Relligious Fanatic on the Subway
OR: When you KNOW your going to have your words twisted.................
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Hi Peeps, (does anyone say Peeps anymore?)
I hope the pics come out I never did this b4.
So here I am much like any other morning riding to the city (Manhattan, NY) on the morning A train and we have them all during the bankers hours shift (9-5) on the train. From the Chineese Boat Refugees selling batteries and DVD's to the kid's from the Boro's selling candy, ( I give them credit and appreciate the honesty cuz they will always utter....... "for myself to stay out of trouble and off the streets) and we have the pan handlers who use AIDS as an excuse and that makes me sick, (BEFORE you throw a rock here just think I MUST have a solid reason Ok?) to lastly in this article but surely not the last on the A train the Black Muslim's selling incense and oil's to help out poor Louis Farrakhan and other hate mongers.
So in comes this "Subway Screamer" (that's what some of us call them cuz many times U must yell to be heard) the other day and its a familiar woman who preaches Jesus (yes, I consider myself Christian altho Im prob better advertised as Spiritual) and after reading a Q the other day in this forum I have been JUST DYING to ask someone about how the "rapture" is going to work. For the un-initiated "The Rapture" is when Jesus returns in Glory to call the dead to life with HIm and He will gather the living followers to HImself also and we will live with Christ in Heaven at that time BUT are you now ready cuz here comes my Q: IF Christ is coming back on a cloud to raise the dead and to take his followers with him THEN, how is THIS GONNA WORK? I mean if Heaven is a spiritual place on a spiritual plane then WHY would He wake the dead instead of just calling their souls to HImself or taking the souls to heaven right?
Also, what about the living people at the time do they have to die to go to this spiritual place OR are we all of a sudden NOT going to the spiritual place and we are going to live in these forms forevermore? I cant really see that, anyone agree? I mean this poses so many problems that I was actually scared to ask this Subway Screamer cuz I JUST KNOW she would have seen it as Blasphemous and she prob would have thought I was trying to make trouble and I thought the least that was gonna happen was she was gonna twist my words and not even answer me but go right into a long shpiel about "those who oppose God or something" and become so defensive that I knew I wouldnt get a fair shot at rational conversation.
I now all of a sudden am wondering if I have this all correct in my head and NOW I have to read all this again Thanks to ModerateMan for his original question about Heaven and where is it which spurred all of this thought out of me!
The Rapture
( or google the "second coming" for info on the subject)
There is definitely a rapture (1 Cor 15:51-52 and 1 Thes 4:16-17) and we, born-again Christians, will definitely be raptured out before God's wrath commences (1 Thes 5:9), but what is the sequence of events during the endtimes? Perhaps the verses between 1 Thes 4:16 and 5:9 will help us.
Remembering, it is man, and not God, who put in the chapter and verse divisions, what does God teach us through Paul? "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up (raptured) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Premillennialists often give much attention to the doctrine of the rapture. According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17, which states, "For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord."
Premillennialists hold, as do virtually all Christians (except certain postmillennialists), that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1–4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture—though it was not called that at the time—would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the "post-tribulational" view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation.
I hope the pics come out I never did this b4.
So here I am much like any other morning riding to the city (Manhattan, NY) on the morning A train and we have them all during the bankers hours shift (9-5) on the train. From the Chineese Boat Refugees selling batteries and DVD's to the kid's from the Boro's selling candy, ( I give them credit and appreciate the honesty cuz they will always utter....... "for myself to stay out of trouble and off the streets) and we have the pan handlers who use AIDS as an excuse and that makes me sick, (BEFORE you throw a rock here just think I MUST have a solid reason Ok?) to lastly in this article but surely not the last on the A train the Black Muslim's selling incense and oil's to help out poor Louis Farrakhan and other hate mongers.
So in comes this "Subway Screamer" (that's what some of us call them cuz many times U must yell to be heard) the other day and its a familiar woman who preaches Jesus (yes, I consider myself Christian altho Im prob better advertised as Spiritual) and after reading a Q the other day in this forum I have been JUST DYING to ask someone about how the "rapture" is going to work. For the un-initiated "The Rapture" is when Jesus returns in Glory to call the dead to life with HIm and He will gather the living followers to HImself also and we will live with Christ in Heaven at that time BUT are you now ready cuz here comes my Q: IF Christ is coming back on a cloud to raise the dead and to take his followers with him THEN, how is THIS GONNA WORK? I mean if Heaven is a spiritual place on a spiritual plane then WHY would He wake the dead instead of just calling their souls to HImself or taking the souls to heaven right?
Also, what about the living people at the time do they have to die to go to this spiritual place OR are we all of a sudden NOT going to the spiritual place and we are going to live in these forms forevermore? I cant really see that, anyone agree? I mean this poses so many problems that I was actually scared to ask this Subway Screamer cuz I JUST KNOW she would have seen it as Blasphemous and she prob would have thought I was trying to make trouble and I thought the least that was gonna happen was she was gonna twist my words and not even answer me but go right into a long shpiel about "those who oppose God or something" and become so defensive that I knew I wouldnt get a fair shot at rational conversation.
I now all of a sudden am wondering if I have this all correct in my head and NOW I have to read all this again Thanks to ModerateMan for his original question about Heaven and where is it which spurred all of this thought out of me!
The Rapture
( or google the "second coming" for info on the subject)
There is definitely a rapture (1 Cor 15:51-52 and 1 Thes 4:16-17) and we, born-again Christians, will definitely be raptured out before God's wrath commences (1 Thes 5:9), but what is the sequence of events during the endtimes? Perhaps the verses between 1 Thes 4:16 and 5:9 will help us.
Remembering, it is man, and not God, who put in the chapter and verse divisions, what does God teach us through Paul? "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of [the] archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up (raptured) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Premillennialists often give much attention to the doctrine of the rapture. According to this doctrine, when Christ returns, all of the elect who have died will be raised and transformed into a glorious state, along with the living elect, and then be caught up to be with Christ. The key text referring to the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:16–17, which states, "For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord."
Premillennialists hold, as do virtually all Christians (except certain postmillennialists), that the Second Coming will be preceded by a time of great trouble and persecution of God’s people (2 Thess. 2:1–4). This period is often called the tribulation. Until the nineteenth century, all Christians agreed that the rapture—though it was not called that at the time—would occur immediately before the Second Coming, at the close of the period of persecution. This position is today called the "post-tribulational" view because it says the rapture will come after the tribulation.
