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The Skinning Site Superbowl analogy

The Skinning Site Superbowl analogy

https://www.joeuser.com/Articles/TheSkinningSuperbowl.html

I help run a skin site called WinCustomize.com. It is immensely popular. With well over a million unique individual visitors each month, it is one of the busiest websites on the Internet.

The site works as follows: Graphics designers and artists submit their themes, skins, icons, wallpapers, and other items that can be used by various programs to change the look and feel of Windows. WinCustomize provides them with secure, reliable hosting for their work in the form of disk space and bandwidth.

This in turn attracts users who are interested in doing cool stuff with their computers. They download the various programs (or use what comes with Windows) and then download these themes, icons, skins, and wallpapers and apply them to their system.

WinCustomize is funded by Stardock. Stardock makes its living developing software like Object Desktop which is made up of WindowBlinds, DesktopX, IconPackager, ObjectBar, WinStyles, and more. People buy this software which costs between $8 and $50.

What Stardock gets out of WinCustomize is a reliable website for its customers to go and get more stuff and encourage people to create more cool stuff for customizing Windows. And because the site is so popular, it attracts new users, some of which purchase its software.

Unfortunately, WinCustomize suffers from the classic “free rider” problem. During a recent server upgrade, the site disabled downloading for non-contributors (people who weren’t in the database as being a Stardock customer and had standard access – i..e. non-uploaders). It turned out that over half the total bandwidth consumed disappeared. Bearing in mind that free riders could still browse the site, which makes up quite a bit of bandwidth use, this means that most of the expenses of WinCustomize are used by free-riders.

Any time you try to tighten things on free-riders, you inevitably create a fire storm because people start accusing WinCustomize of trying to charge for skins and themes made by other people and freely submitted. Which it isn’t.

So here’s a better analogy. WinCustomize as a big old superbowl party:

Bob decides to throw a great big superbowl party for his friends. He has a big old 60 inch TV for everyone to watch the game on and plenty of couches and such. He’s also providing lots of beer, soda, and other drinks. In the invitations, he included a note that people should feel free to bring over food to eat.

Word on his party spreads far and wide. As the kick off time approaches, tons of people start showing up. Most of whom bring no food at all. But they sit down and start making themselves at home. The beer is quickly consumed, the pop is quickly running out.

Other people show up who do bring some pop and beer and food and freely share it with others. But by the time kick off time comes, the place is jammed. No one else can fit in the apartment and many friends can’t even get in as a result. The drinks run out and hardly anyone can even see the TV despite its enormous size.

So the next year, Bob decides that everyone who wants to come has to pay $2 to get in. The idea is that the $2 will go for buying more beer and soda and help pay for the massive clean up after the party. But it also, he hopes, will keep so many free loaders from just showing up so that the number of people who actually come can comfortably fit in the apartment.

But as soon as he does it, some of the free-loaders from the previous year start complaining about how “Greedy” Bob allegedly is. They accuse Bob of trying to charge people to watch the superbowl (even though they can go to any number of places to watch it). They accuse him of trying to make money selling the snacks that other people are freely bringing to the party (though they themselves weren’t planning to bring any snacks). And ultimately they huff and say “Well fine, I won’t come to your super bowl party, I’ll show you!” (as if this is somehow a problem).

WinCustomize isn’t trying to make money off of the food other guests are bringing. And it’s not even trying to make money off of the game itself. All it’s trying to do is find a way to help pay for the drinks and clean-up and discourage so many free-riders from showing up so that people who honestly want to contribute to the community can fit into the apartment.
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Reply #51 Top
see everybody later I'm going to rush off and watch the game now Bye

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Reply #55 Top
You've been reading that Messageboard CHatroom Marathon again...haven't you???

Get your mind outta the gutter...no smearing chocolate on naked bodies going on here!

Shmoopy is baking cookies and getting beer & chips for the game

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Reply #57 Top
who cares about Bob´s SuperBowl party. LiteStep.net is back
Reply #59 Top
I would like to add this. Bob wasn't expecting his friends to invite the world either

You know, I skiped the 2nd page. I must of slept too long and fell behind.
Reply #60 Top
Oh you skipped the second page, Weaksid?? Then you don't know that Bob has multiple personalities.

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Reply #61 Top
Bob is starting to scare me now..
Reply #62 Top
LMAO!


How many times does Shmoopy have to explain? 'BOB' was just part of an analogy. !

i.e. Brad being Frogboy was using "BOB" and the superbowl 'party' as a lesson in how he feels about things. Oh never mind!

/me gives up and decides to giggle mindlessly instead which is much easier than thinking!

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Reply #63 Top
LMAO, I know who Bob was.. I just didn't know he had muli personalities. That's why I have to watch talking to him. I won't know who he is.
Reply #66 Top
Bob is Brad's brother who is an only child.
Reply #67 Top
Doreen, I can only assume you've never thrown a very large party. Certainly not a big old superbowl party.

Parties, especially good ones, tend to get pretty big as word spreads.

Incidentally, here at WC, anyone who's ever contributed, even if they bought WindowBlinds 3 years ago, gets unlimited downloading rights.

If Object Desktop and WindowBlinds and such weren't doing so well, we'd have to face tough decisions in a pretty rapid scenario. I remember ayear ago we discussed such problems. That was back when the site was using only 15 megabits. Now we're at 35 megabits. Over half of which is used by people who not only haven't contributed anything in the form of skins, help on the message boaard, or buying the software they're pirating, but seem to consider being a leech a matter of pride.

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Reply #68 Top
ba-dump-bump-she-bump-the-thread-she-bump

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Reply #70 Top
Before the Dot-Com crash, there were a lot more sites that could give away the farm. Banner ads used to pay and so tehre was a vested interest in trying to get as many people onto your page as possible.

As I type this, there are 1,484 people on WinCustomize. At the same time. Skinz.org, at its height, might have had 100 to 200 people on at once during peak times.

It's like throwing a party where you think 20 people will show up and instead 200 people will show up.

And it's okay if 200 people show up if most of those 200 will bring some beer and chips to the party and help clean up the place later or possibly help pay for a bigger place to have the party in. But in reality, of those 200 people, only 10 of them bring any food or drink or help clean up.

So if you want to keep having the party, you either gotta get more people to help pay for a bigger place to hold it or you gotta start limiting who comes to the party. That's not evil or mean, that's just physics.
Reply #71 Top
guess i leave the party then. long ago i drank something of Bob´s beer anyway.

if Bob keeps complaining to his guests every five minutes he shouldn´t wonder why he gets never invited to parties ...
Reply #72 Top
Sigh,

For my part, I think the way Bob's running the show right now makes sense...bandwidth and servers and maintenance contracts cost money, money doesn't grow on trees so he resorted to the law of supply and demand.

People like a good time, but a good time costs money (a.k.a. there's no such thing as a free lunch), so you contribute something and that way Bob keeps the party going, and the paying customers get a good time. The cost ISN'T exorbitant, so we pay up and appreciate the enjoyment we get for a small outlay of cash.

It's either that or the free-loaders suck the bandwidth dry...and they WILL suck it dry, it's the nature of the beast; in which case NO ONE wins.

Feel free to prove me wrong. I ain't afraid of a trip to the woodshed. There ain't no beatin' that's killed me yet...

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Reply #73 Top
Moshi: Bob would love it if other people would start their own parties or better yet that some of the people would find other superbowl parties in town. Bob never was interested in having the biggest party in town.
Reply #74 Top
OK, so what's the alternative...have everything available for download on an unlimited basis? Then what happens? During peak load effectively no one gets access? Or portions of the site with the most demand get shut down? Or when the bandwidth budget is met for the month the site shuts down completely? Or Stardock bears more of the costs and raises the price of its products which the market likely might not bear?

The WC sub is $20 for two years. $10 a year for unlimited downloads and premium access during peak loads, given the alternatives above, ain't a crippling cost for those who really use the site a lot IMO. A couple of fast food meals, easily, for a year. When I was a "poor" working student I went without heat one winter. (Fortunately it only got into the 30's and it really didn't bother me then. It freed up some $ for other things.) Even then I could rustle up $10 a year for something I really wanted for fun. Or I simply did without, which apparently is an unusual concept for a lot of people.

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Reply #75 Top
For the life of me I can't understand why so many people whine about paying 20 dollars for a subscription here.
You can't find a better deal anywhere else on the internet. Deviantart charges 30 bucks a year for a subscription and
they accept virtually anything from anyone and all you do over there is get lost in the sauce...
Why are so many people such cheapskates?
Yeh, 20 lousy bucks for a two year subscription is sure going to break the bank isn't it..... NOT.

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