London - Look To The Explosive Characteristics

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There are some anomalies related to this latest 'new terrorist group's' blitz on the London transport system. Of course the most immediate and important factor to assess the incident is the visual aspect. Unfortunately, good clear images of the actual damage are overshadowed by the many images of the victims and their pain. When an explosion occurs the first thing the experts do is to look at the immediate characteristics of the blast to determine the basics, such as type of explosive and its aftermath effects. Explosions can leave clues almost as damning as someone's fingerprint, and that's whether you accept it or not.
I have been searching for a definitive account of what type of explosive was used. The lack of any smoke and incindiery effects on the bus would suggest not some low grade high-incindiery explosive, but rather the powerful high-order military explosive from the C4-Semtex-H category. The key being the word 'military'. Would a (laughable) "Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe" have access to high order military explosives? These questions will be answered once more information is selectively released. Let it be said that this is a horrible tragedy and those responsible should be brought to justice in a swift manner.
State News, Retract It, Wipe Page Clean
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=85346
Israel was warned before the first explosive was even detonated. So says the Israeli news. Before they wiped it from their site. So what would that mean? That Israel had advance warning, or even possibly foreknowledge about the attack. I state now that instead of using the anti-Semite lie over this, remember it's the Israelis themselves who said they have forewarning. No me. Them.
In all honesty, don't you think the whole thing is happening to get the west all pissed at Muslims all over again? Some say kill em all, deport them, those Muslim fuckers and whatnot...The timing, no one can argue, is fortunate for some people. And for a specific few, it bought them a new lease on time.
"Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe"<----fairy tales. Do you all really buy into this? Hey there's a new group in the middle east now. It's called "Top Secret - US imperialists In The Middle East"...you know that sounds silly, and the reverse is no different.
If any more anomalies pop up I will update this thread. And if I'm wrong I shall gladly retract my doubts. Just as you want evidence that proves someone did it, I seek evidence that proves someone did not.
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Israel was warned before the first explosive was even detonated. So says the Israeli news. Before they wiped it from their site. So what would that mean? That Israel had advance warning, or even possibly foreknowledge about the attack. I state now that instead of using the anti-Semite lie over this, remember it's the Israelis themselves who said they have forewarning. No me. Them.


That has already been debunked. After every attack in the world someone always says Israel was warned.


"Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe"<----fairy tales. Do you all really buy into this? Hey there's a new group in the middle east now. It's called "Top Secret - US imperialists In The Middle East"...you know that sounds silly, and the reverse is no different.
If any more anomalies pop up I will update this thread. And if I'm wrong I shall gladly retract my doubts. Just as you want evidence that proves someone did it, I seek evidence that proves someone did not.


Let's see. It hasn't even been a day since the attacks and already the conspiracy theories are out there. Pathetic.
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Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Israel's Finance Minister and former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was on his way to address British businessmen at a London hotel when the first bomb exploded in a nearby London Underground station Thursday morning.

Israel denies reports that Netanyahu had received advance information about the attacks and was warned to stay away before the blasts happened.

Israel's Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev dismissed those reports as "rubbish."

Regev said he wanted to make it unequivocally clear: "All our information was afterwards."

Netanyahu's advisor Amir Gilad explained what had happened in a radio interview.

"We were exactly on our way to the hotel [located over a subway station -- the first one to blow up-, Gilad said.

"We were asked by the British security sources not to arrive at the hotel. Still it was not clear what was happening. We stayed in the hotel where we were guests," Gilad said.


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He's not the only one. This is what will happen in the next days.

The U.S. will get blamed for bombings.
Israel will still get accused, just because they are Israelis.
The left will start with the "understand the terrorists" rhetoric.
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Anyone can get miltary explosives or weapons if they have the cash to pay for them. It isn't really all that difficult.
I notice that the murderous group hasn't denied responsibility. More absurd ideas from the hate America mentality.
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You fucking scum.

People are DEAD tonight and you are defending their killers? What fucking planet are you on?

""Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe"<----fairy tales. Do you all really buy into this?"

Are you seriously saying there is not an Islamic conspiracy? There is no Al Qaeda in Europe? You must be drunk or taking the piss. I cannot express how angry and offended I am right now.
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I can only echo Offended Brit's outrage.

RH deserves nothing but scorn.

Daiwa
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RH,

Your post is a perfect example of why I refuse to discuss anything with you. Your mentally ill and need help. Please see a therapist before you go to far and start to see little green men planting explosives under your rose bushes... The dust hasn't even settled and you talking like a madman. Do yourself a favor, seek professional help, please.
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Look jerk this is just to damn much! LW was RIGHT to condem you and your newest piece of anti-sematic crap! Now disappear fool!
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True Mason but with the supposed huge fortunes the 'terrorists' have access to, and the fact that they have been aided and sometimes even funded by the highest levels of particular middle eastern governments and their regimes, it's folly to not wonder why they didn't use those same more-powerful military explosives in the first place. Take the Basque seperatists in Spain. Up until that dark day in Madrid, every single bomb by the Basque group was low-order high incindiery bomb blasts, in other words pretty low class. So it's a mystery why a totally different blast characteristic, different as compared to all their ones previously, would immediately make them suspect. And no one mentions it either. All of a sudden the Basque group had military high grade plastic explosives which never left enough heat or fire to warm someone's hand in summertime. Big anomaly.
Each of the trains in Spain (ants in France) that were blown up were what is called "first service train straight out of the night rail yards after overnight servicing and cleaning". No one can place bombs under a train in transit. Nor could anyone plant bombs on tracks and have them detonated at the precise times, many times over. The bombs were on those trains when they left the rail yard. The ETA and Al-Queda don't have access to the highly secure overnight terminal.
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Is there no end to your allegience to the terrorist bacteria?

The lack of any smoke and incindiery effects on the bus would suggest not some low grade high-incindiery explosive, but rather the powerful high-order military explosive from the C4-Semtex-H category. The key being the word 'military'. Would a (laughable) "Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe" have access to high order military explosives?


What do you think the bacteria have been using in Iraq all this time... Black powder? If an IED in Iraq had the power to flip an Armored Personnel Carrier over, what makes YOU think they didn't have the "military" order of explosives you speak of? Once again the great Reiki House comes to the defense of the bacteria, showing your allegiences for what they are.
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The ETA and Al-Queda don't have access to the highly secure overnight terminal.


Right, because terrorists would never do such a thing as "breaking and entering".

You whole thing is stupid. You are defending terrorists, simple as that.
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The ETA and Al-Queda don't have access to the highly secure overnight terminal.


Right, because terrorists would never do such a thing as "breaking and entering".

Your whole thing is stupid. You are defending terrorists, simple as that.
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Far as we know, the explosives were just as likely strapped to the bodies of homicide bombers. No access to the "highly secure overnight terminal" would be needed for that. Spit.

Daiwa
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I suppose Madrid was a big Zionist plot, too, then, since it utilized more than slings and camel whips...

Did the Jews also commit all the IRA's, ETA's attacks that used military ordinance? Should we look dubiously on an IRA-claimed attack unless it was exploding blarney stones or something? Rigged beer kegs? Molotov cocktails made with Dalwhinney bottles? Only Irish whiskey bottles, though, if it was a Canadian bottle it would be an insurgent...


It goes to show how culturally restricting your mind is to pretend that you can somehow racially profile bombers by the ordinance they use. Don't be an ass Reiki, you are smart enough to see the holes in this stuff yourself. You've just gotten your "skepticism" so twisted that you can't even pee with it...
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Given that most of the ordinance used on us in Iraq is Chinese, French, and Russian, can we go ahead then and assume it is a conspiracy? OH... wait. Only you can do that.
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Are you seriously saying there is not an Islamic conspiracy? There is no Al Qaeda in Europe? You must be drunk or taking the piss. I cannot express how angry and offended I am right now.



Reiki-House, and everyone, Check this link:

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Found this in a Time Magazine...

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The United States raised the terror alert a notch to code orange - result you lose a little more freedom (again)
_ Who do you think these terrorists are Muslims? or people that have a vested interest in keeping the war on terror going no matter what the cost and what is the ultimate goal of the war mongers ( Anyone with half a brain can figure out that its Al-Queda that the American backed and funded bin laden group)
so once again the terrorists win!! HOW because YOU WILL CONTINUE TO LOSE YOUR FREEDOM UNTILL YOU HAVE NONE.
THE PRICE OF FREEDOM IS VIGILANCE THE PRICE OF VIGILANCE IS FREEDOM.



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"The United States raised the terror alert a notch to code orange - result you lose a little more freedom (again)"


Prove it. Name a freedom that I lost today I had yesterday. Empty fearmongering.
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Prove it. Name a freedom that I lost today I had yesterday. Empty fearmongering


--Hmmm......*thinks real hard*....Hmmmm *thinks harder*.....Hmmmm, ya know what BakerStreet....I am unable to think of one...i wonder why...
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The United States raised the terror alert a notch to code orange - result you lose a little more freedom (again)


I am going to add this to my request that the left proves these allegations. Not one person loses freedoms because of a terror alert. That is just liberal rhetoric and scare tactics at work.
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The key being the word 'military'. Would a (laughable) "Secret Organization — al-Qaeda in Europe" have access to high order military explosives?


You do know that the same explosives are in land mines? There are millions of the things scattered all over the Kashmir region, Africa, and the Balkans.

I am sure with a plane ticket, $1000 to pay the poor guy willing to dig one up, and a duffle bag to drive across Europe (remember they really don't have boarder stops anymore), I would have enough explosives to do the same thing as London or Madrid.

The ETA and Al-Queda don't have access to the highly secure overnight terminal.


I really dought that trains are kept in highly secure areas in Spain. When I lived in Germany, most trains are stored at their last station on the open tracks, with only the doors locked. I know they are only locked because I staggered to one late night after partying to hard hoping to sleep it off and be on the first train home. I ended up sleeping in the station instead. Anyone could have spent four hours using a portable drill to attach a bomb to the bottom of a train, with only a pair of bolt cutters at the most for entry.

Again, you’re trying to build a theory that goes against common sense.
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Wasting your time, Lee. You can't compare this attack to Madrid, because R.H. probably thinks Israel did that one too.

Does this smack as racist to anyone else? I mean, sure, white Europeans can get military grade equipment, but if the attack wasn't with rocks or camel whips it couldn't have been an Arab?

Have we forgotten the ship that was caught between Iran and Palestine carrying $100,000,000 in Soviet and Chinese arms? Does R.H. really believe that the terrorists who blow themselves up in Israel use, say, cherry bombs?

I still want to know since insurgents in Iraq are using Russian, Chinese, and French hardware, if R.H. believes the Russians and the rest are behind it? Heck, they must be right? Where would poor terrorists get such stuff?

The same way the ones in London did.
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Has any group claimed responsibility yet? To my knowledge I haven't seen any so far. I would be hesitant to point fingers until we can see which group and what motives were involved.

While I think blaming Israel may be premature at this point - I would never exclude Ariel and his shanangans as innocent. All I think RH is purposing is that there are groups other that Al Quada present.
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yes, a group claimed responsiblity, and if you think Sharon or Israel would bomb London you really need to get a clue.

You need to go back and look at R.H.'s body of work, if you think this is 'open mindedness'. Especially the stuff about 9-11 and the holocaust...
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and if you think Sharon or Israel would bomb London you really need to get a clue.

Bombing London no. Deteriorating middle east relations and becoming the epi center of discontent - emphatically yes.