Basically, if God wanted us to be homosexual, he would've made only one gender.

You can't just admit that promiscuity alone is the reason?

The strongest desire in all humans is the desire to be loved and accepted. If you look at the personalities of gays you'll see behaviors like trying to entertain and to be the life of the party all suggest that love and acceptance are high on their list as well. I think people are incapable of choosing a behavior that they know would make them an outcast unless their desire for that behavior is so strong that they have no choice.  

That's the thing, no matter your opinion on whether or not they're making a choice, from their point of view they had no choice. No more choice than what taste good or their personality type. they simple succumbed to desires they could not control. How is that so much worse than when heterosexuals do it?

If god didn't want homosexuals, razor sharp bones in the anus would have done the trick.

Well people say that about many things...."I had no choice, he made me so mad." We could be talking about many sins here. Anger, murder, lying, stealing etc.



I would agree and say it is. Sin is sin no matter the gender or two genders involved.

Well...I can't argue with that.

~Zoo

puh-leeeze!

You might as well say if God didn't want us to murder each other he wouldn't have given us hands and arms to do so. Because he did, we are allowed to do whatever we wish with our limbs....even if it means to hurt one another.

...or make chocolate soldiers out of our weinies.  


(sorry, the devil made me post that.  :p)

My eyes. They burn.

What he meant is we have free will, which is why we can even have this discussion. Don't ask how pre-destined fate meets free will. He knows what will happen, and it hurts Him when he knows that we will, no matter what, sin. See "Minority Report".

are you still playing with your toy soldiers Roy?

I think it's time to grow up!    

That hurt me worse. Way worse.

  That's hilarious.

 

By the way...I've just realized that a "religious opinion" isn't really your opinion.  It's the opinion of whoever wrote that book. (Hint: it was probably some guy)

I find it interesting that people can be so prejudiced towards someone just because they read in a book that it's bad.  Have you guys ever interacted with gay people?  They're really not all that different from us heteros...aside from taking it in the butt.  Ah, but we should never question what's in the Bible...no matter how outdated and idiotic that it seems, that would be a free thinkin' kind of society...can't have that with our closed minded Christianity. 

Love and acceptance of people no matter who they are or persecuting homosexuals because they like the butt sex...which one is more important?

~Zoo

Zoo,

First of all, it's not just any book....that book happens to be God's Word. God tells us the truth becasue He can neither deceive or be deceived. The truth is---there is something very wrong with the practice of homosexuality and all the other forms of promiscuous sex.

In the Scriptural passages I cited above we see that God has, from the very beginning, defined the dimensions of right and wrong in immutable terms. He has always told us to love our neighbor as well as our enemies, but He gives us no authority to sanction or approve a person's actions or behavior that Scripture clearly defines as sinful.

Now just for an exercise...keeping in mind we are talking a person's actions, behavior...we read also in the Good Book that thievery is wrong, sinful and can never be approved of..

Take your sentence and apply that "someone" to a thief instead of the homosexual person.

VERY weak argument, stubbyfinger. People choose outcast lifestyles all the time. Are we going to extend your argument to say that pedophiles are born that way? What about those who practice bestiality? While I am not equating homosexuality with either activity, it does go to show that the argument of "why would someone choose an outcast's lifestyle" is faulty.

Your stereotype of homosexuals as being universally loving, kind, and accepting is equally faulty. I've heard the choice words they have for others who don't choose their lifestyle. I am also aware that they contemptuously refer to heterosexuals as "breeders" as if we should be considered a lesser class of citizen. The myth of the lovable femme is just that, a myth, and you should be ashamed of yourself for perpetuating it.

Now, if you said that the activities are between consenting adults and that the law has no right to go into their bedroom, I would agree with that. But don't try to use myths and unsupported statements to say something that doesn't necessarily follow.

zoologist,

You are the hypocrite of hypocrites!

And I think you KNOW why I said that!

"Closed-minded" religious people are persecuting homosexuals? Really? How?

Lula posts:

leauki posts: #20

We don't have to wait 10 or 20 years....Denmark pioneered same-sex unions in 1989. The stats are there...and we would be wise to take notice.

Thievery hurts other people.  Being gay...not sure how that hurts anyone.

 

Oh?  I don't recall persecuting anyone based on who they are.  Now, based on what they do...well, that's a different story.  I hold people accountable for their own actions, especially when it affects other people.

By protesting their very existence, pretty much.

~Zoo

Right. And every comment here has been about homosexual BEHAVIOR, zoologist.

That, by definition, is "what they do"!



Nope, not protesting their existence, but refusing to sanction their behavior. They can do as they choose. But we're not going to teach it as a virtue.

The fact is, zoologist, it's not about what you or I think, but what God says. He's got the final word on this one.

The title says, "homosexuality." The opposite of heterosexuality, which is more of a state of being, rather than "something someone does." You may say "I am a heterosexual", not "I behave as a heterosexual", right?



No one's teaching it as a virtue. I don't see it that way, but merely the way someone is. You can't change it and there's no point in getting so worked up over who they decide to have sex with.

Viewing someone's very existence as a "problem" when they aren't hurting anyone and saying that somehow just by existing they tear at the fabric of moral righteousness somehow seems a little over the top to me.

~Zoo

Actually, yes, it is being taught as a virtue by many educators and "experts".



Largely because you consider the Bible "just a book". I agree that the OP should read the Bible and research his position, but I also KNOW when you read the Bible that it has quite a bit to say about homosexual behavior.

The argument is in no way faulty your just not getting it. Have you ever seen a grown man naked? If you were sexually aroused, just like a heterosexual is at the sight beautiful naked woman, then your gay. Having been an athlete in school I've seen plenty of naked men in the locker room, never once was I aroused, so for me it's very easy to not choose a lifestyle that made my life much more difficult, and I could never choose not be attracted to women, could you? Homosexuals for whatever reason find other men sexually attractive and are not sexually attracted to women, what is so hard to understand about that?  A pedophile for whatever reason finds kids sexually attractive, it is a behavior that society cannot tolerate for obvious reasons but gays are not hurting anyone.

Point is no one could choose to be gay if they were not attracted to the same sex.

The rest of your comment has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote. 

Ok, by this answer I understand better where you are coming from...

and this is where the distinction must be made...

The person with the homosexual inclination are persons, like you and me, with an inviolable dignity...I support them by love and prayer.

It's the homosexual activity, the homosexual conduct called "homosexuality"---look it up in the dictionary and you'll see homosexuality is not a state of being, but a sexual activity---that is condemned. Homosexuality can never be condoned as acceptable, respectable,or good. Homosexuality is an objectively disordered condition deserving full societal disapproval becasue it spreads disease and dysfunction.



You are misinformed. In saying this you have bought into the heart of "gay" sophisty. Redefining homosexuality as an identity (or as you say a state of being) and not a form of sexual behavior has been a major acheivement of the homosexual movement. Truth is homosexuality is a behavior and a changeable one at that as many homosexuals have left that sexual lifestyle.

Redefining homosexuality in this way allows homosexuals to define themselves as a civil rights minority compared to African Americans other ethnic groups whose minority status is based on truly immutable characteristics. The Supreme Court recognizes minority status onlly for groups which 1 have suffered a history of unjust discrimination, 2 are powerless to help themselves and 3 are defined by immutable characteristics, such as skin color; gender, etc.

So, the "gay' movement began to redefine homosexuality as a normal and immutable condition equivalent to heterosexuality, completely independent of behavior or conduct. It's not science, but a legal and political strategy. This allows the 'gay' movement to inherit and exploit all of the legal, political and social gains of the civil rights movement for its own ends.

Stubbyfinger posts:

Really?

Is homosexuality compatible with full health?

Do you think deliberately infecting others with disease or HIV/ AIDS is not hurting anyone?

Is homosexuality compatible with social order?

Yes

This doesn't deserve a response.

Yes

It wasn't that long ago you couldn't be openly gay, admittedly and understandable they went a little crazy after they no longer had to hide,  Truth is now they're no more promiscuous than hetero's and more and more are in perfectly healthy long term relationships. I don't know what are you guys going to do when they develop an AID's vaccine.

Are we on the same planet?  :NOTSURE: 

There is no getting around the fact that unsanitary sex leads to life but only that of a bacteriological nature. Problem is even if AIDS is eliminated, other new lethal microbes will and have already emerged and so-called 'safe sex' isn't going to help one iota.

Homosexuals travel all over the world to have sex. Their germs get taken to Europe, Africa, and Asia...and fresh pathogens come here.