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Say "No" to fur......

Say "No" to fur......

I have slowly been going back to being a vegetarian over the past year, and have finally been on it for about 2 months.  I eat a vegetarian diet for health reasons.  However, with doing so, it's hard not to start seeing the ethical side of the meat and fur industry.

This article could be labeled as adult content due to the video that I am about to link to.  It is a video that greatly disturbs me.  It shows an animal being skinned alive for fur. If you have a weak stomach, or get nightmares easily, please do not watch it.  It is implied that it will be used for J.Lo's fur line.  This is the link:

http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=j_lopez&feat=j_lopez&pos=fp1

There is no reason for modern man to use fur.  Fur is nothing more than a useless luxury.  Animals are raised specifically for fur and killed in brutal ways before their hide is harvested.  The bodies of these animals are typically not even used for food (unlike cow hide).

But, I have a much wider ethical issue with fur and the mass slaughters in the meat industry.  If people become numb to killing animals in violent ways, or harvesting hides from living animals, is it really that big of a stretch to start doing harmful things to humans?  If a person can club a screaming, helpless animal to death, what keeps them from stepping over the line and doing it to a human? (There is a book called "slaughterhouse" that talks in depth on the meat industry and also talks to some of the people who left the meat industry after being desensitized to the violence. You can read excerpts of the book at: http://www.goveg.com/feat/r-shouse3.html  However, make sure you don't read it when eating or directly after eating.....)

These fur farms are typically not in the US, so we can't exactly enforce any laws.  However, we can stop the need for the farms by simply not buying fur.

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Reply #26 Top
I get what you're saying fine Karma. Basically, as long as you can justify it, it's ok. If it is something you just wouldn't do, it's not.

"He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant (who is a German Philosopher, if you don't recognize the name)


I have to disagree with Mr. Kant here. The most devout animal lover I have ever known, is on parole from a 5 to life prison sentence, for "indecent acts with a minor".

The ironic thing about you and I in this thread is, we usually agree and get along more that this thread would make it seem.

Reply #27 Top

The ironic thing about you and I in this thread is, we usually agree and get along more that this thread would make it seem.

Yeah, well how am I supposed to be a points whore if I don't fight with somebody now and then?

Reply #28 Top
"He who is cruel to animals becomes hard also in his dealings with men. We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant (who is a German Philosopher, if you don't recognize the name)


I have to disagree with Mr. Kant here. The most devout animal lover I have ever known, is on parole from a 5 to life prison sentence, for "indecent acts with a minor".


Just for the sake of participating in an argument (), ParaTed, you are talking about the inverse of what Kant said. He didn't say, because you are good to animals you are good with mankind.

I am not against eating meat or using animal products but I must say I absolutely can't understand how sick you must be to skin an animal alive. There is just no explaination for that! You have to have some worms crawling around in your head to do something like that!

I have never had any interest in fur. I have no use for PETA either. They rarely go about things in a reasonable manner and often show animals more respect than people.

The cruelty part is what needs to be done away with. The wastefulness is upsetting but my main concern is the cruelty. I think that is KG's main concern too.
Reply #29 Top
Yeah, well how am I supposed to be a points whore if I don't fight with somebody now and then?


Happy to participate in your whoring!! ;~D
The cruelty part is what needs to be done away with. The wastefulness is upsetting but my main concern is the cruelty. I think that is KG's main concern too.


Agreed, even as a hunter, fisherman (and one who ran a trapline when I was young), I don't agree with outright cruelty either. But it was a fun discussion!!!
Reply #30 Top
Good show ParaTed!