Hi KFC, thanks for your reply. It’s nice to hear your views, and I think this is an interesting topic.
| Christianity and Islam also hold great common ground |
| Ok this one I couldn't agree with you on. First off you have to look at the evidence. Look at real Christianity and Real Islam. Do you know in Nigeria the Muslims are killing the Christians? Of course this is not the only place but this is what I've been hearing about lately. In Feb 04 a whole church was killed with machetes and killed. Their offense? Worshiping Jesus instead of Allah. Pregnant women were ripped open and all inside that little church were killed |
Many Christians have behaved in the same way throughout the centuries, though. Consider the Christian Crusades, for example, or the Spanish Inquisition, where thousands of people died at the hands of Christians. The “sins” of Christianity have been great throughout history, and many people understandably claim that Christianity has been a black spot on Western Culture.
I think that such violent behaviour stems more from the weaknesses and misguided attitudes of human beings, rather than from one’s religion. Why do people act with such violence and negativity? It could be said that such people are immature in the spirit and don’t know any better. These people might then be influenced by their religion’s Holy Scriptures, the Bible included.
| Have you read the Koran? It contains several passages that incite followers to violence. |
Yes, there are several passages which encourage violence. That’s also true of the Bible. Talking of common ground, consider the following Biblical verses. (Your reference to ripping open pregnant women could have been quoted from this first one) . . .
God says to the prophet Hosea: “I will have no compassion … They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open.” (Hosea 13.14-16)
In Exodus 32:27-29, we read: “The Lord God of Israel commands every one of you to put on his sword and go through the camp from this gate to the other and kill his brothers, his friends, and his neighbours. The Levites obeyed, and killed about three thousand people that day. Moses said to the Levites, ‘Today you have consecrated yourselves as priests in the service of the Lord by killing your sons and brothers, so the Lord has given you his blessing.”
People often claim that verses such as Deuteronomy 21.18 intend to encourage family values: “Suppose someone has a son who is stubborn and rebellious, a son who will not obey his parents, even though they punish him. His parents are to take him before the leaders of the town where he lives and make him stand trial. They are to say to them, ‘Our son is stubborn and rebellious and refuses to obey us; he wastes money and is a drunkard.’ Then the men of the city are to stone him to death, and so you will get rid of this evil.”
There are loads of similar verses in the Bible. (The plight of that bloke in Numbers 15.32-36 is surely undeserved, for example.) But again, I think that violence and negative behaviour stems primarily from people’s bitterness and misguided attitudes, rather than being prompted by Holy Scripture.
In my opinion, we can afford some healthy breathing space from extreme scriptural fundamentalism. I believe that the Bible is the ‘map’, rather than the territory. Even though parts of the Bible might seem to portray an inaccurate map, its substantial body contains a wealth of wisdom, insight and meaningful literature, all of which formulate a stark revelation of the truth. Verses which describe God as a vengeful tyrant are inaccurate parts of the map, coloured by man, rather than by God.
| The only one I'd have a problem with might be the last one. That would be cuz I believe the Prince of Peace is Jesus and not all the world religions view him as God. |
Many non-Christians have found genuine inner peace and strength through their religious belief and practice, regardless of religion or culture. If you haven’t met any such people yet, then if you’re interested, books like ‘The Wings of Joy’ by Indian spiritual leader Sri Chinmoy, or ‘Living Buddha, Living Christ’ by Buddhist Thich Nhat Hanh, will prove the point. Their words and views truly ooze wisdom, compassion and peace, and one would have to be misguided to claim that such people are in touch with false gods.
I'm sure all such religious folk have found the spiritual riches and goodness of Jesus, the Living Christ, only from a different perspective and cultural context, i.e. whether they recognise Him as Jesus or not. What are your views regarding the issue I described about being born into a loving Muslim household, which I mentioned in post #184? (There’s as much chance of converting a Muslim to Christianity as there is of converting a Christian to Islam, incidentally.)
| Before Jesus went to the cross he said in the upper room to His own. "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you, not as the world gives, I give to you. His peace surpasses all understanding. |
All our religions claim that true inner peace does not come from this world, (i.e. from material possessions, good looks, a romantic partner etc.), but that true inner peace and inner wealth is attained by getting in touch with the good
Spiritual Source and Heavenly riches. I'm sure that all religionists whose hearts are in the right place are in touch with the same Heavenly Source as Christians. Even Buddhists, who claim that inner peace comes from within, are not out of sync with Christian teachings. Jesus said, "The Kingdom of God does not come visibly. No one will say 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!'; because the Kingdom of God is
within you.” - Luke 17.21.
(Both principles are right, in my opinion. It doesn’t have to be just one principle or the other. Christianity teaches that God’s Spirit not only exists ‘up there and out there’, but is also the Ground of Being, and that the Kingdom of God is within us.)
| I could go on....but I'm thinking you're buying into multiculturalism....and you should think more about this by studying first what it really means. Especially since you do believe in Jesus. The two religions have nothing in common but Abraham....one son went one way and the other went the other way. As Christians we follow Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. You can't be on two roads at the same time unless you are standing in the fork of the road and sooner or later you have to choose a direction to go in. |
I believe that Islam and Christianity, and all world religions for that matter, are streams which lead to the same Ocean. Christ is the Water which flows in the streams and in the Ocean, (speaking metaphorically, of course.) The “straight and narrow path”, to which Jesus referred, is straight and narrow in relation to the world’s wide and winding paths, most of which offer peace, prosperity and increased self-esteem, but which really lead to disillusionment, spiritual bankruptcy, and disappointment. These paths of the world, and the “idols” which can be found there, are the real “false gods” to which our religions refer.
I believe that the one true road is the Living Christ – the One God - the truth, the way and the life. I'm sure God love His children, regardless of which culture or religious backdrop they're born into.