Israel biggest threat to world peace? Wrong !!!!

I have come to the conclusion that European anti-semitism is based on ignorance. People simply don't know why Israel exists, how it came to be, and why it is wrong to constantly attack civilian women and children. I don't know why they lack that information, I guess many people do not want to know. They are much more confortable "knowing" that Israel is a threat to world peace because, presumably, dealing with Jews is easier than to deal with terrorists. But sometimes the easy way out is not the correct way.

Did you (Americans) know that the police have to guard Jewish buildings in Berlin? When (some) Europeans tell you that anti-semitism does not exist in Europe or that it is Israel's fault that it does, do they mention that the flats of rabbis need police protection around the clock? Do they mention that for some reason anti-Israel sentiment, which many claim is not anti-semitism, unloads itself on German Jews who have nothing to do with Israel other than their religion? Please keep that in mind because I fear Europeans will not.

P.S.: "deathmate", can you email me please.

"....so we could return to our home land and live without racism."

"These people are pure terrorists. Plain and simple. Yes, I am grouping them together because it is true."

No wonder god is unhappy.

I do not know what G-d thinks about the situation or whether He is happy about it or not.

But I do believe that G-d's happiness is probably not related to whether someone calls terrorists terrorists or not.

Dunno. Admittedly I was raised Catholic and don't know all that much about Judism but I was taught that compassion and forgiveness are righteous virtues.

Jeremy, you are right. Compassion and forgiveness are righteous (although Christian) values.

However, where would they apply here? Are the Arabs righteous in that sense? Why don't you consider the Jews righteous in that sense? Israel could harm the Palestinians a lot more than it does. What do you think inspires Israeli caution?

What do you want Israel to do? Forgive the Palestinians for killing Israeli children and give up defending against them? Let the Palestinians kill every single Israeli? How compassionate is that? And who could forgive you for allowing that to happen?

If there is anything your Christian value can teach you, maybe it is that compassion and forgivess are not to be demanded from others, but to be practiced. How do you feel compassion for people who gladly kill themselves just to take a few Israeli children with them? How do you do that?

JeremyG, if someone were to punch you in the nose, would you just stand there and wait for them to stop in order to take the righteous high road? How many punches would it take for you to decide the person will just keep punching? How many terrorist acts do the people of Israel have to endure to be able to call terrorists terrorists. It is always easier to tell someone else to show compassion and forgiveness when it isn't happening to you. I think you are showing a lack of compassion by brushing over what deathmate is saying.

Did you feel compassion for the terrorists of 911? I surely didn't and don't.

Actually I do feel LOTS of compassion for them. I think it's incredibly sad that someone could be so misled by their religion. Actually not even their religion as there religion is just fine. But mislead socially by people who pervert that religion.

If someone punched me in the face I would break his arm and cry inside while doing it.

How do I feel compassion for people who gladly kill themselves just to take a few Israli children? I dig deep. Thats the great quest.

Incidentally I'm not Christian, I was just raised such. I have adopted much less militant spiritual beliefs. And i shouldnt have spouted the god comment, it came out more harsh and pointed than was intended, I was just apalled by the hypocracy.

Jeremy,

appalled by _what_ hypocrisy? Calling terrorists such is not hypocritical. It would be hypocritical if Israel condoned the same behaviour that the PLO has decided to condone.

It seems to me that you are appalled by something else. But what?

I think your post might be slightly biased deathmate. It may be true that from the moment a palestinian child is born, he is taught to hate the Israelis, but at the same time, I think an Israeli child is taught the same type of doctrine; Palestinians are terrorists. The problem in the middle east certainly is not a jewish state amongst the arabs, it is Ariel Sharon. He is far to aggressive for the role that needs to be played. Give hmi an inch and he takes a mile. He pretends to try and work with the Palestinians, but all-in-all, Ariel Sharon is woeking toward teh destruction of his nation. If the US lets him off of their leash, the middle east will blow up.

Palestinians ARE terrorists. Not all of them of course but they're the ones intentionally targeting women and children with nail bombs.

"It seems to me that you are appalled by something else. But what?"

Appalled by the hypocracy that someone would return to their homeland to live without rasicsm and immediately follow that with racist remarks.

"Israel could harm the Palestinians a lot more than it does. What do you think inspires Israeli caution?"

More?? How? Occupying their land and condemning them to live behind a wall? Taking the best land, water resources, demolishing their houses and forcing them to live among the rats in refugee camps? Bombing civilian buildings with american rockets fired from american helicopters and F-18's ?? Killing dozens of them in Chatila & Sabra (palestinian towns)?

CAUTION????? WTF?

Jewish: Eye for eye, tooth for tooth... (remember the muslims think that too... they are religiously obliged to respond to every attack with what they consider is a fair response).

Christian: If you are hit, show the other cheek.

We might be called weak. But peace is the only way to solve things. This is a moral principle that cannot be challenged. Israel must stop inmediately the invasion, construction of the wall, and return to the legitimate borders. Cease too the agressions and retaliations. Palestinian must stop inmediately their attacks too. Unless this spiral of violence finishes there is nothing to do there, only pain and anger will prevail.

Israel is a threat to world peace because they have the military strenght and the mad leadership it needs to become such. Palestine is only a threat to Israel.

What do you want Israel to do? Forgive the Palestinians for killing Israeli children and give up defending against them? Let the Palestinians kill every single Israeli? How compassionate is that? And who could forgive you for allowing that to happen?

Then again, what do you want the palestinians to do? Forgive Israel for killing palestinian women and children and give up retaliating against them? Let Israel kill every single palestinian?

Actually I say both sides have to to reach peace. Both sides are to blame in that conflict and both sides will have to give in to solve it.

I know that many people here like to think that its just the good israelites against the bad palestinians, but its just not as simple as that.

Christian: If you are hit, show the other cheek.
Well some time ago it was if its not Christian kill it and take its land.

"Well some time ago it was if its not Christian kill it and take its land."

True that! Sadly christianity spread to be as big as it is mostly through war and persecution. A big shame because it became popular by way of things in stark contrast to the teaching of Jesus.

I know I'll be hated for saying this but the only way the region would have peace is if you nuke it. There is no way that groups like Hamas, et al are ever going to stop their terrorist attacks. In fact, they've gone right out and said that. The Palestinian government has no control over them, or if they do its a paper leash. Israeli responds in the only way they can, in the only way their citizenry will allow. They protect their people in the only way possible except for an outright, end all bloodbath.

To all those who preach a moral "high road," wake up. This is reality here, its not a book written 2,000 years ago. Its not some drug induced hippy dreamscape - its a world filled with ads, hunger, death, and destruction. Its a world were you can be perfectly good in heart, do everything right, and still have to dredge from the bottem of some garbage can.

I'd love to see some utopia come around where we don't need warfare nor fear of terrorism but that requires something this world doesn't have. Trust. Until everyone trusts, can hold hands and hug and cry gleefully on each others shoulders, the "christian ideal" won't exist. The only place there is peace is in death. Wake up.

I know I'll be hated for saying this but the only way the region would have peace is if you nuke it.

Well you cant do that. I am assuming that you only want to nuke the 'terrorist palestinians'. Unfortunetly the land they live in is occupied by Israel and filled with israelian settlers that took over land so you would nuke them too.
How should the palestinian government have any authority if their land is occupied and their leader is under house arrest?

"This is reality here, its not a book written 2,000 years ago. "

Actually the ENTIRE thing is all about a book written 2000 years ago....as silly as that is.

I guess your view regarding what side of the wall is "behind" gives us an insight on who's society you consider to be more valuable. Might I remind you that the area of the Arab world is vast while Israel is very small? Why would the Arabs be behind a wall? Why not the Israelis?

As for how Israel could harm them more, Israel could start killing Palestinian children at random. They could annihilate all of the Palestinians. They could presumably destroy every single Arab city in their general area. But they don't. If you want to use the "Israelis kill Palestinians" argument, I suggest you first look up whether such things happen and when and why before you do.

And might I ask why exacly it is Israel that "forces" Palestinians to live in refugee camps? How come it's not their Arab brothers who occupied Palestinian land and then lost it to Israel and who do not allow their Palestinian "brothers" to live in other Arab countries? I reject the insane notion that Arabs are creatures without free will that cannot act but merely react. If some Arabs live in refugee camps, ask the other Arabs why they do. Don't ask the Jews.

Test your anti-semitism, think about a hypothetical question: If Israel had not allowed Jews expelled from Arab countries into Israel and they had to live in refugee camps, who would be responsible for that? The Arabs, Israel, nobody? And since Israel has allowed them in, why could not the Arabs do the same for the other "refugees"?

And feel free to test Jewish and Arab rascism too. Travel to Tel Aviv, go to a public place when a demonstration is going on and loudly announce that Palestine is right and Israel has no right to exist. Then make the corresponding announcement in, say, an Arab city. Compare their reactions to see the results.

What the hell? I really cant believe what i'm reading here:
@Deathmate: I'm sure Israel is a beautiful country but you cant go generalising like you do "These people are pure terrorists. Plain and simple. Yes, I am grouping them together because it is true" well its NOT true.
"I was shocked after reading about the Europeans and there (their?) stupidity." Excuse me? i beleive the way you are writing makes you sound like you are not. I defer you then to my previous comment. "People on this side of the world have no idea what is going on in Israel." on the contrary, we in Europe get to see quite alot about whats happening in Israil, every bomb makes the TV news and the peace process (what remains) gets thorough coverage, maybe the footage doesnt get shown in the US, but thats a whole different problem we dont need to go into.
"People have no money to buy food and some that are homeless now thanks to the arabs. Every penny goes to the army to protect against the terrorists." Thanks to the ARABS? i like how you broaden your opponents now from hamas fundamentalists to an entire people. You guys dont wanna spend every penny on war, fine. As Orwell said: "The quickest way to end a war is to loose it"

@Andrew J. Brehm: You seem to be grossly misinformed by Jewish propaganda. The Jewish military is far from 'linient': "Israel could harm the Palestinians a lot more than it does. What do you think inspires Israeli caution?". I almost choked reading this pearl. Do you honestly think Israel has been abiding by any decent limits here? no, theyve been driving tanks into Palestinian terretories, shooting a bunch of whoever they find, sending out rocket gunships and blowing the hell out of some guys houses. In comparrison, the damage and death ratio is about even. They seem to have no qualm with doing that do they? Please dont act like they do so with a gun to their head, that every Jew wishes to put an end to violence and hopes this next rocket will do the job.
"How do you feel compassion for people who gladly kill themselves just to take a few Israeli children with them?" The real question here is "How does a man go out and kill themselves like that? Whats so important to them that they feel the need to throw away their own life for this cause?". When the Japanese and Nazi forces reached the Bhuddist temples in China in WW2, many of the Monks set themselves on fire as an act of protest for the people. Is there a link? i think so, i think these people feel so strongly about this that they are willing to kill themselves to see it done.
@Chris: "I know I'll be hated for saying this but the only way the region would have peace is if you nuke it." When you next decide to become involved in a discussion on current affairs, do us all a favor and just play some playstation instead. This isnt some crazy film where a nuke has no long lasting effects, let alone the humanitarion crisis of mass genocide. Hell suicide bombing is more preferable than that just because some people are spared.

I think alot of you "pro Israel" are missing the whole goddamn point of the conflict. Israel 'shouldnt' exist. Theyve got no goddamn business being their in the first place. Sure they are 'supposed' to have been their in some story book or other but the fact of the matter is, when they were relocated to Palestine, thats someone elses country now. I dont care how richeous the Israelis think theyre being when they send out rocket gunships or tanks to fight the man on the street with an automatic weapon, the fact that you invaded someone elses country and are fighting back kinda overides that somehow. America, Brittain and whichever other countries agreed that maybe the Jewish people should have their own country didnt stop to think "hang on...we dont have the right to kick the indiginous people out of their own country just cause we feel sorry for the Jews". Its outragous to think that something like this only happened little over half a century ago. Palestine isnt just the origin of Christian and Jewish faiths, its also the origin of the Muslim way of life, and you can see, aside from their physical homeland its their spiritual homeland. Makes sense that they would want to reclaim it dont you?

"Israel biggest threat to world peace? Wrong !!!!" i agree with you on that deathmate...religion, no matter what way you look at it, religion divides us and makes us dislike others. Religion is the biggest threat to world peace but who are we kidding, world peace is a myth. Maybe the United State's war on non Americans is the real threat to a future world peace. Who knows? Were not gonna be finding out anytime soon thats for sure

Why 27 pilots of Israeli army deserted saying that they felt the actions of israel were inmoral?

Can i put here a link to the images of the palestinian children killed randomly or not by the Israeli army??

Also keep in mind that 93 palestinian children were killed in the actual conflict, whereas 3 israeli kids were killed. According to the San Francisco Chronicle, only 5 of those deaths were told on the news, but the 6 jewish kids found place in the first page.

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sorry: 6 israeli kids were killed, not 3 as i said. its a mistake.

The 1967 war, not the Pabloized distortion

Just a point: Israel could exterminate every Palestinian if it chose to and no one could do anything about that.

Meanwhile, the Palestinian leadership would almost certainly love to kill every jew that exists but is only stopped by lack of means.

So yea, I would say that Israel definitely holds back a lot. I don't seem them occupying anyone's "land" since there has NEVER been an independent state of Palestine.

So much grief for these terroritsts when no one talksa bout the Kurds who are much more deserving.