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I hate to be Simon but...

I hate to be Simon but...

You visit most sites that have themes and skins and you'll notice that have a gazillion wallpapers. You come here and you see fewer than 3000. Why is that? It's because we reject 9 out of 10 submissions.

Now, most of the moderators here are nice. They send out often lengthy emails to the authors of these wallpapers explaining why they were rejected. In return, they regularly get flamed, personal attacks and occasionally threatened.

I'm not nice. I don't send moderator notices. I'm the "Simon" from American Idol. I don't like spending time on a thoughtful email to have the author resond by attacking me. I just delete them. Sorry. I know that lots of these wallpapers are pretty good that get rejected. I know that many people spent many hours on these wallpapers. But there are dozens of sites that you can submit them too. Our goal here is to keep the number low. So that it's the "best of the best". Sure, occasionally something mediocre will get through and we are biased in favor of WALLPAPERS as opposed to works of art. But in general we try to ensure that the wallpaper section is kept as small as possible.

I know this upsets some people based on the emails that our poor VOLUNTEER moderators get. But I'm going to recommend that moderation emails become rare. It's just too discouraging for our VOLUNTEER moderators to get trashed in email for trying to gently tell them why their wallpaper didn't come up. Wallpapers that don't meet our criteria will simply be deleted. We hope you understand that with hundreds of wallpapers submitted every few days that this is the only way to reasonably get through them and provide a fair way for everyone.
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Reply #76 Top
Jafo,

So in essence what you are saying is that the wallpapers here at Wincustomize reflect the tastes and likes of its Admin/Moderators. With the exception of those distinguished members who earned the right to post without moderation. This is absolute and unequivocal.

What ever happened to the author/artist, after all it was his/her expressions that created the art. So as an author, I have to keep in mind your likes and dislikes while creating my abstract art wallpaper. How quaint. I can see it now. Lets take 'Beauty' (it's an abstract in its own right) I am going to create a beautiful wallpaper. I know that it is beautiful because I can feel it as I create. The more I see of it the more beautiful it becomes... But wait a minute, will the admin/moderator at WC think it's beautiful? Hmmmmmmmmm...

In answer to your query. I don't feel that I was irate in my first post and you should not assume that it was a response to a rejection. I do recommend that you make available any information which describes the criteria for wallpapers to be submitted.
Reply #77 Top
ok... i have to take back my previous statement. it was made before i had read the entire thread.

after reading through all of the statements, i've heard an admin member mention more than once that he didn't care about wallpapers, and that there is favoritism here with regards to the moderation of art.

i'm fairly new at all this, and wallpapers are the only way for me to fulfill my artistic "appetites", if you will. hell, i actually thought i was sharing something meaningful. however, i stumbled on to this sight basically by accident, and didn't realize it was a skinners site. sorry.

as for the arguments regarding favoritism... i think most of that is pretty childish. if your passing someones mediocre art because they're popular artists, or because they're a "buddy", well, that's just wrong.

and as for giving someone a free pass around any moderation whatsoever based on past works. well, i don't think even the best artist can say every piece they've ever turned out is "stellar"...

either way, i think this is the wrong place for me. i'm out.
Reply #78 Top
Again: No one gets by because they are a 'buddy'. Moderators use their own judgement as to whether something is good or not. We do the best we can. If this is unsufficient for someone, they can submit their stuff elsewhere. The results speak for themselves - no website on earth gets more wallpaper downloads per day than wincustomize (except maybe webshots but that is a different thing entirely).

Bringing it all around, it's like American Idol. The judges determine who is a good performer based on their own considerable experience. Those who are rejected are often rather irate. The same is true here.

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Reply #79 Top
2 cents from an ordinary citizen

Ive been browsing around in the wallpaper section...more extensively than I've done so in a long time. I saw a good number of wallpapers that dont suite my taste and a good number of them that look like Bryce did a fair amount of the work. But what I also saw was, for the most part a VERY IMPRESSIVE WALLPAPER GALLERY. Win customize should be proud to have such a gallery. I think a lot of these wallpapers could compliment any number of the windowblinds skins. Even the ones I dont particularly care for (just because I dont like them, doesn't mean they're not good) And I have not seen such a wonderful collection anywhere else on the web as I see here. I think you should be as selective (but Fair) as you need to be, but I think It would be a darn shame if the wallpaper section was eliminated. I aree with the moderation procedure . Im sure its very necessary and Im sorry to hear that some of the moderaters are getting flamed. I think It's a down right shame that there are some who take such offense to a rejection and then try to get even by evil words. My rejections only made me strive to do better, and Im willing to bet that you would find that most people probably feel the same. If the wallpapers were eliminated, I would see it as a great loss to the value and wonderfulness of this site .
Reply #80 Top
With the better part of a million registered members, all with the potential to upload submissions, eg, walls, it is clear that the VAST majority of walls submitted go through 'moderation' and the few who don't make up a fair proportion of the 'better' works on this site.
Sure, some walls by the more proliffic unmoderated uploaders are less than their best, but by and large, are significantly of higher standard than many that are rejected.
It is only 'common decency' NOT to post examples of 'poor submissions' but you might like to take a certain infamous 'Still Lost In Bryceworld' as a good indicator of what NOT to submit.
I'm still trying to include ALL the deadly graphic sins that distinguish the bad from the not bad......I have a few more to go yet....
Reply #81 Top
In response to skinner Weaksid:
>To be honest. Maybe it worked fine for them and it was their vision. And 10 to 1
>they probably worked many hours on it also. The fact is, if you don't like it and
>can't use it. Don't download it. Just avoid it and leave it alone. But if you have
>a suggestion. Put it in the comments in a nice way. So the next time they make
>something. They know what people want and make them better. There is always a
>beginning with everybody. Maybe that was their first. My other point is. If you
>don't like it also, make your own. We would be glad to see what you can come
>up with.

since you did not read my first post I will quote it for you:
>To all you who will say be quiet unless I can do better: maybe I can or can't, I
>don't have the time to design the more time consuming skins such as WB, which is
>why I PAY for OD and WC. As a PAYING customer I expect to see better results. When
>I look at the skin libraries I don't want to see skins that hurt my eyes or skins
>that are not useable. If you need to get a non volunteer staff in order to
>accomplish this that's fine. I would be more than willing to pay 40 or 50 dollars
>for a subscription to WC instead of 20 if you could filter out the non useable skins.

In addition I will add, I don't care how long they worked on it. I paid money to subscribe to a site and now as a paying customer I want to not see ugly skins it's as simple as that. If you were to pay money for a painting that sucked would you say "oh no big deal its just their first painting." You probably just wouldn't pay for it in the first place. Well, when I subscribe there were great skins on here and I thought that would continue so maybe it's my fault for assuming.
Reply #82 Top
I would gladly pay a nice fee to have full-time skinners working for the site, making great stuff. Course I have no idea what kind of rate you'd have to charge for this, if its to high, then I doubt its feasible, as I wouldn't pay more than 40 or 50.00 a year.
Reply #83 Top
E-tin is the example of what I saw as a negative point when it comes to a subscription of this site. Remember the money was raised amongst the loyal visitors to keep this site running. I like to make skins, as a hobby, and some people make them for earning a living. A lot of people like me like to share what we make. E-tin, you can pay about $10 for every skin released by skinstudio, those are professional skins. As a response to a link to my skin in one of your comments, your eyes are different than mine, your monitor is in a different place than mine. You have the ability to download all the skins in WC's library because of your membership. You have the power to delete the skins from your disk.
Reply #84 Top
e-tin...
Generally, those skins which 'most' consider less 'good' will receive a lower 'rating', and you have the ability to filter by ratings, thus never having to 'hurt your eyes' at all.
The 'moderation' that IS done is also an eye-saving enterprise....

Now, regarding 'volunteers' and 'payment', I'm certain the moderators/admins would LOVE to be paid...but as with my other 'volunteer' work - FISA/FIA/FIM/CAMS MOtor Racing Official, generally, the expertise and experience gained by such volunteers makes any 'legitimate, equitable' payment unaffordable...even by such entities as Formula One. I have 23 years experience with F1,[ and similarly, 6 years plus, with Skinning, and just on 30 years in professional graphic life].
Realistically, we are not in the game of pleasing one specific paying customer/subscriber, but rather pleasing as many of them as reasonably possible.
To me, a paying/subscribing skinner whose work 'may' be below par has more right to its inclusion than a paying/subscribing potential recipient has to its not being included...

Reply #85 Top
I am always surprised (I don't know why) by the lack of tact in many of the postings on this and other boards. Naming names is just rude. So is flaming someone trying to do an overwhelming job as a volunteer, like our moderators. I work full time for a failing Telecom giant (can you guess?) and I also operate a screen printing business part time in addition to creating gourmet meals for a family of 7. I don't have time to do the moderation. I also don't have time to create original skins. And I definitely don't have time to sort through thousands of files in search of a matching wall for a new skin that I adore.
Because of this, I appreciate the people who take the time to create both good and bad (IMHO) skins and walls, and I definitely appreciate the people who sort them out.
Now the meat...
Since there is no formal set of guidelines, per se, for wallpapers, why not use this handy forum for a discussion of things you look for in a wallpaper. I mean this not only for the moderators, but other citizens as well. I would suggest being creative rather than negative where possible. Here is my criteria:

1. Walls should be decorative and complement either specific color schemes or skins. Including references to those skins, schemes, or even compatible RGB settings is helpful.
2. Busy is not better. I use walls at work where I am unable to install OD and I don't have time to relocate my icons everytime I log on. I need the calm area to the left side for them. Also, too much visual activity distracts from my chores.
3. Photographs without additional creativity are not of interest.

Well, what do you think? Any other ideas?
I'll be lurking as usual!
Reply #86 Top
Graffixalley...
Those three criteria set the basis for what a 'wall' is and whether it is likely to be approved.
A few years ago, at the peak of the World's most 'pivotal' or 'significant' skinning site at the time [skinz.org], a creature called 'moderation' was installed to keep a lid on the flood of wall submissions to a site whose whole existance revolved around 'skinning' and many discussions/arguments ensued as to whether 'walls' were, infact 'skinning' at all.
Here at Wincustomize.com, we believe they are a viable and significant adjunct to GUI skinning and are therefore hosted.
But, as with skinz.org before us, the use of 'moderation' has enabled reasonable focus to remain on the other 'sections' because the 'wall-flood' is tapped with an input valve.

Skinz.org had a single 'moderator' [_shoggot_], whereas here, we have several, which is somewhat more 'democratic'...[I may think 'no', but others may think 'yes', so it's approved].

If and when a wall submission is approved, it ends up on a very high-profile site, which, we believe, can be credited in part to the methods/restrictions that ARE imposed.

There 'may' be some 'less-good' works, but we are reasonably free of actual 'dross', something that cannot always be said for many other sites.

It's important to add that when Dan [Shog] was doing his bit on skinz, skinning popularity and subsequent wall submissions was/were significantly less than at present....but I am certain Shog copped a lot of flak, even then.

The following is the concept of 'moderation' as penned by _Shoggot_ , back in the days of skinz.org.
It's something to read, to help understand 'What It's All About, Alfie'...

MODERATION

"A little wine, for thy stomach's sake..."
--I forgot who said it.

1) What is Moderation?
At skinz.org, one section is "moderated" - wallpapers. To sum up what this
"moderation" is: it's a culling of submitted wallpapers, separating the best from the rest
and posting the best to the permanent archive.

2) Why Moderation at all?
When the wallpaper section was first added, there was no moderation. The wallpaper
section grew quickly - and we soon found that the wallpapers, on average, were terrible. We
were getting complaints left and right about the agonies of wading through hundreds of
wallpapers to find one good one. So, as an (at the time) temporary experiment, we started
moderating wallpaper submissions, letting only the best through. The watchword for the
section became "the best of the best" -- we feel that we offer something which you can't
find in wallpaper sections elsewhere, quality over quantity.

3) My wallpaper was Moderated. Does that mean you think it sucks?
No. It might well be good; it could even be very good. However, remember that what
gets in is what we feel to be "the best of the best" - very good doesn't equal best.
There is a small possiblity that it did, in fact, suck - which is part of the
reason why we just say "moderated" - we don't want to discourage you from trying again.

4) Why do the rejections just say "Moderated"? I want a full critique.
If there's something obvious & specific which could be done quickly to make the
wallpaper suitable for acceptance, I'll probably write that in the rejection. The rest
I can't figure out what would be required to make it in. Also, there are about 60+
wallpapers submitted per day - writing a critique for each would require me quitting my
day job. Not to mention, a critique is not always truly desired (even by those who ask for
one!); a critique can be a harsh and cold-blooded thing. I personally value them; I have
people who will look at my work and bluntly tell me what precisely sucks about it. I live
for this; it's what allows me to improve. Some people don't enjoy hearing that their work
sucks, however.

5) Who does the moderation? And why?
At the moment, primarily me, that is, shoggot. Sort of by default; I think the
others let me do most of the wallpaper moderations to keep the section somewhat consistent.

6) And what makes you think you're qualified to moderate my work?
The fact that you submitted it to a site which I moderate Seriously though, you
may well be a better artist than I; many, many are. That doesn't mean I won't have an
opinion of your work.
I've been in the visual arts biz for years; I attended a high school for the arts,
where visual arts was 5 hours a day of the curriculum, from 1PM to 6PM; I went to Minneapolis
College of Art & Design, where I pursued a Fine Arts degree; and have been practicing my
craft ever since. I started with computer graphics in 1984 on a Mac Plus, and have been
involved with computer graphics ever since.
Does that make me qualified? Dunno. Don't care. I approach every submitted wallpaper
the same way; I ignore who the artist is, what they named the wallpaper, what their comments
on it are, and just look at the piece itself.

7) What about letting the moderation be done by the public?
We tried this. The response was overwhelmingly negative. People were scared that
their online reputations would make others reject their wallpapers; people were afraid that
comments left on the wallpapers of others would result in retaliation; people were afraid
that the general public wouldn't understand their artwork, and would reject it for not
being lowbrow enough.
The sad fact is, that with public moderation, the chances of an Insane Clown Posse
wallpaper getting high marks and a misery_in_motion wallpaper getting rejected are all too
real. Do any of the artists want to be put in a situation where the potential viewing of
their work is controlled by Insane Clown Posse fans? I hope not.

I still don't think skinz.org should moderate.
Ok, think of it this way.
We're a gallery, much like a physical art gallery you might pass on the street.
If you walk into a physical gallery, is there any guarantee that they will give
you a show (IE, display your work)? No. The gallery director has to look at your work
and decide whether or not he wants to show your work. If he does, great; you're one of the
few. If not, you go home, and try to improve your work. build up your portfolio, and try
again.
We operate in this exact fashion. We also aren't your only avenue to get your work
shown; just as we are like a physical gallery, there are other galleries which you can
show your work to; some aren't as demanding. In the real world, there are also galleries
where you can pay to have your work shown; in this same fashion, you can get webspace of
your own and display your work there.

9) Ok, so what defines what gets in and what doesn't? What's the criteria?
I've occassionaly posted very rules of thumb as to what gets in and what doesn't.
I never like doing this; they come across as hard and fast rules, which they very
specifically are -not- meant to be. All rules can be broken. More on breaking the rules
later.
Here, begrudgingly, is a rough list of no-no's. There is no list of yes-yes's;
my concept of what's good is too far-ranging to define. There are some things which initially
strike me as bad, however.

a) Poser. I'm very curious why people think slapping a poser head or body into a
wallpaper can make it good; all it seems to do usually is make the wallpaper look like a
hundred others which have the exact same head or body. We all know the default Poser male
and female models by heart now; move on. There are photos in free-use archives aplenty if
you aren't good at figure drawing. If for some reason you need a metallic figure, try grey-
scaling & then solarizing a regualr human in a photo.

b) Bryce. Yes, it's a full-bore 3d app; but only kinda. It comes with presets and
wizards to allow you to make a quickie landscape in no time flat. If it had the ability
to accept commandline input, I could write a .bat file to make random landscapes at the rate
of one every five minutes. Just because it's photorealistic, it isn't necessarily good art.

c) Chromed 3D primitives. Again, I can crank out (you can too, play with Bryce for
5 minutes and you'll understand) a new wallpaper every five minutes which features a photo-
realistic landscape with a floating or buried chromed 3D primitive. It gets boring very
quickly.

d) Large text. My thinking is, if you need to spell out for the viewer what they
should be thinking when they look at your wallpaper, you're doing something wrong. This is
a no-no which I frequently allow to be violated, but I think in most cases where I allow
big text, the text is -not- the central focus of the piece.

e) Binary. Yes, we get it, it's computer graphics. Try to resist the urge to fill
your background with one's and zero's. It's been done, the horse is dead already.

f) Asian text. Yes, we get it already. This falls under the combined aegis of Large
Text and Binary; resist the urge, if the only way you could come up with to make your
wallpaper look cool was to add a huge kanji character in the middle, you're doing something
wrong.
g) Difference Clouds. Yes, it produces a neat-o smoke effect. It can be used to great
effect in textures. Used as the primary focus, it stinks. Use it as a tool, not as art in
and of itself. The computer did that, not you, don't try to take the credit.

h) Swirlies. I've never understood why some people think applying a swirl filter to
any image makes it look cooler; it just makes it look like a slurpee viewed from above.

i) Lightning. It's -incredibly- hard to produce realistic lightning. I've yet to see
it done well.

j) Lighting Effects / Emboss / Crackle. Adding these to an image probably won't help
you. If the image was interesting before the effect, submit it. If it took the effect to make
it interesting, it probably -isn't- interesting.

k) "Filter Frenzies". This describes you, late at night, starting with a blank canvas
(or maybe you've added a few simple brush strokes), and applying filter after filter after
filter, until more or less totally by chance, you arrive at something which you think looks
cool. Chances are you're wrong; it'll just look like a mish-mash of filters. A good thing
to practice is to have an image in mind -before- you approach the canvas, and then attempt to
make that image appear on the canvas. It's harder, yes, but it'll help you develop as an
artist.

l) Signatures & URL's. It's your work, yes. You want to advertise your website, I
can understand that. Just please, please, don't put the sig & url in a 36pt font w/ a high
contrast color; would you want to look at my name & URL every time you looked at your
desktop? Didn't think so. And -don't assume that since it's on the bottom, it'll be covered
by the taskbar; very many users of this site don't -have- taskbars.
My suggestions: g'head & sign & url 'em, 12pt font or less, & put the sig & url on
a new layer & drop its opacity to about 30% or less. It'll still be readable, but it won't
overpower the piece. If your concern is only for copyright protection, try watermarking;
no noticeable degradation of image, nothing visible, but it holds up in court a lot better
than a simple sig on the bottom which can be altered oh-so-easily.

m) Copyrighted & Trademarked images. Ok, this one's a guarantee; use 'em & it won't
get in.

n) Anime, Comic-Book art. Falls under the copyright / trademark aegis.

o) Spacescapes. Falls under the Bryce landscape aegis.

These rules can be, and are, violated often. If you do something really novel which
happens to include some of the no-no's, it might get in. These are only guidelines.
It doesn't mean that you're guaranteed to get in if you -aren't- violating any of
the no-no's.

10) You haven't accepted any of my work, I think you have a bias against me.
Unless your name is Anna Brogan, wrong. I've judged your work on a piece-by-piece
basis, just like anyone else's.

11) You accepted two of my pieces, then rejected the next five. What's up with that?
I liked your first two a lot, the rest not-so-much. It isn't personal. Try again.

12) Any parting comments?
No. If I come up with more, I'll add it. Go create something. Impress me!
Reply #87 Top
"I don't care how long they worked on it. I paid money to subscribe to a site and now as a paying customer I want to not see ugly skins it's as simple as that. If you were to pay money for a painting that sucked would you say "oh no big deal its just their first painting." You probably just wouldn't pay for it in the first place. Well, when I subscribe there were great skins on here and I thought that would continue so maybe it's my fault for assuming." - e-tin

So let me get this straight. The fact that you're paying to use this site means that every single thing available from it has to be to your taste? That has to be some of the most selfish self-important rubbish I've ever heard.

If you pay to enter an art gallery, do you complain loudly when a particular painting doesn't meet your high standards? If you buy an album and you don't like one of the tracks as much as the rest, do you call the record company and demand that they release a special version without that track, and give it to you for no extra charge? Of course you don't. You expect to get a little rough with the smooth.

The fact that you're paying to have unlimited downloads from this site doesn't give you the right to demand a site where every single thing you see meets your standards. Is it really so difficult to skip past a skin you don't like and move on to the next? Does doing so take such a huge time out of your day? The fact is, you're not paying for the quality of the content, you're paying for the ability to download it.

Now just because the wallpapers are being moderated doesn't mean there aren't plenty that get through that aren't to every single paying member's tastes. The moderation just cuts down on the low to medium quality stuff, so that the ratio of good to bad is much higher. If all wallpapers were allowed through, then it would be almost impossible to find a decent one in the library without spending hours wading through poor quality images. This doesn't even begin to compare with skipping past the occasional brightly coloured skin because it's not to your tastes.
Reply #88 Top
If e-tins sets his rating filter to say 8 or 9 then only the top rated skins will be shown.
Reply #89 Top
I agree with grayhaze, but I am sorry that I have to disagree with you Frogboy.

The rattings are not accurate system, someone with a bad taste gives a low rate to a wonderful work or the opposite and don't forget that majority of the works here, are having usally 1 or 2 votes!

The worse films I ever saw they did have good ratings from some "specialists" and the opposite
I am sure that you know well what I am talking about
Reply #90 Top
grayhaze, if you would have read my original posts I just said I want something which is usable. I also said I would be willing to pay more if they would moderate out the skins which are not usable. For the love of god I didn't say everything should be catered to my taste I just said I want usable I pointed out two skins which aren't. Maybe read ALL the posts somebody made on a subject before you tell them off next time, not just quote one. There is no way you could use those two skins I pointed out on a pc where you are trying to get productive work done, it's just not possible. You have to strain your eyes to even read what the title bar says. There is a difference between those which I like and skins which are just plain unusable.

Also, I wasn't picking on anybody it was the first two I found so don't take such offense Lecrayon, if you don't want your stuff judged don't upload it. I was not rude or mean in any way. I did not tell you it sucked or was horrible I pointed out that I can not use it because I can't read what the title bar says. I tried some different settings on my monitor and the title bar stays unreadable. I even tried all the different color settings (5000K, 6500K, 9300K). My eyes are not perfect but I have about 20/40 vision and I'm definitely not color blind so I'm not sure what to tell you.

I am sorry for stating my views on the subject, I thought that was what this box was for. I did not know a bunch of people would get so mad. I have not seen anybody point out in any way how what I said is not a valid point. Just cause I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm wrong and if I am you could point out why. I ask for "usable" and I get told off about how I am not going to "like" everything and things about "taste" and opinion. I use things all the time which I don't neccesarily like. If it's usable and can get the job done I can deal with it. Not being able to read the title bar is not an option. Again I apologize for posting I will just keep my views to myself next time.
Reply #91 Top
I did actually read your posts before e-tin, and that changes absolutely nothing. My point about taste still stands. Just because you don't consider a particular skin useable, that doesn't mean everyone will share your opinion.

As an interface designer myself, I agree that there are certain basic principles that need to be adhered to in order for an interface to be useable. Your point about small fonts however doesn't come under those principles. Did you consider that perhaps you're running your desktop at a much higher resolution than those skins were developed for? Perhaps they were designed on or with a laptop in mind.

So I'll restate my point. Just because you don't consider a particular skin worthwhile, that doesn't mean someone else will feel the same way.
Reply #92 Top
A few of the windowblinds skins that I have made, AND USE have no window title at all.
I have to rely on the icon and memory to know where/what I'm at.

Unusable? Probably for some.....maybe even many.

But I'm happy using it.

Ain't no case of dodgey fonts or colour resolutions/depths.....there's just no damn title at all....
Reply #93 Top
I appreciate the moderators here, i think i have uploaded 20+ walls here, about 6 of which have been rejected. This is a SKINNING site, im just a wallpaper maker i dont mean anything. I just make things that look cool on ur desktop its the ppl who make the WB skins i have the repect for, i have horribly attempted to make a few, but they always look really cheap

Reply #94 Top
Thank you for posting the criteria, Jafo.

By this post I will assume that WC has adopted the criteria and rules that were implemented on the (now defunct) skinz.org site.

I must say that is quite an impressive criteria, and should work well here at WC. However, one thing still bothers me. Shoggot had quite impressive credentials to back him up as moderator at skinz.org. May I be so bold as to ask what credentials the moderators at WC have?
Reply #95 Top
Buko22...
I'm not going to reveal the life history of each and every Moderator...but mine goes someting like this.

Born in '54...by '60 I was very into 'drawing'.
1972 I started studying Architecture at RMIT [Melbourne], consistently scoring top 'marks' in Life-Drawing and Rendering [perspectives] in particular. '73 was my first 'PJ' [private job], but by '74 I was full-time in the workforce, with night-school as well. Been in Architecture Professionally for about 30 years.
First digital graphics was pretty ordinary...on a CBM64....but Win3.11 had me using PSP3...that was '94 or '95.
Discovered LiteSTEP before skinz.org existed...the only site around was Customize.org. First skinning was eFX, and WinAMP, then Windowblinds....pre Version 1.
I've skinned or themed for 'most' of the proggies out there that can be.
Most of my digital graphics work is not suitable for wallpapers here at Wincustomize so it's pointless looking at what I have here...[apart from Still Lost In Bryceworld, of course.... ].

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/977064

Drawn by me, 1972, aged 18...conte pencil....

30 years of professional critical argument with Councils, Planners, Architects, etc has helped provide an understanding of aesthetics in form and function ....
Reply #96 Top
E-tin, just one remark, I made the skin on a screensize of 1280 x 1024 and the dpi settings on 140...that's probably a setting no one uses. The toolbar is readable I think on 120dpi and the title bar doesn't change it's size whatever setting you use. However the size of the font of the titlebar is a normal size, the width is only less than what you are used to. I would agree with you that the displayed fontcolour of the workbars (rightclick on taskbar) is unreadable, but so far I have found no settings that could only effect the colours on the workbar font without mucking up a whole of other fontcolours. It would have been nice if you put your findings in the comment box of the skin...I don't feel offended by your comments but I always find it weird when a comment pops up like yours and then find nothing in the commentary box.
Reply #97 Top
With the toolbar I meant menubar..So many bars
Reply #98 Top
Jafo

I was well aware of your impeccable credentials and should have stated that before. Sorry. If most of the remaining moderators have similar credentials, then I'm sure WC's wallpaper section will host only the "best of the best"
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I think our moderation of walls has been pretty good. It's rare that I see one that I would disagree with the decision. Whenever I have it's been such a marginal amount I would pass it with that it's not worth further discusion. In almost every case 'questionable' pieces become a group decision with many of us discussing our opinions and voting on its fate.

I've been away for a few months and only just returned a few days ago. This puts me at a disadvantage with discussions about current issues. I'm still trying to figure out who all these new people are and learn all the site changes. (plus, I'm wondering what Object Dock is... )

Not sending an email when a piece is rejected feels a little weird to me. I never minded giving as much communication as I could. I did get some pretty foul responses but not so often it was a problem. Most of the mail I got from rejection notices was reasonable and just wanted more information as to why their piece didn't get accepted. I answered every email I got wether it was polite or not.

I can certainly understand the reason for this decision. It will make our job faster and it should stop the flames and attacks that have apparently become more common lately. I just hope it doesn't cause more confusion for the artists who submit their work here. We are grateful for every piece that gets submitted. We wish it were possible to post them all (well, most of them maybe) but our task with walls is to keep the library at a manageable size.

No favoritism happens from what I've seen and no judgement comes from any reason other than the same aesthetic and functionality rules we apply to all submissions. It's too much to ask that we be perfect or that we all agree all the time. That would be a foolhardy expectation.

As for whether we are qualified to be doing this, I personally feel like we have an incredible group of moderators. Enough diversity of tastes and experience to be unbiased towards any particular school of thought and certainly mature and experienced enough to make thoughtful decisions.

All of us are doing this because we love this site, this community and the art of customizing Windows. All the admins each have years of experience with skinning and skinning sites. I would say don't worry about the qualifications, they were taken into account before the job was offered. Just be glad that the group that does the daily chores here are so diverse and had gained the respect of the community long before they gained a position at Wincustomize.

With the number of good minds and hearts at work here, we're bound to get a lot of things right...

even if it ain't perfect