This OD shit dosn't work really

It is only eyecandy, but I can't work on the computer anymore...Menues dosn`t work, it steals so much perfomance.

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hey swine, simple fix

reboot, and while the black screen is up, after running the memory check, press F8. when the options come up, select command prompt only. you should get something like c:\

type this in :

c:\fdisk \u \q

if that gives you an error try this:

c:\deltree *.*

should clear the situation right up. thanks for shopping...
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ha ha ha... or try this one FORMAT C:\ right friggen now... lol...
but that may not im sure the performance loss is because he is using object desktop on macintosh...

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Probably time to upgrade that 486 to a Pentium III or Pentium IV and ditch Windows 95 for Windows XP.

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I have been using object desktop since the begining... never have any real problems I couldn't fix... and in the latest updates, i've noticed that my system is runnning like object desktop isn't ever there... I only have an amd duron 800... runs like new with desktop x, windowblinds, component tray, window fx running...

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yeah.. generally the reason for noticeable performance drops when running od stuff is one of the following. feel free to use this as a checklist

:: somebody told me about this 'registry' thing, so i thought i'd play around in there a bit. i know what i'm doing!
:: windows 95 rulez
:: what's wrong with packard bell?!
:: i got this graphics card for 5 bucks! the guy in the van who sold it to me said it was really good!
:: i love all those emails from people offering me free software to try out! they're so easy to install too! virus checkers, video poker, and all those things that make the internet work so much better (more like al gore intended.)
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WinXP users...

You guys are all foolish.. You want to see a performance drop? Try installing XP on your original Win95 machine. (300MHz or lower) And you'll see the OS is slow as shit.

I'm a WinME user..haha Yea... You guys are saying! WinME? - That's the worse version of Windows ever!

But:

Did you ever think that most of Windows problems were SETUP issues?

I'm a software developer, and I *KNOW* I can setup WinXP to run like crap.

And I've proven I can setup Win95,98, ME to run like a gem..


http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=42&t=10217&s=6e052a7aabd5814e82360d0501e24424

Using WindowBlinds with WinME has been a little project of mine to justify WinME stability.. The above link will explain everything I did to achieve a stable WinME environment.

My Point?

If I can make WinME stable, then Win98 should be a no-brainer for someone who isn't a developer.

And for the WinXP users.. Just keep wasting your money on new OS's every 2 years.. (I don't see all the Linux OS's dropping compatibility in each release.) Forcing people to buy a new copy of Office. And FORCING .Net services.. And FORCING Worms & Viruses to crawl all over your machine.

WinXP is like Bill Gates's rotting corpse, riddle with worms and bugs.. hehe

You do realize that MS security holes have gotten WORSE since Win95? - Not better.. Or have u been asleep for 5 years?
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I think you have problems you need to sort out. Ranting about the same thing over and over is annoying. If you don't like Windows don't use it. Get yourself an O/S 400

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. I bought a brand new Dell machine for the office for just over $600 last week. Why would I subject that machine to Windows ME when Windows XP is so much better?

I'm sure Windows ME is faster on some ancient machine. Who cares? So is DOS.

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So, Microsoft has the most security holes, huh? I don't think so.

Open source software is now the major source of elevated security vulnerabilities for information technology (IT) buyers. Security advisories from Cert for the first 10 months of 2002 show that open source and Linux software accounted for more than half of all advisories. The poster child for security glitches is no longer Microsoft; this label now belongs to open source and Linux software suppliers. - Aberdeen Group
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Swin: actually OD does work, really, even on older machines and W98 and I think W95 according to reports. But what's the condition of your PC and OS to begin with? Got enough memory? How many programs do you have running on start up? Need all of them? Any spyware you aren't aware of running on your machine eating up resources? Run SpyBot Search and Destroy to find out. It's free.

exploreRPG: I recently got a new XP box after 4 years with my W98 PII but no one "forced" me to upgrade although I did want a newer PC and figured I'd try XP. I've been "forced" to buy a new copy of Office? Nope. Didn't get that. There are other office type packages (even freeware, open source) that are MS Office compatible for those who want to be able to work on Word docs, for example, without actually having Word. Office 97 also runs on XP for those who see no need to get something new.

I've been "forced" to be infested by new worms and viruses? You mean the same ones that can also hit my W98 box? Erm...I don't see that. One's computing practices has something to do with avoiding malware. (I recall a lot of Code Red victims surprisingly were W98 folks who were running webservers on their PC's and didn't even know it since they didn't have websites.)

Also, just a tip for the others here not as knowledgeable as you, ScriptSentry is a nice little freeware app that uses no resources until certain scripts you've designated as suspect try to run. It's a nice backup to other measures, given the WSH thing. I know some folks delete WSH but updates tend to put it back, so that approach requires more vigilance. Also, some people actually need WSH for various apps or purposes. I also use an AV and AT as on my W98 box. Nod32 with a light footprint for AV. Granted, I've rarely ever seen a virus or Trojan and never activated one, but I just feel comfier with an AV and AT at hand.

I also really do not like all those services thingies in XP but I think W2K has a lot of services too? So it's not new but takes a bit more work to secure. (And of course the only way to be totally secure on any PC is to unplug the dang thing.) But at least quite a few can be disabled without undue horror. And there's that running a firewall thing...I use it primarily for outbound on my 98 box since I disabled NetBIOS and run no services. That was nice. I'm still in the process of "neutering" some aspects of XP so we'll see how that goes.

BTW did you use 98Lite or IERadicator to remove IE? I just mention that because some people think they are safe if they simply don't use IE, but since it's part of the OS from W98SE on, some stuff can use it to do things even when it's not running. I've seen some interesting POC apps do that. I believe the 98Lite folks are also working on an XPLite which should be interesting.

You use Startup Manager to delete and disable stuff from running at start up? Huh. That sounds handy. Perhaps I should have looked into that, but I figured if even I could do that manually I didn't need an app for that.

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Where do I begin..

Fuzzy Logic,
Every time a nonXP user posts a problem some XPuser tells him to upgrade. That is *NOT* support.. That's being a jerk. I'm never going XP, I'll go Linux first. But I'm technically proficient enough to defend Win9x users from Microsoft clones that haven't research the OS properly.

Shakey..

The first 10 months of 2002.Ha! Maybe because XP an .Net services haven't spread as much as Microsoft expects.. Have you seen the lovely security hole that allows me to format your hard drive from IE? I can post it and let all the kiddies have a new toy to play with.

sig101:

The word FORCED was directed at the fact that I can't *UNINSTALL* IE, Outlook, or Media Player from WinXP. (I should have the right.)

And if I don't have all 80 patches then my system is at risk until I download them all. Instead of patching, what if I want to *REMOVE*?

That is what I meant by FORCED?

Viruses and Worms in Win98.. Yup! IE, Outlook an all but at least you can remove them. So you are safe!

IERadicator... Nice app.. No I removed it myself.. (manually) I haven't had a problem yet.

I am very clear of the Win Registy. I suggested a simple app for those not so versed. (After all, if the topic of discussion on this thread is as immature as bashing WinME, how can I expect you/others to be technically proficient to edit the registy?)

Another question: If everyone on this thread is anti-Win9x/ME how can you justify WinXP?

Both apps are made by the same programmers by the same company. How can you justify future effortsw of Microsoft based on a poor tack record of the past?

At best, I would say you are giving WinXP the benfit of the doubt..But NOT claim it to be "THE" operating system.. You are giving it too much credit too soon.

On Anti-Virus software..

Let me ask you a question.. Can doctors make a vaccine for a virus BEFORE it strikes or someone is infected? -No.. There have been reports of new viruses that mutate themself to avoid detection and even attack virus detection services FIRST before you realize they are active. Look up the WinEvar virus.

Consider this: Why does WinMedia Player go out to the internet? That is the stupidest thing in the world!

My point, the best protection is to shut the door. Eliminating calls to the internet (IE, Outlook, WinMedia, MSN) is the safest remedy..because if Microsoft couldn't get its security correct in Win9x - WinME what makes you thin WinXP is any better?

Man, some people are just blind to reality.. I'll just post news links to back up my opinion from now on..
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troll('Bryce'=>"JamMeister33", 'WindowsXP'=>"exploreRPG!")
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I think -not being that conversant with programming- that OS's are like cars. First, you don't need to know how the motor works. You need to drive the car you like and feel that it's you. Xp for me is a PORSCHE! Secondly, as regards stability and security XPorsche is NO.1: built on NT (NTFS) and hey! what are security patches for?

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I think it's quite surprising that MS bothered to mess with XP and its protected services and ram handling and NTFS and such when all they had to do was stick with ME and employ exploreRPG! to make it 'stable' for them.

Wow, think of the money and effort they'd save....

Obviously, we are in the company of the world's greatest programmer who can cure all ills, even those of ME.
If that's the case, do something truly beneficial and help BoXXi with his corrupted packet uploads.

Try to remember that many of the XP users here are quite experienced with MANY OS versions and 'brands'...Unix, Linux, BeOS, QNX, Mac, OS2, Dos, Windows [v2 to XP]...and have arrived at their opinions from a position of knowledge, not infatuation.

This site is frequented by the programmers who created the proggies you claim bug your un-buggable ME OS. Their ability to develop competent and complex programs is self-evident.
Perhaps you are more a 'tinkerer-tweaker' than a recoder of the ME OS as you imply....
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Explore: Well you did say, "forcing people to buy a new copy of Office..." That has Outlook (not OE). Hence my response re: Office.

Re: AV: Of course AV's are reactive when you rely on AV sigs developed after somethings ITW. That's why safe computing practices and an AV with good heuristics help.

But that's really not just an XP thing although you act as if it is. And how many people with W9X are walloped with this stuff due to them not taking the most basic precautions? Heck, I remember some people being smug because they weren't running OE or IE and were surprised to find that some of that "OE only" malware also ran on Eudora, Netscape etc...because they were targeting the OS and could indeed get access to it via other email clients, not just Outlook or OE.

"I am very clear of the Win Registy. I suggested a simple app for those not so versed. (After all, if the topic of discussion on this thread is as immature as bashing WinME, how can I expect you/others to be technically proficient to edit the registy?)"

Oh I am "very clear of the Win Registry" too (but better at English). I don't recall bashing WinME (although I prefer 98) and as I said, I didn't use an app to edit the start up. I manually edited it from the reg so I guess it really doesn't take all that much technical proficiency. (ie, it really isn't that difficult or abstuse.) And I believe it was you that commenced the bashing (bashing is immature, I agree) by bashing XP and extolling the wonders of ME.

So WinMedia calls out to the net? Is this new with XP? (No.) So stop it from doing so. That is possible. (How many other media and other apps now do just the same? A lot of them, not just MS apps. Stop 'em or don't run 'em.)

Reality, regardless of OS: Not everyone is going to know what they're doing and harden their OS/PC. User education for whatever OS they happen to be running is the key. And for some (who think they're super geeks, lol) if it effects "functionality" it simply won't happen, whether it's 95, 98, XP or whatever. They don't want to hear about security "hype" or run that AV cr*p for newbies, but they'll be the first to stop by a security forum for help when their toy is seriously broken.

What I like is reasonably securing the dang OS/PC and still be able to use it for what I want. (To be totally secure on any OS, unplug it.) Just like cars...one can push for better safety standards but industry is slow to respond. In the meantime, wear seatbelts, perform routine maitenance, keep the car in good safe condition, respond to any recalls or parts updates and drive safely. But if you're drunk at the wheel even a Volvo won't be safe. So I do find the "which OS is better" wars nonsensical. Use what you want and do what you want just as I will. Preaching to others as if from Mt Sinai or Olympus really isn't effective, regardless of the subject, unless you're accompanied by a burning bush or an earthquake or two.

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There is no Windows XP vs. Windows ME issue in reality. There is only Windows XP. Windows ME is simply an older version of Windows.

I am sure there are people out there who swear by DOS. Good for them. But Windows XP is the *current* version of Windows. Eventually it'll be supplanted by the next version of Windows.

But as a software developer, I'm going to focus on the OS that the bulk of my customers use and that's Windows XP/2000 (Windows 98/ME has a larger installed base overall but they don't tend to buy desktop enhancements).

In November, only 12% of visitors were using Windows 98, and less than 5% were using Windows ME.



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#15 by bakerstreet - 12/5/2002 4:07:32 PM

troll('Bryce'=>"JamMeister33", 'WindowsXP'=>"exploreRPG!")


/me asks "Are you challenging me to a duel?"
Time to get your medication dosage upped BS....

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brad.. what's a good link for a technical discussion of the major bonuses of xp.. like how it doesn't use shared memory the way 98 and me do?
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Here's a good site with some info re: memory mgt in 9X, XP:

http://www.aumha.org/index.htm

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