There is, if nothing else a simple, practical, logical reason. Incompatibility. Check your pants.

That's as crude as I get in the blog. Probably because honestly, I don't read four pages of comments.

I know it's been stated here before, but I don't recall any responses.

No, your argument is that the fact that nobody would CHOOSE to be ostracized PROVES that homosexuals are born that way. My argument is that, no it doesn't.

I haven't been aroused by animals or young children either, stubby. That doesn't mean that people who ARE aroused by them are "born that way".

If your going to respond to my comments I would really appreciate you reading them twice. This putting words in mouth to a complete misreading is getting tiresome. I said homosexuality is not a choice, I never said for certain your born gay. It could very well be a trauma or some event at a very young age although no correlation has ever been shown it's still possible. However if there is some trauma that causes homosexuality it's still not a choice. If your sexually abused as a child there are almost always some psychological problems including a dysfunctional sex life, although it's been shown that it doesn't make you more likely to be gay. But in ether the trauma or it's consequences were choices made. For a choice to be made there has to be some control, you cannot make a choice about something that is out of your control. If your attracted to men you cannot will yourself to not be attracted to men anymore than you or I could will ourselves to not be attracted to women. There are no psychological treatments that have been shown to change sexual orientation. the various x-gay programs can do nothing but teach gays to resist and basically live a life of celibacy. They still have same sex attractions and even the ones that marry are not sexually attracted to their wives. Several psychological organization have condemned the practice because it has been shown to very harmful with suicide rates among participants skyrocketing. The various Christian organizations ignore this because they think there saving souls and maybe they are but I think it's appalling. There's a website here that's basically supported by gay Christians who have been through the ex-gay program that I urge you lulapilgrim and erathoniel to read it.

http://members.aol.com/exgaynomad/index.htm

So what you're saying is "homosexuality is wrong cuz of the bible, but I dunno where it says its wrong, I'm just doing what they tell me".  Do you really feel comfortable saying that?  I mean is it really that hard to read and find out for yourself waht it is you believe?  You know in some places in the bible like leviticus, slavery is allowed.  You should really be careful where and how you interpret things. 

I believe it is wrong. There are multiple reasons. I have a life and choose not to blog 24/7. Which means that I cannot provide evidence for everything. Search yourself. I also believe that the Biblical interpretation of slavery, by the way, is different from ours. I'll post on that later. The article I discuss it in will be on the year of Jubilee. Take a guess.

I think the scriptures written in the bible were written in a time when everyone was running around fornicating with each other, and it was fine because in most cases it was men using women for what they were meant for.  Fornication!  But we live in a day and age when sex is just simply sex, and homosexuality is NOT a vile and disgusting act.  I believe if two conesnting adults want to fornicate with each other whether its a man screwing a woman or a man screwing a man, its up to them.  No one in the world we live in today is going to heaven anyway, so you might as well have fun fornicating however, and with whomever you like in the meantime.  I say SCREW IT!

Global warming, terrorism, evolution and homosexuality are four subjects that if you write about and leave comments on your asking JU for a debate. Don't get all pissy when your expected to back up your claims on any of these subjects. Write about what you did last weekend or leave comments off if you want to just inform us of your thoughts.

I've got a question. We can argue on how homosexuality is not wrong. But how is it better than celibacy?

Let's throw that round the other way. Why is celibacy better than sex? In my experience celibacy tends to focus the mind on sex, so it's not exactly a productive avenue for future growth. You may as well accept that sex is a complicated need and let yourself meet it every once in a while, just like you might accept a complicated need for various other obsessions.

Or more simply - neither is better than the other and straight sex isn't any more noble than the other two. Each is practised between consenting adults, so really if it meets your needs and doesn't hurt anyone else, go for it.

But nobody gets STD's from celibacy, just as almost nobody gets STD's from monogamy (or other methods, but I'm against those too.).

KFC:

 

Oh my science...the irony is palpable.  If he has to use scripture as a guide, then they aren't his thoughts.  To have a foundation of "his own" it needs to be...of "his own," no?

 

Maybe I'm amiss here, but it seems like you're suggesting he think for himself by using the thoughts of others you approve of.

Yes. I agree. You are amiss.

We are to have the mind of Christ. We are also always to be ready to give an answer for why we believe using and knowing the scriptures (which have stood the test of time) to do so. That's all I was saying to Erathoniel.

Wow...I just read all four pages.  With the exception of Zoo and Stubby (edit: and Texas who I love dearly but forgot she left comments on page 1)...you guys are totally gay.

 

Why do you care, Christians?  Is it because you're concerned for the welfare of others that might get some horrible disease due to the irreverant gay folk?  Well can't you see that the only people that are going to get diseases from the irreverant gay folk are other irreverant gay folk?  So why do you care?

 

Does it offend your oh so noble sensibilities?  Is it the image of a woman with arms and legs entangled with another woman or a man inserting his penis into the out door of another man that makes your sensibility gag with disgust?

 

These are people, damn you all.  Whether or not they were born that way or chose it is completely irrelevant.  It isn't your place to judge (or did that line of your sacred book get suddenly erased?)

 

And for a Christian to feign concern about the health of others is the greatest hypocrisy possible.  Let's have another witch burning, shall we, Christian?  Millions of innocent women burned at the stake because some half cracked nutjob, much like your self righteous selves, thought that humans were performing magic of some sort.  How is this different?

 

You scripturalists are fascists.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Leave people alone.  If they go to hell, then they go to hell.  You aren't God, and we don't want or need you to BE God, so knock it the heck off.  Look at that...I had to use "heck" instead of what I really thought because some brainless religion infected zombie might be offended by a different configuration of glyphs that aligned themselves into a four lettered pronouncement. 

 

How sad that you're so weak minded.  How sad for decent gay people, how sad for humanity.  You'd sacrifice decent human beings on a cross built on a principle....you oughta be familiar with that scenario...maybe not repeating it would be wise.  But wisdom is the last thing I expect from you.

I never prosecute anyone for their beliefs. Basically you're taking my statement of why something is wrong, from a non-judgemental standing, and using it to judge me. You do realize that you are being a hypocrit, right?

If "guys" includes me (as lula's a gal), thank you, OCK, for noticing. I certainly am happy and merry most of the time.  Hope you are too  

I missed that. HA! I get called that a lot. I find it wierd that people, knowing what I believe can use that as an insult while not finding anything wrong with the discrimination. I at least say homosexuality, as I find it to be less offensive to some parties.

Perhaps you missed what I said in reply #25 that addresses your question.

The dieseases and misery from having those isn't confined to those practicing homosexuality.




Besides these, is the fact that homosexuals who knowing they are infected with disease even HIV/AIDS, donate to blood and sperm banks.

Would you like to personally receive such blood or have your family members receive it?

Don't they screen that stuff? I'm never getting a transfusion again. Unless I'm dying. (Irony being that you only get one if you're dying, figures nicely.)

Well, some are already saying homosexuality isn't wrong just not in those exact words. that...and by bringing in moral element, then comes moral relativism.

Today's values are filled with moral relativism.

What used to be called moral irresponsibility is now called being freed up.

Being celibate or practicing chastity is now called having neurotic inhibitions or an unhealthy repression!

What used to be called a living in sin is now called an alternative lifestyle.

The practice of Sodomy used to be against all federal and state law; now it is taught in schools, grades K through 12th as equal to sexual practice within traditional marriage. schools prostelyising homosexuality: Hey, school kids don't knock it till you've tried it....don't forget your condom! See ya! (psst, psst..here they put Planned Parenthood's interest first and our children's last or not considered at all.)

Then, sex was a personal word and homosexual was an unheard of word

What used to be called depravity is now called creative self-expression.

What used to be called ethical anarchy is now called the theology of liberation.

Yes, they absolutely do their best screening, but the problem is that the person who is donating must be truthful in the questionairre. I understand the question is: have you engaged in same-sex sex since 1977?

Also, if someone is going to have surgery and there is enough time, then provisions can be made for your family members or you yourself to give the blood ahead of time...this is the best of scenarios.

Wow Ock, your bias against Christians is palpable.

I can see you just don't get it. We're not out to get anybody. We are tired of being forced to accept what has been wrong and considered until 1973 a phychiatric disorder. We don't care who does what with whom. I don't have a problem with the person....I have a problem with the program.

When they teach our children in the school system that this is perfectly ok and force us to tolerate sinful behavior we have EVERY right to say it's wrong and and against nature. Twenty years ago we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Everyone was in pretty much TOTAL agreement.

What has changed?

Where is your tolerance for the Christians?

OCk,

We are judging and measuring homosexuality, not the individual.

I oppose homosexuality for a variety of solid reasons, my faith being one, common sense, logic and basic understanding of the human anatomy the others.

I agree with what Lula says. We aren't judging individuals, we're condemning the sin. Also, some of the comments are so vulgar they are seriously risking deletion. I keep these articles free of adult content for a reason. I do not want to have to flag them as adult, and will delete comments to prevent this from happening.

Voice your opinion, but do not be obscene.

 

I find your entire thought process to be obscene, and you don't.  Know what that proves?  Obscenity is subjective.

So.  Feel free to excise me.  I looked up the definitions of some of the stronger words that I used and found the definitions to be true and fitting.  I wanted to make absolutely sure I was using the right words.  The "totally gay" thing was a play on the vernacular of modern day language and was/will be humorous to some - as it was meant to be.  That it was lost on some others was not only not surprising, it was infinitely predictable. 

 

And after all,  it's not that truth would concern you any...if it doesn't go with your belief system, it matters not a whit if it's true or not. 

 

So cut me brother.  Just another excision in a very long line of them.  You're in good company!  So you subjectively think...