ADAM AND LILITH

Both created at the same time.

from JoeUser Forums
From the dust God made man {Adam} and woman {Lilith}

Not Adam and Eve as written in so many holy books.

http://www2.kenyon.edu/Depts/Religion/Projects/Reln91/Power/lilith.htm

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/lilith.html

http://perdurabo10.tripod.com/id165.html


Here are several links to read how we have been misled all these years into thinking Adam and Eve were the first man and woman, well at least they got it 1/2 right. Either story has Adam as the first man.

I believe that the Adam and Lilith scenario has as much credibility as the Adam and Eve scenario. How about you folks?
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Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
I dunno, but the sources on Lilith seem a lot weaker than the sources used by the interdenominational team of experts who put together the NIV.

I'm gonna go with the NIV team on this one.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Interesting reading, Moderateman. I was only vaguely familiar with the concept of Lilith, and your sources were very informative.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
#2 by stutefish
Saturday, November 19, 2005


I dunno, but the sources on Lilith seem a lot weaker than the sources used by the interdenominational team of experts who put together the NIV.

I'm gonna go with the NIV team on this one.


it's good that you choose a story, I choose to believe {ha!}| I ain't tellin!
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
3 by Texas Wahine
Saturday, November 19, 2005


Interesting reading, Moderateman. I was only vaguely familiar with the concept of Lilith, and your sources were very informative.


Thanx tex I do love giving differing point of views, especially when I do not have to give which one I believe, if I believe any of them heh heh heh.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Having read some Gnostic texts, I personally hold more fiaht in the adam and lilith scenario than I do adam and eve.

they way i see it is this: the bible is like looking through the keyhole into a room. you can see things but you're getting a somewhat restricted view. if you add the gnostic gospels and writings, the nag hamadi texts, if you add those to the bible....its like the door to the room has swung open and you can see almost the whole picture.

i've got some reading recommendations if you want some, elie. or anyone else, for that matter.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Everyone knows it was Frasier and Lilith. Then they got divorced and Frasier moved to Seatle. Geeez, don't you know your folklore?
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
This goes along with what I have said in other articles and posts. The Old Testament never claims to be an exhaustive history of events. The first verse of Genesis talks about creation, then the rest of the first chapter reiterate the creation.

The first description is the creation in spirit. The earth, the animals, man & woman, all were created in spirit before given a physical form. The more detailed account is the 6 days of physical creation (where Adam was given a physical body from the dust of the earth).

Did Lillith exist? Were Cain and Abel the first kids? Or were they just the first ones Genesis mentions by name. After all, when Cain was being cursed for killing Abel he was sent to a whole other "land" and he worried about how all those people would treat him. How long were Adam & Eve in the Garden of Eden? For that matter, how long was Adam hanging around alone? What was happening outside the Garden of Eden through all this.

Genesis answers none of these questions. Are they important? Do these questions (or even the existence of Lillith) further our spiritual well-being?

The bottom line is, is the God of the Bible really God, Did Jesus Christ sacrifice himself and pay the price for our sins? The answer we find in ourselves is much more important than any of the details.

Great article though, interesting links!
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Frasier's Lillith?  That Lillith?  The one who originated the term Bitch?
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
6 by dharmagrl
Saturday, November 19, 2005


i've got some reading recommendations if you want some, elie. or anyone else, for that matter.


send em on D am always open to learning new things or differing points of views.

E
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
8 by little_whip
Saturday, November 19, 2005


The NIV, and in fact ALL Bibles are based on the books chosen to be included in it at the council of Nicea, thousands of years ago, which was attended by men with political ambitions more than spiritual.

Link

A lot of people are gambling their eternal souls on the incomplete information 300 old bishops decided was "acceptable" 323 years after Christ's crucifixion.

Theres more out there, stute, MUCH more.


plus you had Europian kings editing the bible to suit there fancy and other religious leaders revising the bible too.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
#9 by UBoB
Saturday, November 19, 2005


Everyone knows it was Frasier and Lilith. Then they got divorced and Frasier moved to Seatle. Geeez, don't you know your folklore?


long before there was Frasier and lillith there was DIANE AND FRASER! heh
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
#12 by Dr. Guy
Saturday, November 19, 2005


Frasier's Lillith? That Lillith? The one who originated the term Bitch?


actually ther term bitch first originated with CARLA, not lillith.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
#10 by ParaTed2k
Saturday, November 19, 2005


The bottom line is, is the God of the Bible really God


yes!

Jesus Christ sacrifice himself and pay the price for our sins?


I will get back to you on this one ted. heh {jewboy remember?}
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
The NIV, and in fact ALL Bibles are based on the books chosen to be included in it at the council of Nicea, thousands of years ago, which was attended by men with political ambitions more than spiritual.


which is exactly why I like to read the stuff that the council of Nicea kicked out/rejected.


Elie, I'd start with 'The Gnostic Gospels'
Link- Amazon has that used for $3.95, and I think that you'd really enjoy it. It's subtitled 'Adam, Eve and the Serpent' and 'The Origin Of Satan'. It gets into the resurrection myth a little bit too, but the parts that deal with adam and eve I think you'll really dig.

There's also 'The Other Bible'....some of the books of that talk about how the god that made the world was actually one of many gods, and how he's jealous...I'll send you an email and explain more about it. It's all VERY interesting, though.

I personally think that a lot of Christians are blinkered and don't fully understand how the bible as it is today came into being. Like I said, there's a LOT more to this god stuff than just the bible. When I started reading The Other Bible I had so many 'aha!' moments it was ridiculous. All of a sudden the things that I had read in the bible and had problems believing....well, they're more fully explained in the Other Bible. They simply made sense.
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#17 by dharmagrl
Saturday, November 19, 2005


Elie, I'd start with 'The Gnostic Gospels'
Link- Amazon has that used for $3.95, and I think that you'd really enjoy it. It's subtitled 'Adam, Eve and the Serpent' and 'The Origin Of Satan'. It gets into the resurrection myth a little bit too, but the parts that deal with adam and eve I think you'll really dig.

There's also 'The Other Bible'....some of the books of that talk about how the god that made the world was actually one of many gods, and how he's jealous...I'll send you an email and explain more about it. It's all VERY interesting, though.

I personally think that a lot of Christians are blinkered and don't fully understand how the bible as it is today came into being. Like I said, there's a LOT more to this god stuff than just the bible. When I started reading The Other Bible I had so many 'aha!' moments it was ridiculous. All of a sudden the things that I had read in the bible and had problems believing....well, they're more fully explained in the Other Bible. They simply made sense.


very very cool and thanx for getting back to me so fast, I printed this out so I can refer to it while browsing around.


E
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dunno, I still believe the universe was crapped out of the arse of a gigantic green space frog.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
I will get back to you on this one ted. heh {jewboy remember?}


LOL, yeah, I guess I did do a bit of meshing the Old & New Testaments there, didn't I. ;~D

This was pretty much my own fault, since I believe that Jesus was with God from the beginning, was the Jehovah who gave the 10 Commandments to Moses and was part of the "We" Genesis speaks of in the creation. So, you see, to me there is no separating Christianity from Genesis on to Revelations... Even though I acknowledge the BC and the AD of it all. ;~D
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dharma:
which is exactly why I like to read the stuff that the council of Nicea kicked out/rejected.


Yes, there is a lot of interesting stuff in the "apocryphal" books, and (as one of them Mormons) I'm the last to try to claim that what made it into the Holy Bible (or even what survived all the edits) is the end all, be all of scripture.

However, I also acknowledge that there is a difference between canonized scripture and all the other writings. I think that we will be judged based on our acceptance of the scripture available to us and any changes along the way will be on the heads of those who changed scripture without the proper authority to do so.

Saved by Grace, Judged by Works!

Just my 2 cents on the matter.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
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