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Brad's Skinning Blog: GUI Olympics rants, trademarks, videos, and what's in a skin...

Brad's Skinning Blog: GUI Olympics rants, trademarks, videos, and what's in a skin...

I remember now why I don't like doing GUI Olympics/Championships. The horror...the horror. There's always someone who thinks their entry is the end all be all and wants to make everyone miserable for not being given their kudos.

I'm used to the WindowBlinds community or more specifically, the WinCustomize community. The world's largest skinning community that is also one of the most friendly and mature.  It's a fun place to hang out with. A place where the skinners are more diplomatic than most of the users!

And this week the results of the GUI Olympics were particularly tough because there were so many great skins to choose from. And the icons that have been made have reached quality levels that were simply..breathtaking.  Fortunately, I'm not an official judge. But in a way, I wish I were. Because me and Pat have put massive hours (again) into this contest and yet we have very little control over the results. So if people don't like the results, they blame the contest as a whole which I tend to take a bit personally since I've poured so much time into it.

This is particularly true on the Winamp skins where the judging is mostly at the discretion of the Nullsoft judges. I don't think Voodoo (the Neowin judge) participated in the Winamp judging this week. But the judges are exceptionally qualified. First, my friend Jark, the man behind deviantART, the largest art community in the world. Secondly, you have two judges from Nullsoft itself, makers of Winamp. You'd be hard pressed to find a more prestigious and excellent set of judges than that.  And I think they've done a great job.

The results on the Winamp skins seem good to me. I'm just going by screenshots but they look good. But apparently some portions of the Winamp community weren't satisfied with them so they've taken out their angst on the contest by making it very loud that they think the contest is a joke. And in classic "shoot the messenger" a lot of the abuse was heaped on me personally even though I'm not even involved on the Winamp stuff.

To put things in contrast, on the WindowBlinds and icon packages area I could definitely see artists who could be rightfully miffed. It was sooo close on some of them. One of my personal favorite icon packages, Alloy Bezel, didn't win best themed. In fact, it didn't even place in the top 3. I was made for him.

But did you see Ian Black (vf) out there screaming about it? No. He has class. He's a real pro. And Treetog's PirateOS icons were outsanding too. Designed specifically for the pseudo-OS icon event. And Treetog is one of the most popular skinners in history. But he didn't place in the top 3.  Do you see Treetog out there ranting and raving? No. Again, he has class.

And DigitalChet's Sugarfree skin just barely missed placing in the best themed WindowBlinds skin. But has he written up some long complaint? No. In fact, none of the WindowBlinds authors were out there complaining even though there are over 100 WindowBlinds skins out there. It's about sportsmanship.

But from some of the Winamp artists/coders we get "your contest is a joke!", personal attacks, and other nastiness. Why? Some of them calling the prizes a joke in the Winamp area. Those who know me know that while I have a thick skin, I have a real weak spot for people who mistakenly believe they have leverage. I got email from a couple Winamp users saying how they hate Stardock now (as if Stardock were somehow at fault for the Winamp skin results). Another couple of users threatened to pull their skins out. That's insane thinking. Exactly how does it harm Stardock if there are Winamp skins in the contest or not? If every Winamp skin author pulled their skin, how does that harm us? The contest is there to promote skinning and we wanted Winamp to be involved because we like the guys at Nullsoft and we wanted to help highlight Winamp skinning and help promote Winamp 5. The GUI Olympics has gotten a lot of traffic. Having Winamp in the contest helps Winamp. It doesn't affect Stardock. But threatening Stardock to pull your Winamp skins is akin to threatening Microsoft to quit using ICQ.

There was more than one person at Stardock scratching their heads asking why we included Winamp instead of promoting ObjectMedia / DesktopX media playing. As cool as Winamp is, DesktopX is just as capable of doing media players: Full alpha blending, seamless animation,  all the features of WMP, VB Script, Java script support, etc.  But we didn't feel that ObjectMedia was popular enough to warrant that. Winamp, IMO, started skinning on Windows and we felt it had earned its place.  But the nastiness of the vocal elements of the Winamp community have definitely taken the shine off those warm and fuzzy feelings.

A New Name?

Speaking of traffic, no matter how you slice it, this will be the last GUI Olympics under that name. The US Olympic Commission has requested that we not use the name Olympics. Now, you can debate whether they have the right to trademark the name "Olympic" or not but we're not going to mess with it. So if there's another contest in the future like this, it'll be called something else.

WindowBlinds skinning

I don't think some people realize everything that goes into a WindowBlinds skin. This is particularly true of msstyles advocates who think of a GUI skin via the limitations of msstyles. Hence the complaining of results on the WindowBlinds side has mostly come from msstyles advocates who don't realize that WindowBlinds skins can have toolbar icons, progress animations, sound effects, wallpapers, animation, etc.  Animation, for instance, needn't slow down the computer - particularly if well used. And many of the best WindowBlinds skins this year are truly complete in this regard.

But when the "best overall" skin portion comes to play, I can almost imagine hearing some screaming from the people who think of skins as just being the title bar and borders and maybe a clever Start bar. I don't know what the judges will end up going by. Maybe they'll ignore all the other elements if they're missing.

But personally, I think having replacement progress animations and some carefully used sound, and toolbar icons and such matter to a degree. I get weary of hearing people who say "I don't want all that bloat!" Well fine, use classic. I'm skinning my GUI for a reason. I like it being different. That's the whole point. And my laptop runs these things just fine. They don't slow up my work.

Speaking of work...

In final testing for The Political Machine. Been working on the AI a lot on that. I use my machine very intensely for software development and I have DesktopX, ObjectBar. WindowBlinds and WindowFX running pretty much full time. I always wonder about these people who yell about skinning slowing down their computers. It makes me wonder what they do on their computers that is so taxing. Maybe their computers are infested with Spyware or something slowing them down.

Anyway, I hope I don't sound too cranky. It's never fun to have people tell you that you don't know anything about skinning or calling something you've put hundreds of hours into a joke as you can imagine. I can say that I'm really proud of the results of the GUI Olympics so far. I think particularly the WindowBlinds and icon artists have demonstrated a real level of class and maturity. When I saw the results, I could see why what won won even though they weren't necessarily my favorites (particularly on themed icons). But on the other hand, the quality of these things is just stunning. 28 icon packages, each having >100 icons. That's almost 3,000 icons were created and most of them with sizes up to 128x128 down to 16x16. We're talking massive effort there and the quality is stunning.

On that note, here's a link to a demo I did of some of the skins and icons of the GUI Olympics.

Video: GUI Olympics, Weeks 2 and 3...
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Reply #26 Top
Actually I was surprised you were able to use the Olympics name without a problem, that is until they finally said something. I had it heard it mentioned before that it wasn't a name that anyone was allowed to use without permission. I don't know how they managed it, but had heard that.

That aside, it is ridiculous that people would be so bothered by not winning, that they would ask that their skins be removed or suggest that things are rigged or a joke. They are simply sore losers. Of course everyone wants to win, but not everyone can.
The losers should really admire the winners and think about how they can improve things for next time.
I am glad Winamp was included as it has been a stable of skinning for so long, even if it has lost some of its luster in recent years (mainly due to the ver. 3 build I think).
I think this contest is an idea though that despite these slight setbacks is a boon to skinning. It creates immense interest and challenges skinners to really do some outstanding work.
I think everyone who participating and didn't complain deserves a round of applause and many thanks for their hard work.
Reply #27 Top
Hi,

I just read the article about Winamp users complaining about the GUI Olympics and I wanted to say that I agree with you on all points. I am new to the skinners world having just purchased Object Desktop, and downloading Object Dock and Cursor XP.
It seems to me that the effort put in on all this artwork shows a real commitment to expanding the GUI of any computer and should be cherished.
I for one enjoyed browsing many of the contestant's pieces of artwork and hope to one day be able to put a windowblind package together that would be accepted at WinCustomize. I think that putting something back into the skinners community would always be a step in the right direction.
My heart felt congratulations to all who made it into the contest and I hope you are able to run the contest again under whatever name is appropriate.
By the way, I am enjoying a number of downloaded WindowBlinds which my subscription to WinCustomize has afforded me.

Thanks again and I hope this was not too long-winded.

Corky O
Reply #28 Top
I read the various comments from the winamp sknners and was astonished by their reaction. Not everyone will agrre with result sbut to take them and reduce it to a petty playground argument is amazing. I am a dedicated user of Stardocks products and would personally like to thank all those involved in the "Olympics" for their great work and amazing skins. Hopefully it wont put you off organising another such event in the future
Reply #29 Top
To Frogboy and the community: It's not often you see my name in the postings, I'm a part of what they called "the silent majority" several decades ago. As an observer and subscriber to this wonderful community, I feel that I need to speak at this time. I'm sure if you counted the number of subscribers and compared to the number of people that post, you would find a large number of people that quietly enjoy the many skins, themes and artwork of all the people that have the talent and dedication to produce the eye candy that we enjoy. I only wish I had a portion of the talent that this web site shows. As far as the negativeity you have recieved, it is my belief that "THE EMPTY KETTLE MAKES THE LOUDEST NOISE"! The spirit of this competition was totaly missed by these few. I would'nt want to have to judge these events. I can only decide which skins are most appealing to me for my purposes. All that I've seen are truly great artwork and winners in thier own right. The sharing of ideas and concepts is the true prize, and everyone wins! Don't let the noise of the few discourage your efforts! They are appreciated by many like myself that don't speak up as often as we should. Thanks to people like you, the folks at Stardock, and WinCustomize My computer and the whole internet is a much more colorful place than it would otherwise be. Sincerely, Reppiks
Reply #30 Top
Maybe the reason that the Olympics dont want their name name assocsiated with this competition is because they have come here and seen all these comments....somehow doesnt seem to really gel with the 'spirit' of the meaning of what 'they' are trying to achieve in their own idea of what the Olympics stands for. hey?
Reply #31 Top
It's a bit disappointing by the Winamp community but not surprising - I applaud the honour of the GUIO committee to put in a Winamp section as respect for their pioneering effort in skinning, but I also applaud those same people for not letting the Winamp contest be screwed up by several sore losers. It's my opinion that they had their chance and they wasted it - I won't blame Stardock if the next GUIO doesn't have a Winamp contest.

Essencay, I agree with what you mean - Unfortunately, I believe that definition doesn't stick anyway as AFAIK the last GUIO was two years ago (and hopefully the next being two years from now )

Cruiser77, the AOL thing is the main reason (out of many) why I haven't touched Winamp for three years (apart from looking at WA5). If you need another media player to check, I use Quintessential Player now (www.quinnware.com) - A hell of a program and a lot of impressive skins have been made for it (even by QCD's developer ). Could even be a worthy replacement for Winamp at the next GUIO (hint hint )

DigitalCHET, you took the words out of my mouth - Practically every entry I saw at GUIO (I was watching them all, even Winamp ) was of impressive quality and each deserved to win. But not everyone could win, and the ones that did weren't exactly five-minute jobs but the best of the best The winners of each category deserve an ovation, but every entrant that made the decision hell for the winners deserves to be applauded for both raising the bar and making it very competitive

WhiteFurr, I know the feeling - In the past three weeks I must have seen eleven ATI-nVidia war threads in one non-gaming forum alone (nine by the same ATI fan boy FFS >). These things happen, which makes the behaviour of the majority in GUIO even more impressive.

Kyhlwch, allow me to give you a proper welcome to Stardock's skinning community. I went a similar way - First ObjectDock, then WB, then CursorXP, then DX2 As for the browsers, I'll say hell yeah to them - FIREFOX FOR THE NEXT GUIO

Nighttrain2002, nice metaphor

Beesley, that class is why I'm always sticking around here (despite going back to StyleXP & ThemeXP now and then )

sculver, nice way of putting it - It's the matter of the bar being raised far more than that of WinCustomize which makes the GUIO such a success. Then again, it could also be the fact that it's only every other year - Too often and it gets old

JerryHat, nice idea - There's a number of 16-18 YO exam boards in the UK that use the term Olympiad for their science competitions (Physics Olympiad, etc), so I doubt that's copyrighted

To every person who either participated or judged, thank you on making the GUIO such a pleasure to watch There's no doubt that the GUIO raised the bar on its highlighted areas to higher than ever before. And I predict that it's because of the GUIO that the quality of skins in WinCustomise, DeviantArt etc will be raised even more afterwards

Can't wait for the next GUIO, whatever name it'll be under
Reply #33 Top
Alexan, nicely said and I like that you responded to just about every post on this thread... Cool! The WC community is really great and I am continually amazed at the creativity here. Thanks for the tip on quinnware.com. I'll give it try.

Regards,
Cruiser
Reply #34 Top
Thanks Brad, I think most of us can appreciate the work you do here and at guio it's obvious you put a lot a thought into what you do for so very little in return...an honorary gold medal to you!