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Common Sense Needs to Prevail

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/27/advise-women-abortion-safer-giving-birth-british-doctors-told/?test=latestnews
from JoeUser Forums

You have to be kidding me!  Giving birth is more dangerous than abortion?  Yep, that's what the doctors and nurses in Britain are being told to tell their patients.  

They just don't stop there.  They go on to advise that these same doctors should tell their patients that there is no more trauma, illness or guilt associated with terminating a pregnancy than going full term and delivering it. 

Tell that to the thousands of women who have aborted their babies and lived to tell about it.  Many of them are seen marching for life every January either at their state capitols or in Washington warning others NOT to abort their unborn children like they did.  It was the trauma and guilt that pressed them to participate in these marches. 

How about the many who cannot have children as a result of aborting her, at the time, unwanted child only to be told later they will never be able to have another?    How does that compare to those women who have carried their child (ren) full term going onto successful pregnancies later? 

So who's telling the truth? 

Well think about it.  One is a natural, every day for thousands of years, occurrence.  The other is a violent, unnatural ripping away an unborn child from his mother's womb.  Which sounds safer to you?  Emotionally?  Physically? 

Common sense people. 

Gimmie a break. 

 

 

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top

BoobzTwo posts:

But I thought the issue of abortion was the actual topic.
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Yes, it's about abortion and people of all stripes, persuasions and beliefs understand that abortion is wrong.

I do not study abortion either
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People don't have to study abortion to know it's wrong.

You obviously don't know much about the pro-life movement's work through the years since 1973. This helps explains why you say things like:

All I saw was complaining … nothing about what can be done … even though it seems to be out of our hands right now … we do still have to do more than just complain, right?
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and

If you want to actually be constructive, I would think organizations like “Planned Parenthood” (and a gazillion others I suppose) should be if not shutdown, to at least attempt to shut down their funding.
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My suggestion would be ...… and DO SOMETHING … other than discuss (seemingly amongst yourselves only?) the merits and the right of it … You cannot win the battle if all you are willing to is talk … and who do you think all your exposing matters to … them???
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All I am trying to point out is the fact that we are losing the battle;
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Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top

LULA POSTS:

Can you see what's happening here? PP and these very organizations have a whopper of a financial vested interest in keeping these girls sexually active and when they become pregnant abortion results.
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BOOBZtWO POSTS

Lulu: Yes I can!!! But I am not the one that needs convincing ... and neither are you ...
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All I am trying to point out is the fact that we are losing the battle;..
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If things are not advancing in the proper direction (as we all agree they are not),
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I know it must seem that we (the pro-life movement) are losing the battle, but I would say we are coming round the bend and winning the battle to end abortion. Things are indeed advancing in the pro-life direction. 

For example, in 1993 there were over 2,000 abortuaries (clinics). Today there are less than half of that. Gosnell's was one of the latest to be shut down.  He's on trial for killing hundreds of baby after they were born.

PP bloody deeds and corruption has been/is being exposed bigtime. Yes, what has been going on for years that PP routinely offers abortion to minors.  Have you not seen the news reports showing videos exposing PP employees who ignored; covered up and didn't report sex abuse of minor girls?

Abortion is a bloody business. And the abortion industry is running out of abortionists who'll perform the dirty deed. Even those doctors who consider themselves pro-abortion won't  perform the procedure. You might say in this case, we are winning by attrition.  

 

The evil of abortion is slowly being exposed and as more crimes become visible to the public, the abortion movment loses supporters.  It's no small thing that now the majority of people are no longer in favor of abortion on demand.

And besides this even in politics we see the legal evidence is mounting of the recognition that the rights of the Constitution apply to the unborn child.

This legal evidence is based on scientific evidence that the unborn child is indeed a person...a living human person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top

All I am trying to point out is the fact that we are losing the battle; come on, use your God given head. If things are not advancing in the proper direction (as we all agree they are not), then maybe you need to refocus on technique used (with the desired results themselves of prime concern), and stop pressing theology.
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Okay...since you brought it up, I  will gladly speak of the fundamental  reason why we are winning the fight to end abortion in terms of theology.

I can't say it better than Fr. Pavone of Priests For Life. 

Above all else, we know we are winning the fight to end abortion becasue we have already won! Death doesn't have the final word in the human story.

There is One among us Who holds the keys of death and Hell. Jesus Christ thought to be overwhelmed by the agents of death, trampled death by His Death and Resurrection from the dead.As a result death has been robbed of its power. Becasue of Christ's death and resurrection death no longer has the final word in the human story.

This means that the power of abortion which takes more human life than anything else has also been broken. The pro-life movement does not simply work for victory....we work from victory. Victory is our starting point.We joyfully proclaim to the world that Christ is risen and that for this reason we must choose life. We then work to apply that victory to every sector of society.

The labor is intense and the obstacles are many. But we do not cower before the culture of death and wonder how we will ever overcome it. Rather we stand before it with victorious confidence and declare:

"Begone. You have no room here. No place here. No further authority to menace the human family. Your kingdom has been conquered and Christ reigns supreme."

 

 

 

 

Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top

#19

we are talking about human beings being murdered here … and you just want to be TRUE! I do not study abortion either … the act is all I need.
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People find it difficult at best to compete with perfectness (of which they are incapable of anyway), and they have actually been known to listen to reason … if given the chance?
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As I have already said, there are many people with different belief systems who understand the act of abortion for what it is. There is no competition going on; they walk side by side and defend innocent human life in the womb.

 

Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 28
Reply #28
lulapilgrim
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Understand where I have to come from here!  This is how I interpret this quoted post. The sole is all that is really important and the life itself is insubstantial in the bigger scheme of things. Here we are talking about the inhumanity of infanticide, and your guy is telling you that you have already won, go figure. Whenever I reference ‘The Human Story’, all reference point to the factual evolution of humanity and are about the actual humans in this tragic story. Things like this

Robert Gilman - The Human Story - Our bodies contain ancient hydrogen formed in the first moments of the universe. Our carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and all the other heavy elements in our bodies, are the gift of supernova stars. Our cells have been perfected by the patient workings of countless bacteria through billions of years, and our organs are the gift of thousands of species that evolved during the past billion years. Our bodies are, in a sense, simply a regrouping of very ancient materials …Etc.

Now come on here – “This means that the power of abortion which takes more human life than anything else has also been broken.” Your munchkins of old have probably killed more people spreading the word of God to others at the point of a sword. I do not see the “intense labor” anywhere (of course I am not looking, humm) and I do not think things like "Be gone. You have no room here. No place here. No further authority to menace the human family …” is not going to help the cause and it even implies that there was previous authority.

In all honesty, I do not understand why we continue to cross theology with humanity over and over again … especially when we are purported to be on the same side.

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting BoobzTwo, reply 30
Understand where I have to come from here! This is how I interpret this quoted post. The sole is all that is really important and the life itself is insubstantial in the bigger scheme of things. Here we are talking about the inhumanity of infanticide, and your guy is telling you that you have already won, go figure. .........

......and I do not think things like "Be gone. You have no room here. No place here. No further authority to menace the human family …” is not going to help the cause and it even implies that there was previous authority.

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Re: the highlighted: Yes, in the bigger scheme of things, namely our eternal life, our soul is really important. And that depends how we spend our life. (Enough said on that because it's going on a different theological limb). 

Quoting BoobzTwo, reply 30
Understand where I have to come from here! This is how I interpret this quoted post. The sole is all that is really important and the life itself is insubstantial in the bigger scheme of things. Here we are talking about the inhumanity of infanticide, and your guy is telling you that you have already won, go figure. .........

......and I do not think things like "Be gone. You have no room here. No place here. No further authority to menace the human family …” is not going to help the cause and it even implies that there was previous authority.

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Christians know we have already won by our Christian faith. (enough said on that for that too is going on a theological limb.)

I'll let St. Therese of Lisieux explain it...."Our lot is to work; the victory is for Jesus. When there is a question of doing good to our neighbor (in the case of abortion...our neighbor is the baby in the womb), we must let nothing deter us nor pass over anything to make things easier for ourselves."

Quoting BoobzTwo, reply 30
I do not think things like "Be gone. You have no room here. No place here. No further authority to menace the human family …” is not going to help the cause and it even implies that there was previous authority.
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I understand why this would be not in your thinking. It's addressed to Satan. It's telling Satan to be gone that he has no room here. Until Christ died on the Cross and redeemed all mankind, Satan ruled the world. (Enough said on this for it is going on a theological limb).

 

Quoting BoobzTwo, reply 30
In all honesty, I do not understand why we continue to cross theology with humanity over and over again … especially when we are purported to be on the same side.
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We are on the same side if you are against infanticide. People of different belief systems understand that abortion is wrong and work together in various ways to eradicate the evil practice from our land. 

 

 

Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting BoobzTwo, reply 30
Whenever I reference ‘The Human Story’, all reference point to the factual evolution of humanity and are about the actual humans in this tragic story. Things like this

Robert Gilman - The Human Story - Our bodies contain ancient hydrogen formed in the first moments of the universe. Our carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, and all the other heavy elements in our bodies, are the gift of supernova stars. Our cells have been perfected by the patient workings of countless bacteria through billions of years, and our organs are the gift of thousands of species that evolved during the past billion years. Our bodies are, in a sense, simply a regrouping of very ancient materials …Etc.
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Gilman's Human Story requires a rebuttal, but that would take us off topic somewhat, so I'll wait for KFC to decide whether or not she wants it to be done or on a new blog. 

Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting lulapilgrim, reply 31
And that depends how we spend our life. (Enough said on that because it's going on a different theological limb).
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Exactly, there is nothing in my life that can justify the title of a theological limb, just the opposite, but you do try to keep things theological for sure. When you research an article, where do you go? Personally, I look for a person that supports my ideas and that never leads me to the bible and whatnot, where you seem to spend all your time. We will never be able to discuss "The Human Story" because we have no common ground. I would discuss scientific advances in technology and the abundance of support material and you will dust off that 2000 year old book of yours ... and off we go to the races. It doesn't make any sense to me though. See, you can be nice and ask the author this question, to bad few others on JU seem to understand this concept, go figure