Could Having a Miscarriage be Illegal???

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Delegate John A. Cosgrove of Virginia has introduced a bill to the Virginia House of Delegates, proposing that the Code of Virginia be amended. The amendment would make it a crime for a woman who has a miscarriage to wait more than 12 hours before notifying authorities of the fact that she had a miscarriage.

So my first question is, What kind of a moron is this man??? This idiot wants to make it a CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR for a woman who has gone through not only the physical but excruciating emotional pain of losing her child, to wait for more than half a day to report it to the authorities. Let's forget, for a second, that unless the child's father is a member of the authorities, this is none of the authorities' business, and just focus on the fact that maybe, just possibly, a woman who has just lost her baby will have more pressing issues on her mind in the 12 hour period immediately after the permanently scarring event than calling the local sheriff and saying "I just had a miscarriage, just thought you'd like to know."

So, then, if unreported miscarriage is to be a Class 1 Misdemeanor, let us look at some of the crimes that it will be joining:

Statutory Rape
Arson (if the value within the property is less than 200 dollars)
Stalking
Carrying a concealed weapon while under the influence of drugs or alcohol
Threatening a public school employee while on school property
Bomb Threat (made by someone under the age of 15)

Does unreported miscarriage seem out of place to anyone else??? To go back to my Sesame Street days, one of these things is not like the others. One of these things just doesn't belong.

I don't even understand why this man feels compelled to make this the amendment that he proposes. Are there absolutely no other problems in the state of Virginia that he can take on??? Has he achieved his goal of building such a utopia that finally, after curing all other societal ills, he has arrived at miscarriages, and how they can be turned into a crime?

Let's make unreported zit popping illegal. Let's make unreported shaving illegal. Let's make it illegal for me to masturbate without keeping a detailed tally of when I did it, where I did it, how long it took me, and exactly how much reproductive fluid was secreted, to be faxed to the proper authorities within 12 hours of me performing the act. That makes sense, doesn't it?

After all, there's no other problems that we could turn our attention to. It's not like we're at war, or the economy's struggling, or we have a high murder rate, or anything like that.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

#1: it is a measure to alert parents to abortions since you the undersigned decided that parents are irrelevant.

#2: It does not say it is illegal.  You are just hyperventilating.

#3: Are you god that you can decide life and death?  I dont see where he is, so the obverse means, you must be.

Time to take a chill pill until you are a parent.  it  will not pass.  But the worst case scenerio for parents is already in effect.

chicken Little.

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
At any given time there are more than 30 wars raging across the planet. Its human nature, get on with it.
The economy struggling? We have one of the lowest unemploymeny rates in decades, the stock market has recovered and is booming after a devastating attack. Get over it.
The murder rate is dropping every year. Get over it.
And perhaps, just perhaps, the legislation is being proposed so a discussion can be raised about the issue? Discussions about HELPING women who miscarry is a good thing, because many woman and men do not understand the negative long term health effects of this. Rangle did this with the draft, knowing it wouldnt pass. Make the connection.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

And perhaps, just perhaps, the legislation is being proposed so a discussion can be raised about the issue? Discussions about HELPING women who miscarry is a good thing, because many woman and men do not understand the negative long term health effects of this. Rangle did this with the draft, knowing it wouldnt pass. Make the connection.

Sad and true

Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
#1: it is a measure to alert parents to abortions since you the undersigned decided that parents are irrelevant.


Which parents, and of what abortions? The parents who have miscarried do not need the authorities to alert them of anything.

#2: It does not say it is illegal. You are just hyperventilating.


It is proposing making it illegal. You just cannot read.

#3: Are you god that you can decide life and death? I dont see where he is, so the obverse means, you must be.


I don't even see where this article is about deciding life and death. By the way, I suggest you read my other article title "I am god"

And perhaps, just perhaps, the legislation is being proposed so a discussion can be raised about the issue? Discussions about HELPING women who miscarry is a good thing, because many woman and men do not understand the negative long term health effects of this.


Don't you think there are ways to raise discussions about issues without proposing legislation that would place maximum penalties of 6 months in jail and fines of up to 2500 dollars for having a miscarriage?

At any given time there are more than 30 wars raging across the planet. Its human nature, get on with it.The economy struggling? We have one of the lowest unemploymeny rates in decades, the stock market has recovered and is booming after a devastating attack. Get over it.The murder rate is dropping every year. Get over it.


All I'm saying is that there are more pressing issues that have yet to be resolved. There is a need to prioritize, instead of criminalizing things just for the hell of it.

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
The guy is obviously a nutjob. In terms of traumatic experience, it's like making it illegal to not report a rape within 12 hours. He may be trying to make a point about the need for discussing these sorts of issues, but surely there's a better way than to suggest punishing women for failing to tell the authorities when they lose their babies? That's just unnecessarily cruel.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top

clearly this guy needs to be recalled for incompetence for focusing only on actual fetal deaths instead of the greater wickedness: unfertilized ova.  women--altho we cant really blame them entirely since theyre by nature weak and evil--flush away the remains of underutilized ova each month.  the way the proposed statute shoulda been worded is like this:


When an ovum wastage occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman's responsibility to report the wastage to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the wastage occurs within 12 hours after the beginning of her menstrual period. A violation of this section shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor. 

Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

perhaps, just perhaps, the legislation is being proposed so a discussion can be raised about the issue? Discussions about HELPING women who miscarry is a good thing, because many woman and men do not understand the negative long term health effects of this. Rangle did this with the draft, knowing it wouldnt pass. Make the connection.


and maybe, just maybe, someone needs to quit hittin the crackpipe once in a while.  this has nothing at all to do with the trauma of miscarriage or a discussion thereof--nor does it have anything in common with rangel and the draft.  if someone's gonna try an endrun around wade vs roe, at least be honest enough to admit it.

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top

I don't see how this could help women who miscarry or anyone else for that matter.  Only a man would propose such a thing.  Many times it is far more than 12hrs before a woman even knows she miscarried if it is very early on.  Matter of fact, I bet a lot of women have had miscarriages and not realized it.


I might be mistaken, but is there a law saying you have to disclose that you are pregnant in the first place, because I don't think there is.  Now, if the "miscarriage" is the result of the father hitting the mother in the belly with a baseball bat (actually happened in Detroit recently), then you have a crime.  Oddly enough though, only the father can be prosecuted.  Maybe this case is something that is trying to be addressed but it is definitely being addressed in the wrong way.

Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

#2: It does not say it is illegal. You are just hyperventilating.


It is proposing making it illegal. You just cannot read.

No, you just misquoted the Bill.  I live here.  I know what it says.  read it again. And try not to be so condescending when you are wrong.

O, and BTW, the sky is not falling ........yet

Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
No, you just misquoted the Bill. I live here. I know what it says. read it again. And try not to be so condescending when you are wrong.


The bill proposes making it a Class 1 Misdemeanor to not report a miscarriage within 12 hours. Class 1 Misdemeanors are crimes. Crimes are not legal. If crimes are not legal, they are illegal. The bill proposes making it illegal to not report a miscarriage within 12 hours.

And you should try to disprove someone before saying they are wrong. And you probably shouldn't start the condescension if you can't take any of it back.

I think some sky hit me in the head...(I really don't know what this has to do with anything, or why you brought it up, but it seemed a good way to end my reply)