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Rip Patrol

Rip Patrol

Ok, I'm feeling like I'm on rip patrol this week, but in checking out visual styles for XP, I'm coming across all sorts of interesting items. Yesterday I found WC member's walls posted somewhere with no credit given. And today.......Alexandrie's Preluna skin sliced and diced into a visual style @ http://www.peakpeak.com/~nicks/themes.html There may some other interesting items there also. There's no contact info, but here's where the link came from http://www.neowin.net/bboard/showthread.php?s=2b515212848513d1fdea3d8a47da7ecb&threadid=4243
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Reply #26 Top
Firestorm...I agree whole-heartedly with you, but preferably keep a handle on the chosen language...
Reply #27 Top
I think I warned that this would be the likely outcome, and similarly for wall artists with the XP logon screens.
'Lost Souls' by Nuvem has already been ripped and I'm in the midst of a polite discussion with the site owner regarding his culpability...
Reply #28 Top
Brian Go-"I think this will only undermine the legitimacy TGT Soft wishes styles xp to achieve. "

It's a hack for a hack. Ripping skins for a hacked dll. Sounds about right to me. No shock there.


"Maybe the best way to stop the rips would be for the designer to do there own ports. It's bad that an artist would have to do that. But it would definetly point out to the unknowing who the true designer is. They could even tell people this is my work, but it's much better with WB. "

So, you think that the artists should all port their skins to Style XP just so somebody won't rip them? Um... what if they simply don't want to make those types of skins? Plus, you *can't* just port them because most of the skins have different buttons and features that aren't supported by msstyles. So, what you end up with is a really bad looking port. Just like the rips. They are sucky ripped versions of the original skins. I guess everyone should also make their skins into WinAmp skins so that nobody rips their artwork? Uh, no. No ripping should be permitted. You rip, the community comes after you. The artist owns their artwork, and it should only be used as they please. If Alexandrie said "no", then no part of her work should have been used even with them noting that it was "inspired" by her work. Should it be right to copy an Ansel Adams photo, only use a section of it,paste it on a background, call it a wallpaper and then claim it as your own? No. But, that is exactly what they did. An artist shouldn't have to do anything to reduce ripping. They should never have to port a skin to a format they are not confortable with. Of course, we are dealing with a different bunch, here. We aren't used to dealing with people who have no respect for copyright or intellectual property.
Reply #29 Top
Jafo, don't worry, I'll be more careful in the future.

ps-- The mod at the iexBeta board closed the thread discussing the PreLuna port, and acknowledged it as a rip
Reply #30 Top
JavaBrain - Ease up on the coffee.

I did start my sentence with "maybe". It was just a suggestion to make it stop. It's up to the artist to do what they feel is right. It's not my stuff, so I'm not telling anyone what they should do.

Does JavaBrain like to ask questions and then answer them? Yes.

Thanks for the big lecture. You know what? I agree with you! So how do you make the problem go away?
Reply #31 Top
Brian Go- without coffee, I would no longer exist (I'm saying this as I'm drinking some)

It wasn't meant to be a "lecture", I am just very defensive when it comes to stealing people's artwork. I am not a skin artist, but I am a stained glass artist (where people *sell* their designs for others to use) and I also went to school for fine art photography.

There is no way to make it stop, just as there is no way to make people quit shoplifting. It's the ethics of the people that are involved that make a difference.
Reply #32 Top
this is not the end
http://board.iexbeta.com/cgi-bin/ib2/topic.cgi?forum=17&topic=204

the guy posted it again
Reply #34 Top
he removed the link but this is not the end of the story
Reply #35 Top
I can't believe you guys. Well, I removed the link, but I am keeping the skin for myself at least. I have just lost all respect for the skinning community in general, but particularly Stardock. It's really a shame that you resort to childish flaming...

BTW, StyleXP is technically superior to WindowBlinds. I know I probably, ne, definately, will get flamed for this post.

So much for the first amendment.
Reply #36 Top
what the hell you talking about, kiddo? Do I look like a Stardock employee? do you see any Stardock people posting here? No? Then what the hell you talking about? You can stick with your crippled little hack. i DL's WB rc2a last night and guess what? it's FASTER than luna now. so you use your slow crippled program. but if wb is so terrible then why were you trying to steal its skins? make your own damn stuff and don't try to delude yourself into thinking stardocks somehow the reason people are against you stealing alexandrie's stuff. some people are actually mature enough to know that stealing is wrong.
Reply #37 Top
LoL! By your definition of stealing, half of the skins here are "stolen"! Anyway, I said I didn't like WindowBlinds. That doesn't mean I don't like the skins. BTW, I have tried RC2, and it is still slow. If you look at it technically, it cannot match Luna (or styleXP).

Also, I don't care about a hacked dll. Please explain exactly how it is crippled. True, it can only skin theme-aware apps, but guess what? 90% of new apps will be theme-aware. Just like the new native apps for OSX.

Some people are actually mature enough to know what stealing is.
Reply #38 Top
"Some people are actually mature enough to know what stealing is."

And you're not one of them. You're not defending your right to free speech, you're trying to justify theft.
Reply #39 Top
half of the skin is stolen?

WOW so recolored and stretch things can put you as the skin new skin author?

If you don't like Windowblinds, why are you using it to convert skins from other authors? Just create yours pixels by pixels.

wonder who is not mature here

Reply #40 Top
PreLuna, which you ripped off, was an original creation not inspired by any other particular skin. To say that half the skins on here for all these programs are stolen just shows your lack of integrity. Ripping isn't a capital offence, but being a weasel about it should be. When you actually make your own stuff from scratch, then you can bitch about how ripping should be okay.

And if your precious style xp is so great then stick with it and make some original skins. I'll stick WindowBlinds, it's much better. And I'm not affiliated with Stardock. I'm just getting sick of the stylexp weanies who wetting themselves that they can change title bar bitmaps. Whooopie. I'll stick with what's better, safer and faster.
Reply #42 Top
neodescis...
You have been allowed to post your opinion here, thus upholding this 'first amendment', but please understand that although the US is a big country, vastly more people do not have this 'protection' via The US constitution.
Do not assume you retain this right 'universally', but maybe only in the US.

As for copyright theft, it appears that various new programs in the skinning scene have brought with them new people....new to the laws of copyright and plagiarism.
Skinning is a defensible artform requiring physical endeavour which is capable of being protected under international Intellectual Copyright Law.
It actually crosses more boundarys than your First amendment.
Theft of artwork 'may' be excused through ignorance, but once people are informed of the violation, that excuse is subsequently null and void.
You steal?
You commit an offence.
You suffer consequences.

If a person wishes to remain a respected individual in the International on-line skinning community then you MUST respect the rights of others, else you will be Ostracized, and justafiably so....
Reply #43 Top
An update...
The Lost Souls 'rip' was removed from the XP logon site by the site owner after a little discussion or two between he, and me....all politely handled on both sides.
Call it a small win in the on-going battle against theft....
Reply #44 Top
he is still posting a link with my XPCopper skin I made but in different colors

http://board.iexbeta.com/cgi-bin/ib2/topic.cgi?forum=17&topic=204
Reply #46 Top
This is a rhetorical question, and is by no meant to cause derision or flame.

My question is plain and simple and by no means is it meaant to be a flame or anything else with negative implications. First, I would like to state theat I have a great and deep respect for Alexandrie, whom I believe to be a talented and innovative digital artist. But as of recently I have noticed that you have taken great offense to the *ripping* of some of your themes. Pre-Luna is understandable, in that it is solely your creation. But your XP luna skins of various colors are in fact *rips* of the actual XP luna interface created by talented microsoft designers. And your themes give no credit to them in the first place. Secondly, I would like to point out that there are various skins, and themes, which are ports of the XP luna interface and in everyone there is once again no referece to the original nameless microsoft designers. This does not exclude OS X skins, and themes, and various other ports based on the look and feel of a particular operating system. Now what I'm getting at here is something that we as a skinning community need to define. We all understand what a *rip* is, but now how does this relate to *ripping* or cloning the interface of and actual OS, these were created by designers and therefore are themes in and of themselves. Were do we draw the line. What I'm proposing consists of two choices, though others may be suggested as well, perhaps we should conclude that a theme based on actual OS is open to *ripping* in that it is already the work of an unamed artist, and therefore it is impossible to get permission. Or we could include in a theme based on an OS and acknowlegement to the original unnamed creators. This would allow any one to create versions of an OS with out the debate of who *ripped* who, becuase the orignal designers have already been *ripped*. Now I realize that Alexandrie's XP themes, are in question here, and by no means do I wish to put down his work or anyone else's but philosophically speaking his were *rips* to begin with. Therefore any debate concerning his works being *ripped* is null-in-void. If I were to make an BeOs skin for WindowBlinds first, and then someone else did later on, would his skin be a *rip* of mine or was mine a *rip* to begin with. I'm by no means trying to dictate change, I just feel that this topic needs to be addressed. *Ripping* others art is most certainly and aggreivous offense, but when the question of whom *ripped* whom first comes in to question, we as the skinning community need to decide how to remedy these kind of situations. Once again I am be no means putting down Alexandrie, I just think that this question needs to be addressed in an open forum.

From a member of wincostomise, deviantart, iexbeta, ls2k, litestep.net, and various other communitites.
Fare the well, lite laughter and sweet water to all.
Reply #47 Top
If you look carefully, you'll notice that while Alexandrie's XP skins follow the guidelines set forth by the Luna designer(s), all of the graphics are made by Alex herself.

Aside from that, you do raise an interesting point... Personally, I tend to go easy on OS-based skins because OS makers seem to be ok with the creation of skins that are either inspired by or are direct clones of their GUIS (Microsoft endorses WB, even including it in its XP catalog, and I've never heard they have a problem with all the Luna-based skins out there). Be and Next are no longer in business, so that particular point is moot. KDE users have themes that mimic both Windows and the Mac OS, so I find it hard to beliecve they'd hgave a problem with KDE-like skins. As for Apple... They certainly were unhappy about the OSX ports/rips. I don't know what the situation is now.
Reply #48 Top
so why he don'T color the ORIGINAL LUNA not my graphics
Reply #50 Top
Hey guys - I was actually in the process of creating some new themes to replace the WindowBlinds ones when you posted this last stuff. If you go to my site again, you will see that the new ones ARE based on Luna, not XPCopper (which I don't like anyway, mainly because of the start panel).

And FYI, the reason I choose to skin Styles XP is mainly that I find WindowBlinds to be more unstable and slower. I have tried WB3 RC2, and I can honestly say that I wasn't that impressed.

And by the way, TheHamster - StyleXP actually skins MORE controls than WindowBlinds does. True, it only skins them on applications that support themes, but soon all (or at least most) new applications will.