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Is New Orleans the new Atlantis? Should we rebuild it?

Is New Orleans the new Atlantis? Should we rebuild it?

I have friends that live in New Orleans. Thank God that they safely evacuated before Katrina came blowing through.

Meanwhile, my friends, and the residents in Gulfport, Biloxi, New Orleans, and the surrounding areas that were hit will now be facing the prospects of needing months to rebuild their cities, and along with those months of time, will need billions in disaster relief, insurance payouts, and other assistance to help get things back to normal.

What I want to ask here though, is should things get back to normal in New Orleans and these other areas? Or, should we instead learn some serious lessons and perhaps instead look at New Orleans as a modern day Atlantis - a lost city that many believe was swallowed by the ocean and wiped from the face of the Earth.

Please don't mistake what I write here as being cruel, heartless and non-caring for the people that were affected by these storms. I don't want to see anyone that lost their home, their possessions, or god forbid lost a loved one or loved ones because of these storms have to endure more hardships, but at the same time, I think a little common sense needs to be brought into the picture here.

Much like the areas of California that are constantly impacted by mud-slides that cause very expensive homes to be lost (literally washed down the hills), the idea that tax money and donations to relief agencies by the bulk of the citizens in the country will go towards rebuilding things implies to me that some responsibility must be placed on the people that will have their homes rebuilt at others expense.

Would we perhaps be wise to move New Orleans, LA to say South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Nevada or some other safer area? I mean quite literally, would we be wise to require that anyone that gets disaster relief money from the government be bound by an agreement to move away from Louisiana, or at the very least, away from the land that was just swallowed by nature's wrath and covered with water because it was already sitting below sea level?

I know that for some New Orleans was a beautiful city, it was their home, the only place they had known, but then again, it also has been described as a city that includes many poor people. People who were working poor, who couldn't afford to move away from the area because they didn't have enough money, or didn't have a job to go to.

Given the almost complete and total devestation of the city, is it time to simply move New Orleans and put it in a much safer place, with a new start for all of it's residents?

Something to ponder....
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Reply #26 Top
You haven't looked. And no, I refuse to do your homework for you, other than to suggest you do a google search for global warming. but likely, the only one's you'll believe are the crackpots who dispute it. Go figure.........


I am have read a lot about it. There is no decisive evidence that it exists.
Reply #27 Top
From Newsmax? Head up your ass politics, at work again.


Dabe, you were doing great until the above part. Please understand that when you discuss things without the obscenities and vulgarities, and make your point in sentences that anyone would read and not be offended by it goes much farther to conveying the message, rather than losing it in the noise you throw in with it.

Understand, I'm one that curses a blue streak on more than the odd occasion (sp?), but I learned a long time ago that writing and communicating in a mature manner will be much more effective than letting flow with obscenities as if I had Tourrette's (sp?) syndrome.
Reply #28 Top
BTW, on the argument that New Orleans is already "in land", I think most reasonable people know and understand it's a port city. It doesn't get to be a port city without being "on the water". It may be in land from the further reaches of the traditional gulf coast, but it's still primarily a coastal city. The illustrations that Dabe included in her replies may help people see the point more clearly, but people that been through childhood geography probably are well aware of New Orleans relationship to the water. Certainly the news over the last week has helped to drive the point home even more.


Meanwhile, there's an excellent article in today's The Washington Times, headline is linked below.



Rebuilding the city will change its face

By Guy Taylor
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
September 2, 2005
The reclamation of New Orleans -- once the floodwaters are removed -- will require the demolition of neighborhoods and the full-scale reconstruction of infrastructure, a multibillion dollar prospect expected to forever change the historic city's unique face.
The price tag estimated in the tens of billions of dollars inevitably has sparked debate -- despite the city's 287-year history -- about the logic of rebuilding and how to best ensure surviving future hurricanes in a bowl-shaped flood plain among rivers, lakes and bayous.

{ snipped out report of Hastert's original comments on the situation }
Mr. Hastert later took back some of his words, issuing a statement couched in terms of "when we rebuild this historic city." He specified that "I am not advocating that the city be abandoned or relocated."
President Bush and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco already have vowed to rebuild the city, and Rep. Charlie Melancon, Louisiana Democrat, yesterday called the speaker's comment irresponsible.
"The world loves New Orleans, and I assure you that great city and the communities in Southeast Louisiana will be rebuilt," he said.
Mrs. Blanco went further, demanding an immediate apology from Mr. Hastert.
"To kick us when we're down and destroy hope, when hope is the only thing we have left, is absolutely unthinkable for a leader in his position," she said last night.
Economists cite the importance of the region's Mississippi River port, the busiest in the nation, and the crude oil refineries that produce upward of 40 percent of the nation's oil and gas as reasons to rebuild.
Mary Comerio, author of "Disaster Hits Home," predicted the city would be rebuilt, but it would take years. She compared the destruction in New Orleans to the 1995 earthquake in Kobe, Japan, which left 300,000 homeless and cost more than $150 billion to rebuild over five years.


... much more at original article (please check out the original, it's worth the read)
Reply #29 Top
New Orleans is not on the coast. It is 60 miles inland.

You can't be serious?

I think you should look at the map again, but use Google this time and set it for satellite.

Read about the area and what it is made of and you will find that it is not exaclty the same 'inland' as say being inland on the Califoria coast.
Reply #30 Top
Dabe, you were doing great until the above part.


Seems to be a favorite expression in these here parts these days, so I'll use it, too.......

Me bad.
Reply #31 Top

You're very welcome, guy, but I was actually proving my point. For anyone to think that New Orleans is not a coastal city, is ridiculous. Patently ridiculous. Ever hear of the term "estuarine environments"? Nah, probably not.

No, Va. Beach is a coastal city.  Richmond is not, even tho we have tidal rivers.  You would condemn 1/3 of the US by your definition, and it would not do a damn bit of good.  New Orleans is not coastal, just because it has a port.  Richmond, Baltimore and Philadelphia have ports too, and not one of them are coastal either (and all have tidal rivers).

Reply #32 Top

Read about the area and what it is made of and you will find that it is not exaclty the same 'inland' as say being inland on the Califoria coast.

Butit is very much inland like on the east coast.

Reply #33 Top
Seems to be a favorite expression in these here parts these days, so I'll use it, too.......Me bad.


Not trying to thread hi-jack my own thread, but a few more words here:

Just so you know Dabe, I do think you are an intelligent individual, obviously passionate about issues, but many times you let the heat of the discussion give you an excuse for letting the obscenities fly and it really does become nothing but noise for your discussion (totally losing your point along the way).

I'd rather see you staying involved in the discussions. You seem to have a lot to say, much of which might help educate others, if done in a way that isn't so angry and antagonistic. Even when people disagree with you (which may happen often), maintaining decorum will help make the other side look worse, rather than leaving yourself looking that way.

I know that some on "my side" (the righties for the most part) might be quick to toss around insults and labels as well, and I think that reflects badly on those individuals also. For the most part, because those individuals might make the same sort of arguments I would make, I don't really need to see their comments (not that I don't appreciate them, they may say something I've forgotten or not considered), but the discussion will be much more interactive if there are people from the other side involved. Especially people that are intelligent and informed, rather than those that are simply spewing talking points that they found at DU, MoveOn.org or other such places. (Or, as you would point out, those that only get info from Newsmax or other such sources).
Reply #34 Top
I'm not condemning coastal cities. Quite the leap you're making. But, I'm not denying that they are coastal. Being on a river, ie Philadelphia being on the Delaware River is not coastal, though it is a port city. New Orleans is built on an estuarine environment, part of the coastal system that is what makes up the gulf coast.

Why are you making such a big deal to defend something that is so pathetically indefensible? Oh, I know. I, me, dabe said it, therefore it needs to be refuted.

OK let's continue this game.....

the earth is not round, but rather ellipsoid.

Ice is not cold, it's absent heat.

Mt. Everest is the highest point on the earth.

Joeuser has racist posters.
Reply #35 Top
I know that some on "my side" (the righties for the most part) might be quick to toss around insults and labels as well, and I think that reflects badly on those individuals also.


So, why is it you so easily give them a pass, but hold me accountable every time I say something that you find off color? Please do not hold me to some higher standard, just because I'm a liberal. However, thank you for expecting.
Reply #36 Top
why is it you so easily give them a pass,


You might want to look at it not as me giving them a pass, more me figuring that they may not be as worried about getting their message out through their own noise. (You might even say I look at some of them as complete lost causes...)

I'd prefer equal standards, but some people definitely won't play by those rules. Regardless of that though, it doesn't mean that we shouldn't strive to watch our manners and clean up our communication.
Reply #37 Top

New Orleans is built on an estuarine environment, part of the coastal system that is what makes up the gulf coast.

You miss my point.  So is half the east coast.  It may have been coast a few million years ago, it is not now.  Half the state of virginia (and I wager of most east coast states) are estuarine.

Reply #38 Top
You miss my point.


Whatever. New Orleans, by guy's standards is not on the coast. whatever...............