any math people here???



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anyone can help me in proving this trig identity?

sec x + 1 - tan x 1 + cos x
----------------- = ---------
tan x - sec x + 1 sin x


if u have the time....
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Reply #1 Top
Hmm? wazzat?
/me only goes as far as 2 + 2 = 3
Reply #2 Top
That was 40 years ago. I think those brain cells have died! Don't remember what (sec) means.

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Reply #4 Top
Thats right werewolf, I said some of those brain cells died off.

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Reply #5 Top
I remember how to do the other functions, but forgot how to do secant. Oh well, it is early in the morning to do brain teasers.

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The answer is 42...

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Here's what I can remember from 25 years ago:

I don't know how much you know so if anything below doesn't make sense then please write back.

A very effective way to prove most trig identities like the one above is to use complex numbers. To do this we use the formula

eix = cos(x) + isin(x)

So cos(x) = (1/2)(eix + e-ix)
and sin(x) = (1/2i)(eix - e-ix)

So if I set x = ip/11, then the question above is to show that:

(x4 - x-4)
------- + 2 (x1 - x-1) = i sqrt(11)
(x4 + x-4)

Now if we multiply both sides by (x4 + x-4) and then square each side and simplify then we get (after a little work which I'm certainly not typing out!):

4(x10 + x9 + x8 - x7 + x6 + 2x2 + 1 + x-10 + x-9 + x-8 - x-7 + x-6 + 2x-2) = 0

Now x11 = -1 (because x11 = eip = -1)

So -1 = x11 = x9+2 = x9 × x2 => x9 + x2 = 0

And similarly -x7 = x-4

So the long equation above becomes:

(x10 + x8 + x6 + x4 + x2 + x-10 + x-8 + x-6 + x-4 + x-2 + 1) = 0

So if we can prove this is true then the result you want will be true.

Now, x11 = -1 means that x22 = 1

So 0 = x22 - 1 = (x-1)(1 + x + x2 + x3 + ... + x21)
= (x-1)(1+x)(1 + x2 + x4 + x6 + ... + x20)

Now, clearly x isn't 1 or -1, so the above means that:

1 + x2 + x4 + ... + x20 = 0

Dividing by x10 (allowed as x isn't 0) gives:

x10 + x8 + x6 + x4 + x2 + x-10 + x-8 + x-6 + x-4 + x-2 + 1 = 0

Which is exactly what we wanted.

So tan(4p/11) + 4sin(p/11) = sqrt(11). QED


Whew!
Reply #8 Top
BTW this was an example of how to prove tan(4p/11) + 4sin(p/11) = sqrt(11). But it should show you how to go about proving yours. I was always taught by my trig teacher to "do your own work".
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Ok

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Reply #10 Top
I think I speak for everyone here when I say HUH?



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Reply #11 Top
I'm not very bright but I can lift heavy things...

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Reply #12 Top
hmm

thanks motion but i we havent learnt complex numbers yet

maybe i should consult with my teacher again!
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actually the text is 'bad'. this is the identity:

sec(x) + 1 - tan(x)
------------------- equal to:
tan(x) - sec(x) + 1


=


1 + cos(x)
----------
sin(x)

Reply #14 Top
we have to prove this using these identities (we have learnt)

sin²x + cos²x = 1
1 + tan²x = sec²x
1 + cot²x = cosec²x

but still not gettin it! >
Reply #15 Top
yay!!!!! i had actually asked a math doctor on the internet. he just guided me. i found it out. here's it:

1+cos(x)-sin(x)
---------------
sin(x)-1+cos(x)

= (1+cos(x)) - sin(x) || (1+cos(x))+sin(x)
------------------- || -----------------
sin(x)-(1-cos(x)) || (1+cos(x))+sin(x)

= 1+cos²(x)+2cos(x)-1+cos²(x)
---------------------------
sin²(x)+sin(x)[1+cos(x)]-sin²(x)-sin(x)[1-cos(x)]

= 2cos(x)[1+cos(x)]
-----------------
2sin(x).cos(x)

= 1+cos(x)
--------
sin(x)

= RHS!! yay! lol
Reply #17 Top
definiitly 42!

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Reply #18 Top
31 years ago I may have known this one....but if you don't use it, it drops off...[he says in a high, squeaky voice]...

Oh, yeah....it's nearly always '42'...
Reply #19 Top
hey whats the '42' being talked about here...?
Reply #21 Top
do a google for douglas adams

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Reply #22 Top
i know its a bit late to submit this info for you Lord Vimal, but i am a math wiz and this stuff wuz done in high school for me. the way to go about that prob on ur own if your interested is to substitue out the sec and the second sets that go along with sin/cos/tan cosecant/?/cotang ... know wut i mean? i dont remember the defs they should be in ur textbook that like sin+1=cosecant etc ... once you are done swapping them out all you do is cancel and simplify the equation therefore leaving you with a tru statement or a false statement ... if u dont know how to simplify a problem like that then you shouldnt be doing identities like that one! anyhow good luck in you endeavors!

-Shawn-
Reply #23 Top
Doing my tax return is enough math for me-thank you very much.
Reply #24 Top
Is Dutch math like different from US/English math or something? Higher math like complex numbers, arrays and all the multidimensional stuff I've seen, but I've never heard of 'sec' or 'identity' for that matter.
Reply #25 Top
craeonics

the problem is already solved. i posted it!