Plasma Furnace-B

The Plasma Furnace-B is not giving adjacency bonus of +2 to Social Construction or Ship Construction when I place a factory next to it.  Research, Wealth, Population, Approval and Influence work.  I have no Tourism building to check with.

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Reply #1 Top

The Plasma Furnace never got updated to keep up with changes to the base game.  The Factory is an All Construction improvement, so it won't benefit from social or ship construction adjacencies.  IMHO the Plasma Furnace should be changed to give a +2 All Construction adjacency instead of a +2 Social Construction.

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The problem is that manufacturing improvements(mainly the so called "All Construction" improvements), such as the factory, have their <ImprovementType> or <SecondaryType> listed as "MaxManufacturing", but the Plasma Furnace-B has its <GiveBonusToNeighborType> (and <ImprovementType> for that matter) listed as just "Manufacturing." The Furnace is looking for improvements where the <ImprovementType> or <SecondaryType> is listed as "Manufacturing," but only special improvements like the Death Furnace, Coordination Temple, and Garrison actually has that under their improvement type. Unlike the case with Approval where "GoodsAndServices" and "Approval" are interchangeable as improvement types, "Manufacturing" and "MaxManufacturing" are not interchangeable, so you get no bonuses.

As far as the base game is concerned, I think it is an oversight on the developers' part since even the four or so improvements that actually uses "Manufacturing" as their type have "MaxManufacturing" as their secondary type. This means that the Furnace is literally only going to give out  manufacturing bonuses to five very specific improvements that are all race/tech specific.

You can easily fix this yourself by opening the DLC7_ImprovementDefs XML file and changing "Manufacturing" to "MaxManufacturing" for the Plasma Furnace. I believe there are a few other bugged improvements in there as well, but I forgot since I already fixed mines.

Edited because I realized Manufacturing IS being used by a select few improvements as their improvement type.

Reply #3 Top

I have noticed that the Precursor Fabricator only seems to work with other versions of itself (B/P/M) and the Death Furnace, which makes sense as few improvements are specifically marked as Social Construction. The M version should probably be changed to a Ship Construction improvement since it boosts Military manufacturing, in my opinion.

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If something gives +2 to ship construction and +2 to social construction, but not +2 to all construction.  Maybe we should remove all construction from game.  Make everything ship or social construction?

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Quoting lordduzi, reply 4

Maybe we should remove all construction from game. Make everything ship or social construction?
End of lordduzi's quote

IIRC, that's actually the way it started out in the alpha test.  Was changed for a good reason.