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Why does the Left love dictatorships and their rulers?

Why does the Left love dictatorships and their rulers?

An opinion piece.....

Why does the Left, that entity which claims to so admire things like freedom of speech, the press, thought and things like Human Rights, why do they always seem to embrace the totalitarians and tyrants? The dictatorships and despots?
Why do they, these arbiters of unfettered personal expression, always find ways to explain away their favorite tinpot Hitler's oppressive indescretions and apologize for their abuses?

I've seen these questions debated again and again here on JU; why do the dictatorships get a pass, while the democracies, the ones they SHOULD be supporting, always seem to come under their fire?
Like when they do things such as impose sanctions against dictators and their nations, and especially when they increase their building of arms to stand against the oppression symbolized by the totalitarians. Instead of working to free the oppressed, it seems the liberals are more than happy to let their favorite tyrants go merrily about their business unmolested.

For example, as Jimmy Carter spent four years coddling the Soviets and schmoosing Fidel Castro, all the while ignoring, and even lending tacit support to, Leftist stirrings in Central Amercia and Africa, democracy lost ground the world over. We got weaker by the day.
Ronald Reagan went into office and, eight years later, against the warning cries and apologizing of Democrats in the House and Senate, and that of liberal elements among our "allies" (all of whom would have been much more than content with some level of peaceful co-existence with the USSR), had virtually ended forty years of Cold War, advancing the frontiers of democracy everywhere.
Leftwing elements the world over decried his policies as fascist, militaristic and oppressive. This, even as he funded the upgrading of Voice of America and Radio Liberty and supported and nutured the fledgling, suppressed Solidarity movement in Poland to the chagrin of the Polish government, the USSR and the "Democratic" Republic of Germany (East Germany).
And what of his aid to the beseiged Mujahedeen in Afghanistan? Those people, he backed against direct Soviet aggression.
Where were the cries of "militarists!" and "oppressors!" from demonstrators outside Soviet and Eastern Bloc nation's embassies?

The Bush 41 Administration attacked Iraq to the derisive cries of the Left, who kept imagining, or perhaps wistfully envisioning, another Vietnam quagmire. Instead, sadly for them, the war was over in 100 days; their blustering, beloved tyrant Saddam's tail was tucked firmly between his legs until January 1993, when Slick Willy the (Barely) Closet(ed) Socialist came into office and let America be pushed all over the place by the UN and their anti-American mafia of grafters and rabid Internationalists.
He spent the next eight years squandering or frittering away America's newfound, rightly-claimed status as Sole Superpower.

Then came Bush 42 and 9-11....liberals the world over, though "saddened" by the great loss of life, understood completely how the Islamics could come to hate us for our arrogance and riches, and to strike us so coldly and callously. Some of the more pure-biled lefty America-lasters even cheered.
In 2002, it became clear, as it had for about a decade, that Saddam just may have been dabbling in a WMD program. Senators and members Congress from both sides agreed, again, as they had for about a decade, that the intelligence data was well-represented, and that something must be done. Soon.
So, off to war we went.
As time progressed, however, it became apparent that the sought-for WMDs were not presenting themselves as promised; so, like the sore-loser, cowardly weasels they are, the Democrats started carping against the Bush Administration, forgetting the data they all agreed on as being correct, in a thinly-disguised effort at payback for "stealing" the election from their robocandidate, Aldroid Gore.
And, true to form, the Left always finds ways to excuse Saddam for his behavior, and to apologize to everyone for and explain away, ignore or gloss over, the rape rooms, torture chambers, the mass graves, the multiple, opulent, czarist palaces....etc, while at the same time berating the US for it's "poor behavior" and "torture"; like giving terrorist prisoners "pink bellies" (slapping their bellies until they become pink.....like the bully in 3rd grade did to you).
What's next? Decrying the noogies and swirlies inflicted on the poor prisoners? What about pants-ing? Would that be considered torture, too?
Nothing the US is doing in Iraq is right or good, especially the toppling of a tyrant and the attempted installation of a free, democratic government. Who wants that, right?
Not the Democrats; they want:

1. Bush to be impeached. Why? Because; they don't like him.
2. The US to lose in Iraq; mainly so we can be embarrassed, and if all goes well, maybe a strong man can take control again, and lord his will over the entire country. That they can understand and support, after all. "Of the People, by the People"?.....too messy.

Why do they do this? Why do they love dictators?

I think I know; I think we all do......

The Left loves Big Government.

What represents the purest, most unalloyed form of Big Government than an omnipresent dictatorship, one which holds all the cards and controls and manages the very lives of the people it rules, even down to what can and can't be purchased or owned?
Dictatorships (especially Socialists) own everything, and decide who gets what and when. This is an ideal which appeals very much to the Socialist in every Democrat/liberal.
Unfortunately, since many of them serving in the House and Senate now were radicals and long-haired hippie demonstrators in the 60s, this ideal is very attractive to them.

Also, a dictatorship doesn't have to stand for opposition to its tenets from dissidents and naysayers who point out its faults, as the Left has to in the Democracies.
The nitpickers and faultfinders in a dictatorship are jailed or killed outright for their opinions, rather than debated and/or tolerated. Wouldn't the Clintons and Kerry have loved to do either to such complainers and troublemakers Limbaugh and Hannity, Coulter and Sowell? You betchya they would.
Freedom of expression is wonderful, so long as you're not the target, and with its ongoing implosion, the Democratic party has been the bullseye for many a sharply-thrown dart from the Right.


So, That's why I think the Left loves its tyrants. You're free to disagree, however.....after all, Communism is dead.
Thanks for that, Mr. Reagan.
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Reply #51 Top
Because, as was rightly pointed out, these are national/federal positions that people are being elected to. There has to be some differentiation between elections to fill local/state positions and national/federal ones. Everywhere I've lived in the US, people use the term local election when referring to elections to fill local/state positions and use the term national/general to refer to elections to fill federal/national positions. If you look around a bit, you will find more references to the 2006 elections as a national election than you will calling them "local". What do you call actual local elections then?

I may be a jackass sometimes, have never denied that. I can deal with being called that as long as you don't mind me calling you a little girl.

Why do you conservatives always feel the need to defend each other? Dr. Guy and RighWinger aren't little girls like you, they can handle their own.
Reply #52 Top
As I stated, the polls vary a lot. There's really no way to know until next year. We'll see.
Reply #53 Top
As I stated, the polls vary a lot. There's really no way to know until next year. We'll see.


Agree
Reply #54 Top

; Who's clueless now jackass?

Well, so much for your debating skills. Let me ask you a question. Are you going to vote for George Allen? His Opponent? No? Hey CLueless! That is because that is a local election and you are not a resident of that state. Now wipe that brown stuff off your face, and try learning how to debate first. And insult when you cannot.

Reply #55 Top
Kingbee:

You always seem to have a good grasp and command of some particular facts that I do not have. Admittedly, this often frustrates me because I just don't have the time to look everything up in order to give you a really good thrashing.
That's all well and good, but as for this article, I'm not seeing you addressing the actual point of the post itself. You're using this grasp of these facts I refer to in order to chip away at smaller issues you have with my line of reasoning. Fine, I understand were you're coming from, but I have yet to see from you an outright, firey dismissal of my point itself, that liberals (and in general the Left as a whole) love and suck up to dictators.
All I'm getting is you trying to cloud the issue with your "Nyah, Nyah....your side does it, too....Nyah, Nyah!"

Is this because even you can't/won't deny something of which you can't debate the truth?


i've tried to address your concerns here

Link

unfortunately i wasn't able to say everything that needed saying all at one time. fortunately there's a four-day weekend just within reach.
Reply #56 Top
I may be a jackass sometimes


If you say so.

Why do you conservatives always feel the need to defend each other? Dr. Guy and RighWinger aren't little girls like you, they can handle their own.


It's called team work, maybe if the Dems applied this idea they might have a chance at beating even the likes of Bush. One thing I have noticed on this site is that those who are republicans tend to back each other up with facts and statements while those who are Dems tend to fight thier own battles alone and I rarely see anyone else, Dem, back them up. Usually there are 2 or 3 different Dem points trying to be made in a single article from 3 different people instead of backing each other on the same point. JMO

As I stated, the polls vary a lot. There's really no way to know until next year. We'll see.


So if they do vary alot why are you so passionate at pointing out something that changes everyday just because it favors your point ATM? May I ask you this, is it possible for you to point out the good things about your party in order to convince me to switch sides rather than tell me how bad the other party is? What I mean is, I wouldn't buy a car from a deal who instead of telling me the features and cons of thier car they would bash all other cars not sold in their dealer. Just imagen:

" the new 2006 Toyota Corolla, the 2006 Honda Civic is slower, waste more gas and comes in horrible colors, get the new Toyota Corolla today".

I'm convinced, not.
Reply #57 Top
It's called team work, maybe if the Dems applied this idea they might have a chance at beating even the likes of Bush.


Well, I don't think beating Bush is an issue, since he's not running again. Perhaps you meant might have stood a chance?

Party solidarity isn't something the Democrats are struggling with at the moment. The GOP couldn't even get together and pass their own budget.Link

There are many more indications that members of the GOP are not on the same page.

Usually there are 2 or 3 different Dem points trying to be made in a single article from 3 different people instead of backing each other on the same point. JMO


Wow, that's a really damning statement about "us". We think on our own instead of following the crowd.

So if they do vary alot why are you so passionate at pointing out something that changes everyday just because it favors your point ATM?


I would hardly say that I'm "passionate" about them. As I said, I know people around here don't put a lot of weight in them. And I also said they very a lot. It's not as if I've gone on and on about how polls are then end all be all predictor of the future.

May I ask you this, is it possible for you to point out the good things about your party in order to convince me to switch sides rather than tell me how bad the other party is?


It is possible, but I'm not trying to convince anyone to switch parties. People can and will make up their own minds. I just tend to point out the ridiculous and/or inaccurate things people say.

they would bash all other cars not sold in their dealer.


Are you saying that I'm "bashing" the GOP by pointing out that Schmidt stood up there and lied in front of all her colleagues and the rest of the country on C-SPAN?
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Well, so much for your debating skills. Let me ask you a question. Are you going to vote for George Allen? His Opponent? No? Hey CLueless! That is because that is a local election and you are not a resident of that state. Now wipe that brown stuff off your face, and try learning how to debate first. And insult when you cannot.


Ok, show me some examples of people outside of JU using the term local to describe the 2006 elections. I'm quite confident I can show you one of people calling them national for every local you come up with. I know perfectly well how to debate, you just will never admit when you're wrong.

As usual, you are the one who started with the name calling and then get your panties in a wad when someone talks back to you in the same tone.
Reply #59 Top

As usual, you are the one who started with the name calling

Clueless to describe your state of being is name calling?  You really are clueless!  Calling a spade a spade is not name calling!  It is factual.  You may want to look up the definition of Jackass, or your party's symbol to see that clearly I am neither.

And you can just read my blogs to find out I do indeed admit when I am wrong.  That is if you are capable.

Reply #60 Top
OK, perhaps I should start talking as if my 7 years old is reading this. It's easy for people here to completely misunderstand what one is trying to say.

Well, I don't think beating Bush is an issue, since he's not running again. Perhaps you meant might have stood a chance?

Party solidarity isn't something the Democrats are struggling with at the moment. The GOP couldn't even get together and pass their own budget.Link

There are many more indications that members of the GOP are not on the same page.


To better explain, a person as bad as Bush, not Bush himself, or worse. I personaly find it sad when your best candidate can't beat our worst.

Your right, solidarity is not an issue for Dems, you all do a great job condeming yourselves all at once. What my real problem (which you failed to understand) is that while there are (example) 3 people debating in favor of Dems, each with a different complaint (let's be real that all you really do, and I mean you as in Dems) while everyone from the Rep side argues each complaint in unity. In other words. 1 Dem argues about the enviroment, another about the war and the other about how stupid Bush is, But the first one wont argue about #2s or 3s argument and #2 wont even hint at #3s or 1s argument, get my point?


Wow, that's a really damning statement about "us". We think on our own instead of following the crowd.


Following a crowd? So each Dem thinks something defferent? I thought that being part of a Party meant having something in common with them. And I don't mean just hating Bush. It almost seems pointless to get you to understand cause your just gonna continue to take me word for word and make me sound like I'm talking in a different language.

I would hardly say that I'm "passionate" about them. As I said, I know people around here don't put a lot of weight in them.


OK bad choice of word, hows about persistant?

And I also said they very a lot. It's not as if I've gone on and on about how polls are then end all be all predictor of the future.


Could have fooled me.

It is possible, but I'm not trying to convince anyone to switch parties. People can and will make up their own minds. I just tend to point out the ridiculous and/or inaccurate things people say.


Once again picking only the words you like, you never really did answer the question.

Are you saying that I'm "bashing" the GOP by pointing out that Schmidt stood up there and lied in front of all her colleagues and the rest of the country on C-SPAN?


And yet once again, nitpicking words. I don't believe I derected it to you in particular or about a specific person like Schmidt. I guess metaphores are not your thing. The last time you went on a date and your date wanted to know more about you, did you tell that person all your bad habits or did you tell the about your good side?

Example, I chose to be Rep because they "represent" what I believe the Govt should be (that's just one thing). You see how I did not bash the opposing party by not saying "I chose the Reps because the Dems suck". Is that too much to ask for? And I'm sure you will say the same of us, but like Dr Guy would say: we're not the ones providing the wood for the fires, we just burn them.
Reply #61 Top
It seems that I chose the wrong label to make my point, so please replace every instance where I said Dem with the Left or Leftwing.
Reply #62 Top
Following a crowd? So each Dem thinks something defferent? I thought that being part of a Party meant having something in common with them. And I don't mean just hating Bush. It almost seems pointless to get you to understand cause your just gonna continue to take me word for word and make me sound like I'm talking in a different language.


I never said Democrats don't have common beliefs, did I? They certainly do. I raised this point in regards to the goings on here on the message board at JU.

OK bad choice of word, hows about persistant?


Another bad choice of words I guess. I brought up the polls I'd been looking at and then was asked for links, which I provided. The only time after my original post that I again mentioned polls was in direct response to someone else.

Once again picking only the words you like, you never really did answer the question.


What question are you referring to?

The last time you went on a date and your date wanted to know more about you, did you tell that person all your bad habits or did you tell the about your good side?


In all areas of my life I'm honest and represent myself truthfully.
Reply #63 Top
You know, I'll gladly accept the points, but could someone at least make ONE little stab at getting back to my topic, now?

Reply #64 Top
Yeah, it's getting up there...65 comments now.

Sorry about getting so far OT. I will resist any further attempts to partake in such hi-jinks.

Reply #65 Top
In answer to your question, the right does not ignore them either, and indeed there are enough examples of propping up right wing dictators, during the cold war. Since then, there has been a very low tolerance of dictators by the right, but as you note, a growing tolerance of them on the left.
So looking at why today (and even why yesterday like Nicarauga), why do they do it? It gives the US a black eye. Pure and simple. They hate the fact that the US is king of the hill, and anything that knocks them down a peg or 2 must be good.


Guess I will just quote myself. It is not point whoring since it is not my article.
Reply #66 Top
Sorry about getting so far OT. I will resist any further attempts to partake in such hi-jinks.


N prob, really; I don't really mind where the threads go....all I ask is that we all be nice and civil to each other.
Reply #67 Top
Sorry about getting so far OT. I will resist any further attempts to partake in such hi-jinks.


N prob, really; I don't really mind where the threads go....all I ask is that we all be nice and civil to each other


Awww hell RW, you're taking "all" the fun out of it!
Reply #68 Top
Awww hell RW, you're taking "all" the fun out of it!


It is thanksgiving after all!
Reply #69 Top
Happy Thanksgiving, guys.....so, drm....how you think we're looking for Monday night?
Big Ben is starting and just about everybody important is well again. I think we might have a prayer.
But, then...it IS Indianapolis.
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Hey, a chance at a 3-way with those two...WHOOHOO!


Sounds like the same kinds of odds the Bush Administration was prepared to bet the lives of (to date) 2100 servicemen and women in the hope of finding some WMD.

No wonder you backed him if those are the kinds of odds you can get yourself all excited about.