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London - Look To The Explosive Characteristics

London - Look To The Explosive Characteristics

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There are some anomalies related to this latest 'new terrorist group's' blitz on the London transport system. Of course the most immediate and important factor to assess the incident is the visual aspect. Unfortunately, good clear images of the actual damage are overshadowed by the many images of the victims and their pain. When an explosion occurs the first thing the experts do is to look at the immediate characteristics of the blast to determine the basics, such as type of explosive and its aftermath effects. Explosions can leave clues almost as damning as someone's fingerprint, and that's whether you accept it or not.
I have been searching for a definitive account of what type of explosive was used. The lack of any smoke and incindiery effects on the bus would suggest not some low grade high-incindiery explosive, but rather the powerful high-order military explosive from the C4-Semtex-H category. The key being the word 'military'. Would a (laughable) "Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe" have access to high order military explosives? These questions will be answered once more information is selectively released. Let it be said that this is a horrible tragedy and those responsible should be brought to justice in a swift manner.
State News, Retract It, Wipe Page Clean
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=85346
Israel was warned before the first explosive was even detonated. So says the Israeli news. Before they wiped it from their site. So what would that mean? That Israel had advance warning, or even possibly foreknowledge about the attack. I state now that instead of using the anti-Semite lie over this, remember it's the Israelis themselves who said they have forewarning. No me. Them.
In all honesty, don't you think the whole thing is happening to get the west all pissed at Muslims all over again? Some say kill em all, deport them, those Muslim fuckers and whatnot...The timing, no one can argue, is fortunate for some people. And for a specific few, it bought them a new lease on time.
"Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe"<----fairy tales. Do you all really buy into this? Hey there's a new group in the middle east now. It's called "Top Secret - US imperialists In The Middle East"...you know that sounds silly, and the reverse is no different.
If any more anomalies pop up I will update this thread. And if I'm wrong I shall gladly retract my doubts. Just as you want evidence that proves someone did it, I seek evidence that proves someone did not.
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Reply #26 Top
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/international/europe/12intel.html?ex=1121832000&en=b693b3b6ce354623&ei=5070&emc=eta1
For those of you who like to pretend you think I'm full of shit, consider the following:
What does it mean to you that someone like me knew what kind of explosive was used solely from having seen the picture of that bus while the mainstream media, like the NYT, are just now getting around to telling you what I already said to you all, amid guffaws and trolling no less. I told you all the type of explosive used in the fabled London Attack well before you decided to believe it once it hit the mainstream.
"Because of the small size of the bombs, some investigators initially said last week that they were relatively crude."
This is a red flag for anyone willing to trust in science. The size of the bomb has no bearing on the type of explosive used. It's relative to the after effects. Experts don't initially look at how much damage the explosive caused in order to determine the type of explosive used. That's silly. They look at what kind of damage the explosive created. Like any investigator would say, different explosives all have unique 'fingerprints' which can be initially deduced by experts immediately, as soon as they get a look at the damage. Don't get fooled into thinking you can only determine the type of explosive by deducing what it is, because upon initial visual inspection you can easily determine what kind of explosives they aren't. There is something wrong with this situation and it will definitely become much clearer in the near future. When it appears, you all will the the first people I inform.
Reply #27 Top
Do you understand that "military grade" explosvies are available on the black market?

Your stupid conspiracy theories hold no proof, no facts, and documentation. Just bs.
Reply #28 Top
When it appears, you all will the the first people I inform.


It is believed that each of the four bombs consisted of ten pounds (4.5 kg) of military high explosives, possibly the explosive RDX. [13] [14] The bombs were likely placed on the floor of the trains and bus. Link

RDX forms the base for a number of common military explosives: Composition A (wax-coated, granular explosive consisting of RDX and plasticizing wax), composition A5 (mixed with 1.5% stearic acid), composition B (castable mixtures of RDX and TNT), composition C (a plastic demolition explosive consisting of RDX, other explosives, and plasticizers), composition D, HBX (castable mixtures of RDX, TNT, powdered aluminium, and D-2 wax with calcium chloride), H-6, Cyclotol and C4. Link

Good ol' Wikipedia comes through again!! ;~D
Reply #29 Top
I don't see why everyone is lambasting RH here. Granted the timing of the post was a little early following the deaths and destruction but isn't RH just trying to cast light on a theory.

The theory does not state Israel was behind this only that they received possible information before it happened.
The theory was putting forth the possibility that the US and or UK Gov could have something to gain by this.

I don't buy into the theory but theories are meant for discussion.
I don't know about RH's posting history but some posters are just on attack mode
Reply #30 Top
"I don't know about RH's posting history but some posters are just on attack mode"


Maybe the posting history is why we are in attack mode. R.H. has gotten smarter and now just alludes to Israel, instead of openly accusing them as in previous attacks.

If you want to take it all at face value, knock yourself out, but there's only so many times I can deal with holocaust revisionism, "Jews are a Disease" blogs, and "Isreal had something to do with it" theories. Sure, on the surface it is all history, free speech and paranoia, but after a while you begin to see an icky pattern in the protest.

P.S. the explosives are now suspected to have been brought in from the Balkans, where military ordinance is still available, and where terrorists have functioned openly for decades.
Reply #31 Top
I don't see why everyone is lambasting RH here. Granted the timing of the post was a little early following the deaths and destruction but isn't RH just trying to cast light on a theory.


RH can post as he wishes, and I do joy hearing some of his crazy theories. I hope my input about access to military grade explosives and easy access to train yards/cars in Europe point out why IMO his theories just don't add up. I have a few connect the dot theories myself (i.e. China/Gore/nuke tech links) that most people would shake their head over also.

I really want people like RH on both sides to continue to post even wild ideas, because I get tired of reading two people agreeing with each other all day.

But I also get tired of people who continue to repost items as fact or common knowledge when those items have been proven wrong or noted as highly slanted over and over and over again.

SushiK, I don't think your post was directed at me. But, I just don't buy the theory that Israel/US/UK would sabotage their own innocent citizen’s lives like this to sink a peace process that they want seen finished and yet those who publicly tell their own people to kill anybody not cooperating with their twisted religious beliefs (even other Muslims) would not do something like this.

Even if it is found that the explosives had been made in the US or Israel, does not prove anything either. It just heightens the chances that the explosives was removed from an unexploded bomb, one of millions mines lay along the Israeli borders/Balkans, or dud Artillery round fire on a Hezbollah rocket base in Lebanon. Access from the Middle East through Europe is a joke, compared to attempting entry into the US and most Americans that have not traveled through Europe know that fact.
Reply #32 Top
I believe in free speech as well. People like R.H. can harp to the heavens about the Jews plotting to take over the world, as long as they can stand MY free speech in return. If not, maybe they shouldn't start what they can't deal with.
Reply #33 Top
For those of you who like to pretend you think I'm full of shit, consider the following


We don't have to think, we "know" you are!