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America prepares for war...

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Some people, mostly outside the United States believe that the US response is going to be a single or brief set of air strikes against some designated enemy. That is not the case.

There won't just be a strike. The United States is mobilizing for war as we speak. The government just activated the reserves today. There won't be a single strike, it is going to be a prolonged campaign that will likely take years.

Colin Powell yesterday basically set up the way it's going to work. Countries with terrorist training camps in them will be approached to eliminate the problem themselves. If they do not, the US will 1) Take care of the problem for them and 2) Move to replace the government with one more civilized.

I don't think people outside the US have grasped that the United States is not viewing this as a law enforcement problem, it is viewing this as a war. We're not talking some air strikes, we're talking sending in ground troops to either blockade or invade nation states that harbor terrorists.

And the nations that may have US and international invervention (remember, this isn't the US versus the world, this is the world versus a handful of rogue nations who aid and harbor terrorists) would be conquered and have their governments replaced much as what we done with Japan and Germany.

One foreign policy expert yesterday pointed out that the only way to win for the long term is to change the cultures of this countries. To de-fanatacize them. When the US occupied Japan and Germany, it turned them into peaceful countries right down to the culture.

If they had had the Internet in 1941, I doubt anyone here would guess that years later, Japan would have Japan Disney and Mickey Mouse being their favorite cartoon character. Japan Disney does more business than Disney World in Florida. Cocacola is their favorite soft drink. American pop stars are their favorite musicians.

This is what is being discussed. The only way to win this in the long haul is for us to turn these enemies of the United States into us. Us being Western Europeans/Americans.

And before you think such plans absurd or extreme, I merely point to history where it is exactly how the Allies handled World War II. We turned the Japanese and Germans into us. And the people are happier for it.

And again, before someone points out that one cannot turn these fanatics into us. Read up on Nazism. You can't get much more fanatical than the Hitler youth was.

These countries in the Middle east will have to either abolish terrorism on their own or they will face the international community's determination to forever eliminate not just the terrorists but the culture that breeds terrorism. Don't think it can't be done, it's been done before when it was far more daunting to do so.
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Nothing will come out unless you put some pressure on your government.

It did come out what happened at Pearl Harbor, so what? Did anything change? Most americans don't know even today that the attack was known to happen and it was used just to get the people angry against Japan and ask their military to enter the war. Do you think that they have higher morale standards today?
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
I've seen two different explanations from the CIA as to why the tip went unheeded. The first was "we get these kind of reports all the time" (which British intelligence emphaticly said was not true... not through the channel from which this was delivered). If this were true and they just didn't take it seriously, George Tenet should resign as Director.
(This next warning was from the Mossad a month ago, delivered personaly in Washington. The other warnings with specific details of the attack came in the last two weeks but all the stories have been removed)
From the Jerusalem Post: http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2001/09/17/News/News.34954.html

A US administration official told the paper that it was "quite credible" that the CIA did not heed the Mossad warning: "It has a history of being over-cautious about Israeli information." But the official noted that "if this is true, then the refusal to take it seriously will mean heads will roll."

In a later explanation which was in a now removed story from the BBC the CIA claimed they "misinterpreted" the warmnings and thought they were refferring to the assasination of Gen. Masood in Afganistan. If this is true George Tenet should resign as Director.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dick Cheney's response to a related question in an "approved" transcript from NBC:
MR. RUSSERT: The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said this is a failure of great dimension in terms of intelligence. Will George Tenet remain as director of the CIA?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: I think George clearly should remain as director of the CIA. I think — I’ve had great confidence in him. I’ve watched him operate now and worked closely with him for the last seven or eight months. I think he and his people do superb work for us. And I think it would be a tragedy if somehow we were to go back now in the search for scapegoats and say that George Tenet or any other official ought to be eliminated at this point. I don’t think you can say that.

Every story I've read regarding the CIA in the last few days has been removed from their respective websites. Quite a feat... I think I should forget this whole question. I'm sorry I brought it up...
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
Mariuss, as someone who has spent some years studying World War II in detail, let me tell you that your conspiracy comments are out of line. The United States didn't know before hand that Pear Harbor was going to be attacked.
Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
A documented, credible account about the Pearl Harbour myth, compiled by ibiblio.org (a collaboration of the center for the public domain and unc-ch): http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/myths/index.html

A little exerpt from the introduction:

"Few events in the history of the United States have generated as much controversy as the attack on Pearl Harbor.

Rumors abounded during the war, and the release of the Congressional Investigation Report on July 26, 1946, while containing information that would scotch most of them, did not end the speculations. Part of the problem with the Pearl Harbor Attack Investigation Report (PHA for short) was that it was in 40 parts bound in about 23 volumes. Extracting the answers to the bizarre stories that ran rampant was a daunting task for even the most serious researcher.

Today, however, with the aid of computer searching, we can locate information about events and people that have been buried in stacks and university attics for decades. Of course, no one will be able to convince the die-hard Roosevelt-haters that he didn't arrange, or at least allow, the attack, but for those of us who simply want the answers to questions such as "Why didn't the Opana Point radar-contact report reach Adm. Kimmel?", the testimonies of the people involved will illuminate the situation in a most satifactory manner.

Each link below will take you to a document which explains why a particular myth is either wholly false or a distortion of the facts. We will be adding more myths as time permits, but do write us with your favorite if you don't see it on the list. We'll check the record and provide what documents are available on that topic in the timeliest manner possible."

In short, the idea that the Pearl Harbour attack was know is a myth.