There's no retail release of Photoshop, it's currently only available in late beta to some... so I guess it depends on whether you consider 'beta' as an existing product. I've never really cared for PS on any platform so I'm not real pressed about it's final release, though I know quite a lot are.

If by "Apple culture" you mean that 'classic' group of people, rather like Amiga or OS/2 fanatics of old, then I tend to agree. Of course, I see those type of people on every platform, I just tend to ignore them mostly and use what works for me.

It's true, Apple have had some silly ideas in the past, mostly involving gimmickery to sell their hardware. Is it just me that has noticed the disproportionate number of Macs in movies and TV shows?

Mr. Folden, I have a copy of Aqua Finder for windows if you would like it, the place I got it from seems to have removed it, no doubt at the request of Apple. If you want me to send it just ICQ or email me.

Don't get me started on a Apple product placement. I remember the early episodes of "Felicity." The guy playing the graphic design major mentioned his Mac (in detail) every other episode. Annoying as hell.

Uhh... Not that I'd ever watch Felicity

Apple spend a lot of money for product placement in movies.

But what kills me is when they show you somebody with an iBook, then on the screen you see it's clearly Windows.

Windows is so big due to the range of programs it has. Newer versions of Linux have the wine command but it's a pain in the but and has a help file almost as big as the php4 documentation. When Linx starts making it easier to run windoiws apps on the OS they will start taking an even bigger place in the market. Besides it's a free OS and no more $200 for an upgrade. XP is good but not worth that much for an upgrade.

I never had anything more than a passing curiosity regarding Mac's.......but it passed....

It all boils down to marketing and software availiability.

frogboy loses 10 points for using AOL.

Ya almost had him there Brad...

Linux is really one OS that I just don't see catching on where the general desktop user is concerned. It's got too many shortcomings and not enough mature apps of it's own. Having solid support for Windows apps, assuming it ever happened, might give it a momentary surge but I think that might do more harm than good in the long run. That's one of the problems with OS/2, I think. At the time, it ran Win apps just as good if not better than Windows...therefore software manufacturers had less of a need to develop platform specific titles. ...and if an OS has no native software, what's the point?

jajajaja!!!!

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by Scribe Frogboy - 1/8/2002 10:35:26 PM

i think Intel works better with Linux

And what's treeview and where can I find it?

JT: I totally disagree. I think they shoud, vote a law or something to force software compatibility! If all OS had a standard of some sort to run software, THEN it would really come down to which OS do people really prefer. Beeing forced to choose an OS just because more software are available for it is really ridiculous. It's reality right now, but it shouldn't be. One should choose an OS for a bunch of reasons: better GUI, more stability, more secure, faster, and a host of other reasons where the OS actually has some merit. Where is an OS's merit if a bunch of third parties make software for it?
And moreover, I think there are 2 main reasons Apple never made it: Price and lack of title availability. Well, that's how Apple lost me anyway. My first computer was a Mac Plus; had it for 7 years, and I totally loved it. But after so many years I had to buy a new computer. I chose a PC for those 2 reasons. But now I wouldn't go back.

As for Linux: all they need is a simple GUI, and that will come. Of course it won't be free anymore by then. A couple of previous Mac employees had a project to make the ultimate easiest GUI for Linux (Easel) but the project died for lack of funds. Life sux sometimes. :/

Lack of funds will kill most open source projects, why develop something if you just have to give the code away.

That is way windows will stay #1 for long into the future. OSX is a nice operating system, but I would never be able to use it exclusively simply because of lack of apps and I don’t like having my computer completely controlled by Apple. Who makes Microsoft seem lax in attempts to control my GUI.

If I could have a duel but system of XP and OSX I would buy it, But I would never give up my PC, PC’s are and will stay the best computer option as long into the future as I can see.

That’s just my opinion.

I hear a lot of people talk about a 'lack of apps' where the mac is concerned but frankly I'm just not feeling it here at all. I suppose if I had some *very* specific needs or was a heavy gamer then it might be a problem but I haven't had any trouble finding any tool I need for the job. I've certainly felt it quite a bit in the past on other OS's like NeXT and OS/2 and a very brief - blink of an eye - flirtation with Linux...but not on the mac now. In fact, I've found some truly wonderful apps on the mac that I never found in such a nice, easy to use form under Windows.

As I always say, the best computer / OS option is the one that works best for *you*.

Personally, however, I think Linux needs a lot more than just a simple GUI... that doesn't even begin to cure the inconsistencies I found when giving it a trial run.

I don’t like having my computer completely controlled by Apple.

by Master mormegil - 1/9/2002 11:51:30 PM

i heard that microsoft has demands of Monopolio...

I think it's always Windows users that haven't ran it that complain about the lack of software on the Mac. Fear, ridicule or look down on that which you do not know, so to speak.

Buzz: TreeView is the file manager you see in the back. It's like the folders bit in an explorer window, but on the Mac you see the files themselves in the tree too. Handy at times, unless when you have a shit load of files in a folder. Imagine browsing your win directory with it...

I do not speak of what I do not know. Walk into any software store, you'll see all but one row of Mac software in the whole store. Go on a Download.com,TUCOWS or any shareware/freeware site and compare what is avilable for which plateforms. I agree, most of the big name applications are available for both (although not all are), but sometimes you just don't have the choice on a Mac. Take HTML editing for example, there just aren't any decent applications on the Mac plateform; sure there is BBEdit but I don't like it, but that's about the only choice you get. Homesite is by far the best on the market, but it's Windows only. Another example, the other day I found a very nice little program that makes the task of making cool effects in Flash very easy. The program is called Swish and again, it's PC only. Man, there are quite a number of examples like that... Just more familiar apps such as all the Object Desktop apps, Trillian, Litestep, Winamp, Colorpad or even... NextStart!

Microsoft my want to be a monopolie, but when it comes to macs apple is, by the very nature of there macheiens. It's OK with me I jsut think that It's not worth it for me, not even as a graphics persson do I need a mac anymore.

mormegil...
monopolie - monopoly
there - their
macheiens - machines
jsut - just
persson - person


BTW....corrections all free of charge.....

(wasn't talking about you paxxy)

Perspective shift: it's more like there's an abundance of apps on the Win-platform, than a lack of apps on the Mac.

Note that I rarely use Macs so all this is pure opinion.

I like the Mac OS (yes, even X). But the idea of not being as free to take the machine apart as I am with my PC is a big no-no. Hell, last week I messed so much with my box that I didn't even bother to put up the side panels for a while ç

Plus the idea of giving Steve Jobs money bothers me more than the idea of giving Bill Gates money. "Look at this, kids: Multicolored Macs. I've innovated personal computing again!"

I should just get an Amiga

I never claimed to be able to spelll.

I think that's a pretty good call, Crae...

Having 10 times more software in a given category on Windows vs the mac doesn't always mean a whole heck of a lot if 95% are junk and all you really need are 1 or 2 quality apps to choose from...

If you're partial to one particular app then you might be hurting but there are valid choices. ...and for people who like Linux, there are more and more unix apps crossing over every day.

I don't need Trillian, I've got Proteus and Fire.app to just name two. I would never choose WinAMP over iTunes or Audion. Don't need Colorpad when DigitalColor Meter is included right in OS X. Haven't even felt the need to look for LiteStep or NextSTART replacements as the X GUI is pretty darn stable and slick to begin with...but again there are plenty of desktop additions and utils for X, including DragThing, Snard, NexBar, PocketDock, space.dock and the list goes on and on... There's certainly no lack of really nice Dock apps on X which you won't find on Win.

Sure there are individual titles that are missing from the Mac (who wouldn't mind seeing something like WB or IconPackager from OD but we've got Duality for X now which might eventually turn into something useful) but then there are plenty of useful titles for OS X that I don't see equal replacements for on Win: No Sherlock or Watson (which is an amazingly handy app), no iPhoto, no OmniWeb, no RBrowser, just to name a few cheap/freebie/shareware utils.

I'm having more fun and being more productive using a computer than I have in years, probably since OS/2, and I'm not suffering from a lack of apps at all.

I PREFER MY ATARI FALCON.