Theater owners want cell phones blocked

Discussed somewhat in this article: A King Kong bomb, or just a very sluggish movie market?, but under serious discussion as noted in the news article below, Theatre owners are apparently getting serious about trying to find ways to end rude behavior by movie patrons who just don't get the message that upon entering a movie theatre their cell phones should be off or at least set in silent ring mode.

I've blogged on the topic before, and Little Whip brought up the problem in comments to the article referenced in the paragraph above, but it is a serious problem, as many cell phone users just never seem to get the message that the world does not revolve around them and the use of their damned phone.

I have to think really hard on whether or not my last trip to a theatre included a ringing cell phone, but I'd swear it did. It's a regular occurence, despite many signs as you enter the multiplex, again as you enter the individual theatre, and even more reminders as the movie started. And yet again, some numbnuts is sitting in the crowd with some stinkin' annoying ring tone that plays some polyphonic symphony as loudly and annonyingly as possible when some friend they forget to fax or e-mail their schedule to doesn't get the agenda for the day and doesn't realize they shouldn't be calling in the middle of the movie.

It wouldn't be a problem at all if some people had better manners, but alas many don't.

When driving on the highway a cell phone should be for emergencies or quick conversations to provide status and note that you'll contact someone later when you aren't driving and shouldn't be concentrating on the roadway around you.

When sitting in a theatre, even if you are expecting a death, birth, or other serious family event, your cell phone should be set to vibrate mode only, or should be turned off.

In either case, if the news is that friggin' important that you couldn't wait just a little longer to receive it, then perhaps you shouldn't be where you are (on the road or in the theatre) and instead should be sitting chained to the damned phone so you can get all your important business completed without interrupting others around you.

Oh, lest I forget, there's a special hell reserved for the idiots that have to sit around you in a restaurant and carry on a cell phone conversation. Most of them are rude on so many levels it's pathetic. First, many of them are sitting at a table with someone else that they are totally ignoring in favor of whomever they are speaking on the phone with, and secondly, many of them are carrying on their phone conversation in such a way as to make the entire surrounding audience a part of their conversation. Either way, it spells "clod" in my book.

And finally, for the people that are so mentally challenged that they can't shop for groceries without walking down the aisles asking someone on the other end of the phone what items to get or not get, shame on them. Learn your significant others eating/drinking habits and shop by knowing what they want, rather than having to ask them all the time. And if the conversation isn't about what you are shopping for, then go back to the aforementioned "use the cell phone just to tell someone you'll talk with them more later" rule and stop trying to drag the rest of the world into your conversation. Never mind the idiots that are standing in the line in front of you at Starbucks ordering a host of drinks with all sorts of special instructions as they try to carry on a conversation via some "hands free" cord. Those folks should already be suffering (hopefully) as they screw their orders up and wind up getting something other than what they asked for. (Though I do feel sorry for the poor baristas who are left waiting for complete instructions or who have to re-make drinks just to get them right when it's the phone user's fault).


In anycase, original news article follows. Now, if you'll pardon me, I'm gonna call up some random cell phone user as they try to watch King Kong. I'm sure it won't take but a few tries to get one to answer while they sit in the movie. :p





Theater owners want cell phones blocked


SANTA MONICA, Calif., Dec. 17 (UPI) -- The National Association of Theater Owners wants the Federal Communications Commission to allow the blocking of cell phone signals in theaters.
John Fithian, the president of the trade organization, told the Los Angeles Times theater owners "have to block rude behavior" as the industry tries to come up with ways to bring people back to the cinemas.
Fithian said his group would petition the FCC for permission to block cell phone signals within movie theaters.
Some theaters already have no cell phone policies and ask moviegoers to check their phones at the door, Fithian said.
The Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association -- a Washington-based cell phone lobby that is also known as CTIA-the Wireless Association -- said it would fight any move to block cell phone signals.
"We're opposed to the use of any blocking technology, because it interferes with people's ability to use a wireless device in an emergency situation," CTIA spokesman Joseph Farren told the Times.

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Reply #1 Top
Agreed, wholeheartedly.

The only time I've ever wanted to commit homicide is the time someone's phone rang during my grandfather's funeral. And the mofo TOOK THE CALL. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SERVICE.

My cell is the only phone I have. And I mostly just talk to Ryan on it. But...I won't even talk on it in the grocery store.
Reply #2 Top
good....I hope they ban them from all inside public places. Let them vibrate and then go outside and call back. Stand next to the smokers and enjoy the fresh air. It'll do them some good.
Reply #3 Top
The thing that really aggrivates me is when the person on the other end asks something like 'what are you doing?'and the owner of the phone says 'oh, nothing'....when they're sitting in a crowded movie theater, or eating dinner at a restaurant, or even (yes, this one is true) in a stall at a public bathroom. It makes me want to grab the phone and shove it down their throat whilst I scream "you ARE doing SOMETHING, you fekkin' MORON!! And because you're doing it, I'm doing it TOO, but my experience is being marred by YOU and your fekkin' PHONE!!!!"

Gah. Some people are just ignorant. Period.
Reply #4 Top
My pet peeve is that people don't realize that if they text during the movie, that the screen is still very bright!
Okay, they're not actually talking, so they're okay, right? But the bright flash of light in my peripheral vision is very distracting.
Reply #5 Top
Forgive me, I'm about to pull out my cell phone and call a co-worker.... I'm sure you all won't mind listening in.
Reply #6 Top
I am kind of surprised they have to ask permission!  I would say just do it!
Reply #7 Top
i am still operating with a messed up mouse due to hubbys inability to shop.


That was a pretty funny article. I hope you got a chance to check the Wal*Mart shopping article (humor) I posted recently. It relates fairly well, and is even better in the follow-up comments
Reply #8 Top
Argh, double postings here too. Too quick, even with a decent mouse in hand.
Reply #9 Top
I hate to, again, be the nagging nellie, but damn, this is kind of heinous. What if there has been an emergency? Can no one see a good reason to be able to get a call in the middle of a movie? IF someone's child has just been taken to the hospital by the babysitter, is your movie experience more important?

Of course they should have to get permission to block telecommunications signals that they don't own or regulate. They are blocking a service that people pay for. If someone is being disruptive, address the disruption, not the tool they use to disrupt. This is like gun control. If 100 people carry a phone into a theater, they should be prevented from getting an urgent call just because the minority decide to abuse the priviledge?

I'd add that lives have been saved by people calling from under rubble and reporting emergencies from their cell phone. People who know they can't get calls in a theator would probably just leave them in their car. I think we have to put movies a little lower on the priority level.
Reply #10 Top
I hate to, again, be the nagging nellie, but damn, this is kind of heinous. What if there has been an emergency? Can no one see a good reason to be able to get a call in the middle of a movie?


Let me smack you with the bat o' common sense.

If you have an emergency, you have no business being in the middle of a theatre.

So, you ask, how about an unforseen emergency, and I answer: what the hell would you have done in the time before cell phones existed?

Think back to the bad (or good) old days when cell phones were toys for the very rich. When a portable phone was just that -- the size of a call box on the side of the road. Back then, if you went out to a movies and left a baby-sitter in charge of your kids you told them if there was an emergency that they could call the theatre at whatever the main number was for the movie house. You told them which movie you'd be seeing so they could have an usher come find you and pull you from the movie if need be. Yes, it would have been a disruption, but it didn't happen very often, and yet somehow we all survived, didn't we?

If you know you have relatives that are near death and you are expecting "the call" for that, then you don't go to the movies.

If you know you have relatives that are getting ready to give birth, again, you don't go to the movies, or you wait, at worst just over 3 hours while in the movies, and get the news a little later.

Think about it BakerStreet -- just how many "real emergencies" do you think happen while people are at a movie? Look at the calls that most idiots get. They are almost exactly as Little Whip and others described. The typical "Whatcha doin?" followed by a "nuthin' much" even as everyone around the participants get to hear the stupidity of the conversation.

If you must take the call, leave the theatre. Silence the damned phone. Turn it off, or switch it to the silent ring.

Oh wait, I forgot, the reason that many people don't use silent rings is that they have no friggin' clue how to use their own technology. The cell phones have become the new VCRs, devices that people buy but can't figure out how to program or operate functions on.

Well again, I say LEARN how to use them without making an ass out of yourself.
Reply #11 Top
Hmmm...How about this?

Maybe theaters should use pagers. I know that our church uses them for parents who leave their kids in the nursery. If you're a parent at a movie or something else, you tell the person at the counter your name and what movie you're going to. The counter person gives you a pager, much like those you would get at a restaurant until your table is ready. You keep the pager with you in the theater, and then if an emergency would arise, the counter would have the info for you. No cellphones are needed, but there's still a way to get ahold of someone if they need to be contacted.

I agree though...people should know how to use their "gagets" or shut em off. I really only have my phone on at home unless I'm traveling a long distance. I keep it off at restaurants and such because I figure if someone's going to die, they're going to do it whether or not I have my phone on, and there's not much I can do about it.
Reply #12 Top
"Let me smack you with the bat o' common sense.

If you have an emergency, you have no business being in the middle of a theatre."


Heh, you need a new bat. You think, maybe we're all psychic? Like I said, what happens when the babysitter takes 2 hours to get through to you because the person sitting next to you felt their movie experience was more important than you knowing your kid was in the emergency room?

I don't care how many emergencies there are. People PAY for access to these telecomminications. Some film buff has no right to tell me I can't get a call. If the theater owners want to roll the dice, fine, but I don't think the government needs to be called in because a few people are rude at the movies.

Me, I think the theater owners should watch their asses, since their whole world is steadily going down the tubes. Every year there's less reason to go to the movies, and the movies themselves suck worse. Make someone stop talking, you offend one person. Deny EVERYONE the ability to get a call they need to get, you offend everyone.

Lets just deny everyone the use of whatever annoys the person next to them. I think it is vapid that you would downplay the importance of a family emergency and at the same time inflate the importance of a stupid movie, frankly...

...it's a MOVIE. Get over it. Sorry if I am downplaying your viewing entertainment, but I tend to think your entertainment is secondary. If someone is being an ass, blame THEM for being an ass, don't take everyone else's ability to recieve calls away. Lets just make guns illegal because people abuse them...


If this were just about the theater, I'd say the owners can do what they like. But they don't have the right to step over the FCC and start jamming communications just because a few idiot annoy a few sensitive movie goers...
Reply #13 Top
Some film buff has no right to tell me I can't get a call.


Um, yes, in fact I do have a right to tell you can't get your call, or at least I do if I am the owner/operator of the movie house, which is after all private property and is operated at the discretion of the owner/operator of same.

Meanwhile, as customers, you and I paid the same to get into the theatre. You have no more right to ruin my experience than I do to tell you to piss off and not show at the theatre.

Again, I know we can't be psychic, but we can be smart enough to silence the phones and take the calls *outside* of the actual theatre.

Virtually every cell phone in use these days has caller ID. You can see who is calling and you can tell who to call back. Get your fat, stupid, lazy ass up outta the seat, walk outside the door to the theatre and have your conversation out of ear shot of others.

Failing to do that, you need to remind yourself that just because you pay to get service doesn't mean your service has to be extended in someone's else private property and space. If you don't like it, then sit your butt at home in front of the theatre-vision with the THX sound system and have fun.

Do smokers have rights to smoke in theatres? Don't think so.

Do alcoholics have rights to be served liquor, beer or wine in theatres? Don't think so.

And neither do cell phone addicts have the right to ruin the film going experience for others, no matter how much you wish for those people to get over it.

I'll get over it when you pay for the ticket for me to see the show a second time just because you had to answer "where you is?" or "whatcha doin?"

Remember you are not entitled to be rude. That isn't a constitutionally protected right, no matter how much you might wish otherwise.


Nice try, and please understand I'm not meaning to be rude in my comments back, but your arguments don't hold water. Use the technology properly and you needn't worry about having it turned off for you. Unfortunately too many individuals don't though, and those clods are ruining the techno-toys for the few legitimate users.

Again though, keep in mind when you walk into a theatre you have sacrificed some rights -- you have no right to yell "Fire" in that crowded theatre, even though you know you have a constitutionally protected right of free speech. And in the same manner, you have no right to disrupt the experience for others by using your phone, or even having it available (as in the service would work) while in the theatre.
Reply #14 Top
I understand being annoyed at people who talk to loudly on a cell-phone but what do you care if I'm talking to my wife while shopping at the grocery store? If I'm not talking too loud and not impeding your shopping then what's the problem? Why is ot okay to talk to a friend standing in line with you at Starbucks but not okay to talk on the phone? What's the difference?

I turn off my ringer whenever I am in a theater but anywhere else is my business.
Reply #15 Top
This would be a good time for ara to get some more points for his article on the topic.

I know that some people need cell phone access 100% of the time, but those are usually the ones smart enough to go to silent mode. I wonder if we could make a jamming technology for a theater or restaurant where someone who needs their phone could check it at the desk and an INTERNAL paging system could page them if a call comes through? While it seems like this sort of system would be expensive, it would be worth it to those of us who want to eat a meal or watch a movie in peace.
Reply #16 Top
"Um, yes, in fact I do have a right to tell you can't get your call, or at least I do if I am the owner/operator of the movie house, which is after all private property and is operated at the discretion of the owner/operator of same."


No. The signal you are jamming does NOT belong to you. The towers that transmit it don't belong to you, the airwaves aren't licensed by you, and the phone doesn't belong to you. When people talk too loud in a theater, they can be asked to leave, phone or not. As a theater owner, why do you need to deny people phone access to do what you have been doing for 60+ years?

Smoking was allowed in theaters until it was deemed a public health risk. Are you likening "annoyance" to a public health risk, when in reality the smallest minority of people with phones "abuse" you? There are theaters that serve beer if they so choose. The last 3 or 4 times I say Rocky Horror I enjoyed a beer with it...

If people are being disruptive you can ask them to leave. Otherwise it is none of your business. People have given you reasons people might need to have their phones. What's your reason? Oh, you might be annoyed. Wow, sorry...

I've been to three movies in the last 2 months, and not a single time have I heard a phone ring. Oddly, I don't see the huge problem causing millions of people to be cut off from the service they pay for.
Reply #17 Top
I don't have any hope of this ever being resolved.

Took my son to see Narnia yesterday.

I usually wait until a movie is out awhile before going to see it. But, of course my son begged to go yesterday and off we went.

Actually there was a man behind me during the entire movie making phone calls. His theater whisper and constant groaning over "the score" made me want to backhand him. Obviously this guy would rather have been watching the game than the movie we paid good money to see.

Despite his annoying behavior I found the hog of man sitting next to me way more repulsive.

This man was shoving great big fat handfuls of popcorn into his mouth, then chewing with his mouth open while trying to breathe around the corn. It was bad enough but the man used the fist-to-open hand approach. (No one to two kernels per bite for him.) He'd fist up a bunch of corn, then when about two inches from his fat face, he'd open his big yap (usually still full of popcorn) and flatten his hand out, basically shooting for the hole. Some would make it, some wouldn't. Some even found a brief respite in my hair!

I wanted to tell both of those knuckle dragging, ignorant, socially unaware, big mouthed, movie ruining barbarians off. But of course I couldn't say word one because I was so angry I couldn't think of a nice (if sarcastic) way to say anything, and my son was right there. Grrrrr.

There are a few reasons I think you should get up and LEAVE the theater.

1. You are so freaking hungry you have to use the fist-to-open hand approach.

2. You want to make/receive a phone call.

3. You have really bad gas.

4. Your baby is crying.

5. Your kid starts being loud and screaming.

L-E-A-V-E!

They really should post rules of etiquette in every theater. Just telling people to be quiet....well I am sure pig boy beside me thought he was very quiet.

Shesh. Not again, not in a full theater.

Nope.
Reply #18 Top
3. You have really bad gas.


I disagree. In the right movie, this particular ailment can ENHANCE the flick (chuckle!)
Reply #19 Top
I mean, did it take technology to prevent people from smoking in theaters? No, it didn't even take a law. You simply post a sign and when someone complained about someone smoking you asked them to leave. Did we need to install some sort of spray device on every seat to douse cigarettes after they were detected?

The fact is, as with gun ownership, there are legitimate reasons for people to receive phone calls during a movie. You don't take away something with a legitmate use because some people abuse it.

Reply #20 Top
disagree. In the right movie, this particular ailment can ENHANCE the flick (chuckle!)


Or at the very least, say more eloquently how you feel about the show!

That's gross....just gross.
Reply #21 Top
It's one thing to tell people (and expect them to obey) to put a phone on silent and leave the theater before engaging in conversation. It's a completely different thing to set up active RFI (radio frequency interference) to keep calls from getting in or out.

The argument that we couldn't get calls 50 years ago so we shouldn't be able to now is weak. Really. We create these technological tools to make life better. The fact that some people misuse/poorly use cell phones does not mean we should blanket ban them at the movies or in grocery stores or wherever. Instead, the common sense bat should be aimed at an appropriate target (that's common sense, right there). In this case, the theater owners should be enforcing courtesy policies, not asking the FCC to allow them to introduce RFI, that could potentially cause problems outside of the theater, too.

Emergencies are just that. Emergencies. The emerge. Often from places we never expected them. I refuse to put my life on hold for three months and skip movies on the off chance a niece/nephew might be born premature. Same goes if I have a friend that is slightly overweight and fond of fried pork. As a Soldier that was assigned to an infantry division, I wouldn't even be allowed to go to the movies if this were to come true because there were times I HAD to be within contact at all times in case of emergency deployment. What did we do in days before cell phones? We dealt the best we could. Now that we have them, we deal better.

Specialized doctors (among other people) live their lives with electronic tethers these days. Should they never go to the movies? Should they call their hospital every time they are headed out and report their locations ahead of time? "Hello, this is Dr. Joeuser. I'll be at the movies for the next 3 hours and I won't be able to be contacted on my cell. In the event of an emergency, please call the movie theater and wait through the listing of movies and times and hope that you get a live person. Let them know I'll be watching the latest LoTR movie and that they should interrupt the movie by finding me. I'll try to sit in the middle, but if I end up having trouble deciding on bon-bons or licorace, I might have to sit somewhere else. Also, if my wife calls, please don't tell her I'm at the movies, just tell her I'm in surgery." Or maybe they should put their lives on hold until they retire.

I put my phone on vibrate every time I go to the movies. I think every person in the theater should do that. I think that if a call comes in and you check the caller ID and decide to take it, you should say nothing more than "Hold on a sec." and then exit the theater. This is all common sense and common courtesy. People who don't follow basic rules like this (and this is generally the unenforced policy in a theater)should be forced to leave.

Oddly enough, I think some theaters are already doing some blocking (it must be passive - dense materials lining the walls since active RFI might need permission from the FCC). I have been in theaters where my cell received no signal at all. It is annoying because you never know what emergency might happen.
Reply #22 Top

The fact is, as with gun ownership, there are legitimate reasons for people to receive phone calls during a movie. You don't take away something with a legitmate use because some people abuse it.

The fact also is, it is not a public place, but a private one.  They can allow you in or not based upon their standards.  Some Churches have already installed the signal dampers.  You still do have a choice.  You can abide by their rules, or you can decide not to patronize them.

Reply #23 Top
No. The signal you are jamming does NOT belong to you.


Nor, as Dr. Guy reiterated above, and I had already stated, does it belong to you. Just because you are paying for use of the equipment does not guarantee you the right to receive the signal any and every place you please.

Private property is still private property, and if a theatre owner wants to shutdown the signal inside their own space, they are entitled to do so.

That you have been lucky enough to not have had your movie going pleasure disrupted says more for the manners of the movie-goers in your area. Apparently you have had better success than I did in going to a movie in the Orlando area while on vacation, and in going to the really huge megaplex in Maryland, or to the local mall megaplex. I'm 3 for 3 on phones ringing and conversations going while in theatres. None of which were obvious emergencies, because again the persons that took the call made no efforts to leave either film, and each took several words of conversation between themselves and the idiot on the other end of the phone to end the conversation over what was essentially the "I'm in the movies and will talk to you later" lines.


I dislike the idea of losing what could be an important tool during an emergency, and the idea that an emergency worker might not be able to get out to a movie because of the loss of the use of a phone or pager, but if people mis-use the technology and abuse the priviledge, then this is what things will come to.
Reply #24 Top
Booray said:
I understand being annoyed at people who talk to loudly on a cell-phone but what do you care if I'm talking to my wife while shopping at the grocery store? If I'm not talking too loud and not impeding your shopping then what's the problem? Why is ot {sic} okay to talk to a friend standing in line with you at Starbucks but not okay to talk on the phone? What's the difference?


My comments about phone users in grocery stores or in lines at Starbucks are more along the lines of ranting at people that abuse the technology. Carrying on a conversation while in the line and trying to give your order to the barista is rude to both the person on the phone and the barista. If you can't give undivided attention to either, then perhaps you shouldn't be talking to either of them.

Again, does it really kill someone to tell the person on the other end of the phone to "hold please," or does everyone else in the line have to suffer because the phone user is blabbering on in conversation over the phone and can't be bothered to give their order to the barista in a clear and concise manner? Don't the other customers in line deserve that courtesy, and doesn't the barista especially deserve your undivided attention when placing your order?

Booray also said:
I turn off my ringer whenever I am in a theater but anywhere else is my business.


And for that, people like myself thank you immensely. Just guessing, but I would expect you too aren't very happy when some other individual in the theatre didn't bother to provide you the same courtesy?

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Tova7 said:
I usually wait until a movie is out awhile before going to see it.


The only problem with that method anymore is that so many theatres are so impatient with the amount of time they keep movies that you might never get the opportunity to catch some movies before they've already been wiped out of the theatres.

Tova7 continued:
Actually there was a man behind me during the entire movie making phone calls. His theater whisper and constant groaning over "the score" made me want to backhand him. Obviously this guy would rather have been watching the game than the movie we paid good money to see.


That is pretty sad. I'm guessing he may have been forced to take a child to the film or something similar, but it sounds like anyone that was with him probably had their experienced ruined a bit too

Tova7 continued again:
Despite his annoying behavior I found the hog of man sitting next to me way more repulsive. This man was shoving great big fat handfuls of popcorn into his mouth, then chewing with his mouth open while trying to breathe around the corn. It was bad enough but the man used the fist-to-open hand approach. (No one to two kernels per bite for him.) He'd fist up a bunch of corn, then when about two inches from his fat face, he'd open his big yap (usually still full of popcorn) and flatten his hand out, basically shooting for the hole. Some would make it, some wouldn't. Some even found a brief respite in my hair!


Well, on the mouth breathing part, and eating with the mouth open part, you could be referring to me. Sadly that has more to do with my sinusitis and chronic nasal problems than anything else, though I try to be respectful of others and not be too obnoxious in my eating, drinking or anything else I might do in the theatre.

Tova7 goes on:
I wanted to tell both of those knuckle dragging, ignorant, socially unaware, big mouthed, movie ruining barbarians off. But of course I couldn't say word one because I was so angry I couldn't think of a nice (if sarcastic) way to say anything, and my son was right there. Grrrrr.


You could try to get an usher to intervene, but sadly most of them (hating to generalize but doing it anyway) are low wage earning youth that are not at all interested in starting any hostilities with any patron. They would rather avoid the confrontration and at best will do something like offering you discounted tickets to a future viewing where you can take your chances on what rude mannered individuals might also be in attendance with you.

Tova7 concludes with:
There are a few reasons I think you should get up and LEAVE the theater.1. You are so freaking hungry you have to use the fist-to-open hand approach.2. You want to make/receive a phone call.3. You have really bad gas.4. Your baby is crying.5. Your kid starts being loud and screaming.L-E-A-V-E!They really should post rules of etiquette in every theater. Just telling people to be quiet....well I am sure pig boy beside me thought he was very quiet.


Excellent list. Too bad many would ignore it completely. And btw, I disagree on the "they really should post rules" as in reality no one really should have to be reminded of such common sense rules of courtesy for others around you. If they do have to be reminded, they are probably such complete clods that the reminder won't do any good anyway.