The Myth of the College Degree

About 7 years ago, I sat in a marketing "class". Oh, don't get me wrong, it contained a lot of good information. A lot of VERY good information, in fact, that I use to this day. But the marketing class was just a sales pitch for the latest Internet marketing company that had set up shop.

At the end of the day, we all received a very nice quality certificate, printed out on quality parchment paper. It was well presented, but all it was, effectively, was a sales pitch.

It was at the moment that I received my certificate that it hit me: degrees, certificates, pieces of paper are all essentially marketing gimmicks.

This is how those correspondence courses, those learn online places, make their money. Often they will offer you the information they are seeking, they just accredit their education to their own standards rather than a national standard, and issue you a "degree" based on their own educational standards. Without any kind of reputation behind it, all it is is another marketing gimmick.

I've spent the last year and a half earning the degree I never received. Now I can actually take credit for earning a college degree, and am working on another. And while there are moments where I think it might have been nice to have earned this degree when I was younger, there's a part of me that is glad I waited this long. Because not only do I value it, but I realize its value.

The degree I am earning is, by itself, worth nothing. Well, maybe the fraction of a cent recycle value that it represents. But the degree itself is utterly worthless unless the education is actually used. It is like a key dangling on a chain. If you find a key while youre walking along the street, do you keep it? Unless you're a packrat, you usually don't. It's just a worthless key, after all, and not worth spending the time stooping to pick up.

Now, then, change the scenario. Assume you find a key, and you know it unlocks a great treasure (for the sake of this analogy, we will assume it's legal to procure the treasure, provided you have the key). What do you do then? You keep it, you guard it, until such time as you can use it to obtain the treasure.

Did the key's value increase? Not one bit. It is still worth exactly what the first key was worth. But the value it REPRESENTS is what increased.

Recently it was suggested that the government should pay for all postsecondary education, up to and including advanced degrees. I disagree with that premise, and this is why. Because it makes no sense to hand out keys indiscriminately to everyone hoping that one or two will unlock the treasure.

In America, we are incredibly fortunate. We have all the tools for learning at our disposal. You cannot go to a city of any size and not find a public library. These libraries have a wealth of information available to anyone who wants to use it. And, in fact, if you're reading this, you are sitting in front of a machine that gives you access to more information than the most well stocked library.

This is what makes the suggestion of "free" postsecondary education useless. Essentially the proposal is that we hand out keys to everyone so that they can unlock their potential. But if they won't walk through open doors to unguarded treasure, why on earth would they use a key to access more closely guarded treasure?

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This is getting scary Gid.. I mean, the number of times we're thinking the same thing... and we're starting to write on the same things too.

If college is available, free for everyone, we will just have more educated janitors and ditch diggers.  It won't affect those who get professional careers (degrees have always been required for them), but it will artifically increase the requirements for everyone else.

 

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You and your anti-socialist ideas.  You will ruin the world if you keep thinking this way <evil grin>
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The problem is that the old adage “The world needs ditch diggers too” will not be true in the coming decades. You will see in your lifetime fully automated self-cleaning factories. No need for assembly line workers or janitors. The robotic revolution is one breakthrough in computing away, and it will make the computer revolution look slow by comparison. The rapid progress in the field of quantum computing has lead most to predict that breakthrough to be within a decade.

Whether that breakthrough comes in a decade or two or three, it’s coming and we will have to adapt quickly to a rapidly changing world. There will simply be no need for ditch diggers anywhere other than third world countries and it wont be long for them to start getting our hand me downs.

The highly educated are the only ones that will have employment, and that will happen much sooner than you realize.
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I disagree, stubby. There will always be a place for menial employment. Your vision is interesting, but I don't see it as being practical.

Even if it was, not everyone has the CAPACITY to acquire the knowledge that comes with an advanced degree. If you are correct, the future world will be a massive welfare state because there is no other choice.
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The highly educated are the only ones that will have employment, and that will happen much sooner than you realize.
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That, or we'll have to find other ways to earn a living other than permanent employment.
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But the degree itself is utterly worthless unless the education is actually used.
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you are absolutly right the degree is just a peace of paper.


but the knowledge that you gained isn't worthless even if you never get a job using it.


i refer you to
About 7 years ago, I sat in a marketing "class". Oh, don't get me wrong, it contained a lot of good information. A lot of VERY good information, in fact, that I use to this day.
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you keep making my points for me lately thank you
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I disagree, stubby. There will always be a place for menial employment. Your vision is interesting, but I don't see it as being practical
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i agree with you on this one.


but i don't see that many more people going to college that don't go now. but if it opened the door to just 1% of 1% of the population of america it would be worth it.


yes i know that would only be 30,000 people.

but how many people brought about the computer age. in reality 7 and they were all roommates at one point in time. true an existing company helped.
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you keep making my points for me lately thank you
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No, your point was that the government should pay for postsecondary education. My point is that it's unnecessary and that you already have access to all the educational resources you could ever need!

but the knowledge that you gained isn't worthless even if you never get a job using it.
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But the knowledge I gained can be obtained for FREE from a public library. It isn't necessary to go to a college to get an education.

Watch "Goodwill Hunting" sometime!

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but i don't see that many more people going to college that don't go now. but if it opened the door to just 1% of 1% of the population of america it would be worth it.
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What you do not seem to understand is that anyone who wants to go to college, already CAN. There's no locked door that needs to be opened.
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but i don't see that many more people going to college that don't go now. but if it opened the door to just 1% of 1% of the population of america it would be worth it.
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Oh, the desparation shown with the "if it helps just 1" farce! No, throwing us even further towards a socialist state isn't worth it!


In fact, I think there are some majors that should be DISCOURAGED since we already have too many grads from those programs.
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In fact, I think there are some majors that should be DISCOURAGED since we already have too many grads from those programs.
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I agree.

I think ALL federal financial aid for higher education should have the following stipulations:

1. Four years college at government expense means four years public service, military or otherwise. Don't like it? Pay your own way.

2. You must pursue a degree in a field where there is demand. I would have no problem right now paying for more nurses, but we don't need more lawyers bad enough to foot the bill for it.

3. Anything past a Bachelor's, you're on your own. Find a scholarship or work it off somehow.
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What you do not seem to understand is that anyone who wants to go to college, already CAN. There's no locked door that needs to be opened.
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wrong


you can go to college if you can either afford the tuition(spch). get a loan for it. or spend lots of time getting it by taking one or two classes at a time. and then to get that peace of paper you still have to pay the tuition.


and there are people sitting in Detroit, random city, that don't know that they are able to do this. mostly because their leaders tell them they can't
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You must pursue a degree in a field where there is demand. I would have no problem right now paying for more nurses, but we don't need more lawyers bad enough to foot the bill for it.

3. Anything past a Bachelor's, you're on your own. Find a scholarship or work it off somehow.
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agreed except right now we are also in desperate need of doctors. i blame this on the government. they have been saying since the 70's that we had too many doctors. and every year the waiting time to get an appointment has been increasing and so have the prices.
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1. Four years college at government expense means four years public service, military or otherwise. Don't like it? Pay your own way.
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teachers and doctors do this now.

by being assigned by the government as to where they will work if there is a need for them in a certain area.
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you can go to college if you can either afford the tuition(spch). get a loan for it. or spend lots of time getting it by taking one or two classes at a time. and then to get that peace of paper you still have to pay the tuition.
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Absolutely untrue. I was in the most intense program at BYU-I (Paramedic/Search & Rescue). We made the mistake of figuring out how many hours a week we spent in class, labs, the mountains, hospital rotations and ambulance ride alongs. It came to over 50 hours a week (that didn't include the occasional 4 hour exam, or study time).

Most of us were on some kind of aid, I was on VA Vocational Rehab... but there were 5 or 6 in the program who were working to pay their own way. They paid all the expenses out of their own pocket.

There are a million reasons to not go to college, but money isn't one of them.
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teachers and doctors do this now.
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Do you realize how many nurses, doctors and teachers are working outside of their fields?
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wrong


you can go to college if you can either afford the tuition(spch). get a loan for it. or spend lots of time getting it by taking one or two classes at a time. and then to get that peace of paper you still have to pay the tuition.
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Pell grant, $2050 a semester...NOT A LOAN!
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There are a million reasons to not go to college, but money isn't one of them.
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EXACTLY.

Daniel, the federal government spends tons of money to help students go to school. STATE governments spend tons of money as well. Add in civic groups, nonprofits, etc, and it's probably fair to say that somewhere in the billions of dollars lf "free" aid is offered every year. It's nobody's fault but your own if you don't use it.

In the last year and a half ALL I paid for tuition out of MY pocket was $350 for one summer class that wasn't covered by financial aid because it was used for the year.
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WWW Link


this is just a community college which receives taxes to keep tuition low
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Full time tuition at the college you listed EASILY falls under the Pell max, danielost.
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Danielost: your own link shows that you could take 12 credits (full time) and still have $1327.00 per semester to help with living expenses.

Tell me again how college is unaffordable?
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I disagree, stubby. There will always be a place for menial employment. Your vision is interesting, but I don't see it as being practical.

I ahve a couple of thoughts, but wanted to jump on this one first.  I agree with Gideon.  The demand for menial will not disappear, even as the demand for Buggy WHips has not disappeared.  It will continue to shink by some percentage (for the sake of argument lets say 50% a year).  But think about that.  If 10 years ago we needed 100,000,000 menial jobs, today we need less than 100,000.  But in another 10 years will we need any?  yes, for the demand is still only going down 50%, not 100%.

And yes, by that reasoning, we will always need some since not everything can be automated economically, or for the simple reason of craftmanship.

And with that ladies and Gents, you have just used your calculus that you knew you never would after getting out of the course.

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The value of the key is the same as the value of gold.  In itself, it is nothing more than a piece of metal.  The value comes from what people are willing to pay for it.  That treasure it unlocks could just as easily be a cow behind door number 3 of "Let's Make a Deal".  Or if could be an all expense paid vacation to Europe. 

So in effect is a degree.  You can go dig ditches with it, or become a CEO.  There is no way to know when you get it what it will be worth.  Just that it puts you that much closer to opening the treasure. 

But what it all signifies is what has been said many times before.  Work for it, and the value increases immensely.  Get it for free, and the value is thereby decreased.  Work is not meant as a punishment (that goes for learning or earning), but as a way of putting value into our activities not only so others can value them (which does help to put food on the table), but so that we can value them even more.

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Full time tuition at the college you listed EASILY falls under the Pell max, danielost.
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if you live in the right counties nor does it covor class prices if any