Show Us Your Papers!

This will be abused in the same way that current ID's are abused. You steal one and use it while the very bored/unconcerned clerk never notices that it isn't yours. ID's are almost as big a joke as the signature on a check.

I have to agree with greywar..... there is nothing man can creat that another man can break/decode/falsify.

Great Points Mason!!

I think what we are seeing is the result of enough whiny "there outta be a law" Americans crying their plea to the federal government.

Guess what folks, we are losing our rights and it is all our fault!

We know where the illegals are, we know where to find them, national ID cards are a joke, a lie and an encroachment on our rights. The problem is, they are also what the whiny wimps and sheep are bleating out for.

I agree as well. This is yet another Federal bright idea designed to infringe on our rights and accomplish little else. I wonder how many tax dollars will be flushed in connection with this pointless idea?

Guess what folks, we are losing our rights and it is all our fault!

(singing)

Looook for the Libertarian label,
The Libertarian label,
The Libertarian label.

I'll bring you guys around yet!

Promises and "IF ELECTED, I WILL..." songs are struck up during election times. But the most popular song is, "BRINGING IN THE SHEEP!!!" Seems like that is what we're becoming.

Heres an interesting fact...
Israel is very ofen referred to as "the only democracy in the Middle East".
Hows this for democratic??
All Israeli citizens are required by law to carry identity cards, On these cards it is stated if the person is a Jew or an Arab. This semed undemocratic... so those words were removed. I for one was pleased with this change, but I just realised that the words were replaced by a number of stars...one set symbolising Jew, the other Arab... cute eh??

This is yet another Federal bright idea designed to infringe on our rights and accomplish little else

Please explain how this will lead to an errosion of our rights

Please explain how this will lead to an errosion of our rights

I think the title says it all.  Remember The Hunt for Red October?  When the Soviet exec asked about living in Montana and driving from state to state "With no Papers?" "no Papers, Vassily".

I think the title says it all. Remember The Hunt for Red October? When the Soviet exec asked about living in Montana and driving from state to state "With no Papers?" "no Papers, Vassily".

not good enough

Someone please tell me descriptively why this will lead us all into cages?

Someone please tell me descriptively why this will lead us all into cages?

Want to take off on a lark and go somewhere just for the fun of it?  No papers, no go.  You must get your travel visas in order first.

That is a big jump from national Cards to State Lock-Down.

That is a big jump from national Cards to State Lock-Down.

Not really. In disaster areas that I have worked, we have often closed off neighborhoods, towns and in one case basically half the county.

In less than a day, we National Guard volunteers created a perimeter that closed every road. Sometimes we closed the area to local residents only, checking IDs of everyone entering, exiting and even once they were inside. If the damage to the homes was bad enough, we shut it down completely. Everyone was evacuated, no one could return. Not even the press.

In those cases it took very few troops. Most people wanted nothing to do with their property during and immediately following the disaster. However, if we could mobilize and create a perimeter with relatively few troops, just think how quickly and completely we could set up "checkpoints" all over the country.

No "papers", you don't get past this checkpoint. Need to travel, go to your local city building and justify to them why you need to travel. If you are travelling out of the state, you need clearance from officials in each state.

This would take less than a day to mobilize. Most of the work in setting it up could be done in secret, nationwide.

Remember, the Berlin Wall went up basically overnight. We wouldn't need to build a wall.

One of the problems is that the state drivers license acts as an essential ID document in so many cases. Show a good looking fake in a different state and you get through without a thought. The real problem comes up when you deal with states that have no enforced restrictions on obtaining a license. The drivers license is essentially used as proof of citizenship. State borders are completely open, and that's a wonderful thing, but it then makes the entire US as secure as the least secure state.

We can spend billions on the Homeland Security Dept and hire tons of security people for airports and all that great stuff, but it is wasted money if we allow a wide open back door to becoming a practical citizen.

This will not eliminate all problems, but through stricter requirements and a uniform look so it should be easier to identify fakes, it's a step towards safety that is not proven to limit freedom or impost controls. All it's doing is taking what is already considered a universal ID/proof of citizenship and making it uniform across the board.

I would welcome the idea for a national ID.

This is America not a 3rd world country, nor Nazi germany.
They can not just pop up an interstate Lock Down.

Christ we can't even properly seal the 2 borders we have now and you are worried about States locking down so people can not leave or enter in the future all because of a National ID?


It sounds like Chicken Little saying the sky is falling

Now that is funny

This is America not a 3rd world country, nor Nazi germany. They can not just pop up an interstate Lock Down.

No, we are not "America" we are "The United States of America". Notice that ther is an "S" at the end of the word "State"... We are not a single centralized "state" whose needs are the same everywhere. We are also have this thing called the U.S. Constitution which tells the federal government what is and isn't it's responsibility. Guess what, ID cards are not one of them.

If you think a central government that imposes its will on all within its borders you are living in the wrong country.

One needs to seriously analyse this whole ID card policy and see it for what it is. Think about it people. To get on an airplane in the USA, you need to show a valid picture ID card, most notably the photo driver's license, which is something anyone with a license in America is going to have. When you see how the current driver's license ID card (which has been mandatory for air travel for many years now) is going to be insufficient for identification purposes, it's a clear attempt to government-track and limit the citizens' basic freedoms. The fear of terror and it's big sister terrorism makes the population more likely to give up some freedoms in the hopes of gaining security. Hitler tried it. Stalin tried it, and they were the bad guys who go taught a good hard lesson in people's desire for political freedom. Giving up freedoms is giving in to tyranny. I hope you American citizens will wake up to the fact that more laws and more limits on your own personal freedoms will not give you security. It's funny how silly Americans can be sometimes. They attack terrorism because the terrorists "hate freedom", so they take away some of their own citizens' freedoms and hope the sedated masses don't wake up to the fact that the terrorists' if they really do exist out there, should want to flock to a nation which, while pretending to be acting for freedoms, limits their own citizens' freedoms in doing so. If the 'terrorists' really hate US freedoms, the recent US policy of limiting the taken-for-granted-freedoms of it's own people should be a nice travel industry boom for the 'terrorists' who now bask in the supposed 'unfreedoms' the US has now employed. In other words, if you wish to be taken seriously as a responsible adult, you should see that taking away freedoms to fight an enemy who wishes to take away your freedoms is kind of like losing the war on day one. If you want to show the world you want freedoms in other lands, don't limits freedoms at home.

Glum says "We're all doomed..."

We have a National ID, we can;t leave our house anymore

They tapped my phone, trace my movements.
Monitor what kind of dogfood I use through RFID

I guess I stand alone when i say I would support a National ID.

We are a nation of individual states, each with it's own government and it's own laws and regulations which is what was intended when this country was establish. As long as they don't conflict with the Federal constitution, each state has the right to determine it's own laws and standards. Any time the Federal government imposes itself on these state rights, we lose some measure of freedom.

I guess I stand alone when i say I would support a National ID.

Show me where the Constitution grants the fed the authority to issue ID cards, and I might stand with you. But since it doesn't, and the Constitution clearly states that no authority left ungranted in the Constitution can be assumed by the Federal government, then I will ask you ever so politely to Put Up, or Shut Up. ;~D

Yes - They would use to to standardize Identification in the US
Yes - Does the US need this type of system?
Yes - They would agregate data on who travels where and how often
No - Would they ever impose a National travel ban?
Yes - Is it inevitiable?

Why are we so afraid of being secretly monitored by the Federal Government.

Aren't we the "good guys"?

Why are we so afraid of being secretly monitored by the Federal Government.

Because the US Constitution was written FOR A REASON. If you don't like the Constitution, work to get rid of it, but as long as it remains, at least arguably the supreme law of our land, RESPECT IT!

Aren't we the "good guys"?

No, our government is NOT the "good guys". I, and many others, can attest to that.

The federal govt does a ton of stuff it probably shouldn't be doing if you think about it. I don't even think it's allowed to directly tax the populace. Does it even get to go so far as to impose labor laws, or laws governing the definition of marraige? How about a draft? Doesn't the FBI technically overstep the bounds and jurisdiction of state police?

zoomba,

Yes it does...but just because they HAVE violated the Constitution historically should NOT be a basis for continued violations.