skins, themes etc. Maybe you could issue credits for quality uploads.
Lastly, for those who buy Object Desktop, suggest a $2 donation. I'd pay that without question.

... just thoughts...
Reply #11 Top
When I purchased Windowblinds I was asked to cross-reference my Stardock info with my Wincustomize info. Is this different than having an actual subscription? If so, what is the difference? I'm sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but I'm a little confused.
Reply #12 Top
Buying a Stardock product doesn't make one a WinCustomize subscriber.  It's a seperate thing.  Stardock customers get additional benefits on WinCustomize however.
Reply #13 Top
Im up for renewing my subscription soon, so count me in
Reply #14 Top
I'm in, too
Reply #15 Top
Change is good, and I am always impressed with the communication by Stardock and WinCustomize. Letting us know what to expect, and why, makes us feel part of the loop, involved, and respected.
It'll be neat to watch the drive progress, another stat to check.
Reply #16 Top
Payday is today for me
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Even though my subscription has not expired yet, I recently renewed it. I haven't made any skins yet but I have fun just making my computer look different. I set my wallpaper, windowblind,and wigets to suit my mood. Sometimes more than once a day. Now is a good time to thank all you skiners for the fun and enjoyment you give me. I think you are all great and would just hate it if you went away. Maybe some day I will try my hand at skinning who knows. However I do have one question even though I just renewed my subscription, the expiration date on stardock central shows it expires Feb 2006 the date has not been updated. Or maybe I am just looking at the wrong place???? Keep up all the great work.....
Reply #18 Top
Change is good, and I am always impressed with the communication by Stardock and WinCustomize. Letting us know what to expect, and why, makes us feel part of the loop, involved, and respected.


I totally agree -- I paid a subscription for a particular unnamed site only to have them change policy and offer very little in terms of new products to their customers...and there hasn't been an official update on their situation in at least six months.
Keeping us in the loop, that earns extra respect from me
Reply #19 Top
I suppose my question would be this: What can those of us do whose subscriptions don't expire for another 9-10 months? Other than renewing almost a year early that is . Do any of the premium suites, etc. help out WC, or just Stardock in general? I would love to be part of helping the community, but am unsure of what could be done.
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Isn't much of the business justification for wincustomize.com is as an advertising venue for Stardock products? Or does Stardock expect to list advertising on the on the "income" side of the ledger rather than an "expense"?

How many copies of windowblinds or iconpackager would Stardock sell if wincustomize went away? What would Stardock's profit margin be if talented artists didn't freely (for the most part) provide content for their products?
Reply #21 Top
How many copies of windowblinds or iconpackager would Stardock sell if wincustomize went away? What would Stardock's profit margin be if talented artists didn't freely (for the most part) provide content for their products?


These questions get brought up regularly, when people are asked to support this site with something real.

My question to you: Considering everything that's available here, why would you not want to support it for the miniscule price of ONE dinner in a not very expensive restaurant?
Reply #22 Top
I have been a member of Stardock Studio for over 5 years and love the product. The fact that other people give me the opportunity to change my look weekly or monthly is great. It makes working on a computer everyday easier and more enjoyable.

If you have to raise the price 10.00 a subscription. I know you will get allot of heat for this but I would hate not being able to get all the different faces for my screen.

I have and hope to enjoy your products for many years to come.
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Isn't much of the business justification for wincustomize.com is as an advertising venue for Stardock products? Or does Stardock expect to list advertising on the on the "income" side of the ledger rather than an "expense"?

How many copies of windowblinds or iconpackager would Stardock sell if wincustomize went away? What would Stardock's profit margin be if talented artists didn't freely (for the most part) provide content for their products?

If you had read what I wrote, Stardock does write off much of the cost of WinCustomize as marketing.  However, at >$300k per year in costs, there are a LOT more effective ways to advertising.

Stardock could point to deviantART.com and send customers there to download skins and themes.  And work something out on dA where it promoted Stardock's stuff more heavily. It would be a lot cheaper. 

Stardock's willing to pay the bulk of the costs.  But not all. WinCustomize doesn't NEED to support other program skins. It doesn't NEED to have forums.  It doesn't NEED personal pages. It doesn't NEED to have commenting and news, and articles and other database intensive.  Even if Stardock decided not to go with a deviantART type solution, it could just have Stardock.com based skin libraries that are simply a listing of new skins.  That IS an option. 

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How many copies of windowblinds or iconpackager would Stardock sell if wincustomize went away?

Probably the same amount less the thousand of free skins that you get here.

What would Stardock's profit margin be if talented artists didn't freely (for the most part) provide content for their products?

I think the question would be, how much more money would you HAVE to spend to buy the graphic programs to create YOUR own skins.
Reply #25 Top
No, its not that you don't receive anything of value in return, it just seems odd for a company to ask its clients to pay for its marketing expenses. This appeal for subscriptions comes off like a PBS fundraiser, "for the community", when it is a private company offering specific benefits for a price. I'm a Stardock customer, but I don't find any of the listed benefits of subscription appealing enough to part with the cash. True, wincustomize shutting down would hurt, but I consider it odd to portray Stardock's monetary support of the site as a benevolent favor to the community.