yep its true though, i tend to play on smaller maps, so it my give the AI to much of a WR advantage on the larger maps 

Thanks der_donnervogel for the replay. will watch it later when i get back home. 

 

@maccilia, i will try to do a 1v3, maybe even a 1v5 if i win, in smaller maps and see if i'd win .

i realised that you don't prioritize hp when vs-ing AI . instead, you focus on damage / mana instead . why is this so ?

and do you think you can produce the same results in a larger map e.g. zikurat ? in small maps, i feel that it's easier to help your teammates when killing . all they need is an extra spit to help them take the enemy down . 

and won't didn't you buy creep upgrades when you had the chance to ? are they not of any importance ? 

 

i just read kestrel's tips, and i realised that i made a mistake . it is better to buy all the creep waves in one go instead of one by one cause you're just feeding the enemy with more exp . that's why they levelled so quickly . 

 

edit: sorry for double posting 

The reason why I focus on damage/mana is because the main problem is not to survive. The main problem is that the AI does not get to far ahead of you. The AI should not get too much levels ahead and get good items long before you. The easiest way to do that is to kill the enemy AI. If you kill them you get gold, experience and deny it to the AI as the AI does not get anything of them while it is dead. Of course this play style is the easiest with such a massive damage dealer than UB is. With a Queen of Thorns this is more difficult.

I can also produce the same results at large maps. Here is an example for Mandala:

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=103415

I have also played with the UB but as I was a bit at a hurry so I tried to win the game quite quickly, so I only got 17 kills.

The reason why I do not buy the creep upgrades is that they are not that effective compared to items for yourself. For example if you buy them a bit more attack strenght then this will not make a huge difference. I usually only buy them if the enemy AI buys them. The same is true for priests and the other stuff. If you buy them one for one you give the enemey demigods extra gold and experience for killing them. If you buy them all at once and then also buy some upgrades to make them stronger you will get a massive damage increase which will make the enemies trouble as in most cases they can't counter this. Especially at the big maps where it is difficult to be everywhere to defend against the creeps. At maps where there is only one way like in Exile and Crucible buying creeps is dangerous in any case as they can easily be blocked by the enemy. In this cases I often do not buy them or only very late. I have already lost games at Exile because of buying creeps, as this allowed the AI to level that fast and buy artefacts that fast I finally lost the game.

is it possible if you get a replay of you beating a 5v5 on a big map ? 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=103553

Zikurit vs nightmare AI

Ironically enough it would be easier for you to fight against the Ai yourselves so that the Ai dont have other Ai to feed off. Just put towers on high to make it easier for you.

Oh and make sure you take Blood of the Fallen as your favour item

is it just me or does random keep giving them 2 AA regs ? 

That happened to me as well. Anyways, since you can't view a replay with mods in it, I'll try again later without them.

I think this only works good if you have your towers at high. Otherwise the AI start to kill your towers much to early if it has that a big numerical advantage. At the beginning the team members play quite ok and help to defend the towers. If you have no team you need to defend the towers yourself. This is difficult to impossible, as you have no chance if there are two or more Demigods against you. If you have some team members they may die but while they fight the enemy you can make your kills. Otherwise you are much more in danger of beeing ganked. To avoid this problem better you need to stack HP (as you already said with the BoF). This puts you more into defense as you lack more in damage capability.

I think it will depend much on the settings if it is more difficult or if it is easier to have not team.

I think also that it is important to have a Demigod that supports the own playstyle. For example I remember that the AI crushed my as UB in the beginning although I had already won a tournament as Fire Torch Bearer. Today I know that Torch Bearer is more difficult to play than a UB if you know how to play both. As most threads tells in this forums some of the Demigods are stronger than others. As the AI is sometimes dumb this even counts more against the AI. For example Oak is also very good against the AI. With the Shield you can on most maps easily sneak into the enemy base and capture important flags. As the AI is not clever in retaking flags and flag locks this can heavily be exploited for an easy wiin. An other example is Rook. There you can set up your tower farm and the AI will happily attack you there. A hybrid Rook with towers, Hammer and Boulder Roll is deadly for the AI as it has no idea of the kind of trap you can set up with such a Rook. The point is as the AI does not exploit the weaknesses fo the Demigods you can focus on your strengh. You only have to choose a Demigod that suits your play style.

so according to jager, i should try a 1v5 with towers on high ?

 

is it possible to do a 1v5 without towers on high ? or is it really impossible

 

i don't want to give myself a huge advantage over the enemy because i wouldnt be improving . should i use single player or multiplayer to improve myself ?

 

also, what happened to all my favor points ? does it have anything to do with epoch 3 ?

 

i really hate micromanaging so i guess no more generals for me ?

 

do a 1v5 replay if possible . i want to see how it goes .

 

p.s. this is the first game that i've heard that having no allies can actually help you .. >.>

multiplayer

not epoch three they can be changed manually for sp

no they have assasin builds

sry no time

 

argh .. -.- is it just me or i can't even beat a 1v3 nightmare ? i have towers on high . i can prevent them from going foward but i can't push them back -.- 

 

edit: maybe i'm not spending my money properly ? 

Do you need another replay 1 v 3?

What map?

1. AI pathing is predictable know where they are going to go

2. Stun and slow AI

3. AI will hammer your towers till low on HP have plenty of Teleports to finish them off.

I have made a replay against 3 Nightmare AI. I played with Rook, against UB, LE and QoT on Prison. Everything was normal (including towers) only the flag capture time was medium, which I think is not the normal thing. This was accidentially.

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=103653

I do not often play with Rook so I had some troubles with Boulder Roll and missed my enemy sometimes.

I thought it was necessary to play defensive. So for example I was only war rank 5 or 6 at the end of the game while the AI already was war rank 10 as I was not able to capture the flags in the center as I had to defend. On big maps it will take even more time to win, as it would be necessary to teleport more to gank and kill the AI. As it can be seen I was often, especially at the beginning in the range of my defense towers to be able to fight the AI and had to run from one side to the other do avoid that the towers were killed. That was also the reason I only took one level of Rooks towers. It is impossble to make a tower farm as you have to be everywhere to defend. On the other side I tried to improve the speed at the end so I could kill the enemy and make a quick attack as well as run back to the citadell as fast as possible.

As you can see in the replay it is possible to stay in touch to the AI level wise even if the AI had the +20% experience flag all the game as it make less kills. The only important thing is that you do not die. If you die the enemy get experience and gold and you are blocked for some time so the enemy can destroy your towers.

edit: I do not really like this 1 vs. x AI games as they are much more stress than normal 4 vs. 4 games. Basically you have to be eveywhere and it is necessary not to die. It is more like if you play against humans, you have to play much more careful.

 

there isn't a 1v3 replay if i'm not wrong . 

anyway, thanks for the extra tips . i'll try again .

yeah i find doing a 1 vs X AI = stressful . cause you have to do everything and buy everything e.g. citadel upgrades and you won't have enough money to get strong enough equipment to push the enemy back . after all, they're still earning money . 

 

edit: just watched the replay . it's funny how you can chase a demigod cross the map hoping your arrows can kill him

also, i realized that what you did was doing what you had to do, destroy the citadel . what i was doing is maxing my citadel before attacking the citadel . this is where i went wrong i guess . and you were willing to save up more to get artifacts while i spent everything whenever i had something . i was never able to get to a high amount until everything was bought . 

 

edit: yay my first 1v3 win . tell me how i can improve . i know i wasted some time waiting for my money to increase . 

 

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=103677

What I buy and if I save money for a more expensive item depends on how good I am able to perform against the enemy. As long as I can fight them I try to save money for more expensive items. If I see that I get problems I buy an other cheaper item first. At the beginning usually some cheap items are needed to be on pair with the enemy. Later in the game there are phases where you can save money for the more expensive stuff. 
I have watched it once and I saw some things that can be improved. I tell them in the sequence I remember them, not in the sequence how important they are:

• Sometimes the AI captures your portal flag or at least made your flag yellow. You seemed to ignore this for some time although you had nothing better to do than recapture it. That is bad. If your own portal flag has been captured then it has a very high priority to repcapture it as fast as possible. Otherwise the enemy creeps will put pressure on your defense towers.
• Talking about Portals. At the end of the game you have not tried to caputure the portals of the enemys. This is bad. If you have bought Catapults and later Giants it is very good to take this portals. Then your creeps will be very close to the citadel and you have more or less won the game. If you are not suprior (like I was or you were in the end) it is also very helpful to capture the enemy portal flag and then put a flag lock on it and then try to caputre the other portal flag.
• At the end you bought everything up to Catapults and then giants. Although you had enough money you did not buyed the other upgrades like armor or additional attack strenght for the creeps. When you have some spare money at the end buy that citatdel upgrades. The stronger your creeps get the better for the final attack at the citadel.
• At the end you saved to much money. Sometimes you had more than 25000 gold. In such a case I would have bought All Fathers Ring. There is no point in having 20000 or more gold but do not buy anything with it. Better buy "cheap" artefacts and replace your normal items with them. This will let you make more and faster kills so you get that gold back quickly.
• I would recomend to have at least one teleport scroll I you have a spare place. They are cheap and sometimes very helpful.
• I have never played such a Regulus build you have done. Though I am not sure if your items were always the best you could choose. For example you had no items for a long time that increased the attack speed. As you had Angelic Fury as only attack I would have recommended such items. I think also that Nature's Reckoning is no good choice. I would suggest Unbreakable Boots for the same price. There you get also HP and HP regen while the other only has some low chance of some damage.
• I am no Regulus expert but I think that there are stronger builds than yours. Mines are very powerful. I would suggest to use them. They are good to kill creeps as well as make damage to enemy demigods. As the AI stand still when attacking you you can quite easily target the AI with mines. Especially the later versions of mines make good damage. The drawback ist that your mana demand increase and you need a helm like Vlemish but it is worth I think.
• You put much gold into items to increase your HP and often made melee. This worked against these demigods but Regulus is not a good melee Demigod. With him you usually do more kind of hit and run, especially as you had fully upgraded your range skill. Against other demigods like UB you can easily get into trouble when you engage them in melee if you not have a decent level and/or item advantage.

i'll remember to recapture my portal flags if they're being captured / half way done .

I seem to have forgotten about it >.>alright then . capture enemy portal flags asap when attacking citadel .

i was saving some money for some stuffs . i think .. anyway, i should be buying cats and giants after i get all my items ? or until i get enough money to afford them ?

is all fathers ring no good ?

noted ! infact, i can use this teleport scroll to tp to my portal flag if i'm far away to recapture it

a low chance of armour ignoring damage + high attack speed = higher chance ? >.>

anyway, this build was found on demigod wikia so yeah ..

Are AA builds no good ? is having high armour good against AA builds ? what about burst damage e.g. a fire TB ? is armour good against them ?

i should be increasing my speed because i'm supposed to be a hit and run huh ? alright then . i'll buy my items accordingly to what i'm playing my DG as .

edit: uploaded my 2nd win . is it better now ?

p.s. there were a few times i stood there and did nothing . was kinda at a lost for what to do lol .

http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=103775&st=0#post6686108

This ring is good. I wanted to say with that that you first saved 26000 gold and then bought the creeps and then saved some money again until you hat 25000 again and then bought the ring. This was not that good. It would have been better to either first buy the ring and then the creeps or buy the creeps much earlier when you could afford them. The creeps are good to support the final attack or to get some time if your citadel is under pressure. Buying them somewhen in the middle of the game is not that efficient. The only exception is when the enemy also buy some creeps and you need some to be able to defend your towers.
As I wrote I never played such a Regulus build so I could be wrong there with the attack speed upgrades. I have played usually builds that used either Snipe or Mines together with Angelic Fury. Especially Mines are very helpful for a Regulus as they make good damage, can kill creep waves quickly and can slow the enemy. AFAIK such magical damage like the fire stuff of TB is not blocked by armor. You need of course some HP to counter this but Regulus will never be that good in melee like an UB for example. So do not concentrate too much on the weaknesses of a Demigod but on his strength. So try to slow the enemy and attack him from the distance. When he comes too close you can flee and when he turns you can hunt him. This is the way a Regulus is played in the best style.You should always use the items that are the best not only for the Demigod but for the style you want to play him.It is better now but there is still room to improve. For example:

• Your favor item and items did not matched good how you selected the skills of your UB. You used Staff or Renewal as your favor item but quickly skilled Ooze. This does not work very well. The main purpose of the staff is to reduce the cooldown so you can spam Spit and Foul Grasp. To be able to do this you need much mana. So you need mana items rather than HP items. There is no point in having the Staff and be out of mana most of the time. On the other hand Ooze has no cooldown and does ot use mana but it uses HP. So you need items that increase your HP regen. So it is best to either use a build with the Staff, a lot of mana and Spit and Foul Grasp that skills Ooze only in late game when you have good items or you can skill primary Ooze, stack HP items (here for example the Blood of the Fallen favor item is much better) and use the other skills only as supplement.
• Althought you got better, you still sometimes did not recaptured your flags in a reasonalbe time. For example at the beginning of the game your Valor Flag was under enemy control for quite a while. Also one of your portal flags was yellow for a while. 
• I do not know if this was a bug in the replay but it seemed you did not spent all of your skill points for many levels but always let one unassigned. If this is no bug than this is a big mistake. Of course in some situations it is good to save a point if you want to spend it at the next level as then new skills are available. Though have one spare point beginning from level 2 up to level 15 or what it was, is not good. It is better to spend the points into the skills.

Imo one of the most effective ub builds especially against the AI is the BotS build, first take the blade of the serpent favor item, when you start the game buy scalemail and banded armor and a totem of revelatioin, go cap the artifact/xp flag and then go to the fortitude lane once you cap that flag you should be lvl two you want spit and ooze rank 1 (spit first) as soon as the AI comes in range spit him, and retreat try and draw him into the toowers or a creep wave, spit every time that you can, then when you go OOM wait for the next creep wave activate bots and ooze, keep spitting rinse and repeat capping the middle fllag when possible

Skillz order:

1. spit

2. ooze

3. SAVE

4. Ooze and Spit

5. Foul Grasp

6. Save

7. Ooze and Spit

8. Inner Beast

9. Save

10. Spit and Ooze

11. Inner Beast

12.Inner Beast

13 the claw things idk name

14 SAVE

15 Spit and Acclimation

...

A quick tip

When you grasp activate ooze right after so that you can spit and AA while they are still grasped

Items:

Banded

Scaled Mail

Unbreakable Boots

Nimoth

Hauberk Of Life

Narmoth's Ring

Groffling Warplate

Godplate

Arifact Items:

Belt of the Giants

Bulwark of the Ages

Ashkandor

All Fathers

Consumables:
Carry locks and teles early game once you hit 5k+ HP start carrying a sigil and use it to either get away or get athat last kill

It depends:

Boots of Speed (you might want this to help you get around the map but health is usually better)

Yes this works good I think too. I find also Poisoned Dagger useful for that kind of build. As the UB attacks quite fast it is very likely that the slow down triggers.

okay . so i should choose my favor items accordingly to what build i wanna use .

i probably didn't notice it >< anyway, i'll be more alert next time.

probably a bug . i never left my skill points unassigned unless i'm saving them .

@maccilia, thanks for the build .

Yes that is very important. Most Favor items are only good for certain builds (or they are bad for all builds ). There are only very few Favor items that can be used more or less for any build and no one would say that is a poor decision. An example for that is the Swift Anklet. Though the Swift Anklet is a good thing for every build there are often Favor items that fit even better to a certain build. So be careful which favor item you choose. For example without the Fire Bug Fix the Swift Anklet is a good thing for a Fire TB. The reason is because with Swift Anklet and your Fire Aura you are so fast that you can always catch up to the enemy after you fired with your AA. With that fix Favor items that decrease the cooldown or increase your mana are probably better.
Try to always have a rough idea where your enemies are and what they are doing. If you do so then you will see that some enemy enters your base and therefore probably want to take a flag. Then you can decide if you want to teleport to him to gank him. If you have more important things to do or have not the HP or mana or whatever to gank him then you still know that you should take a look if some flag has been captured as soon as possible. To do this take a look what your enemies do when you have nothing to do. For example when your demigod is running towards a target, or teleport back to the citadel or whenever you have a second of spare time. You do not have to do this constantly but the more often you do this the better your overview over the situation is. So you see for example if the enemy AI want to go into your base to capture a flag or if it want to destroy a tower or if it want to kill some of your team members (e.g. when your team members are outnumbered) and so on. The better you know what is going on in the game the better your decisions what to do next will be. Only then you can decide if it is a good idea to attack the enemy base because you know most of the enemies are dead or ported back to their citadel or if they will attack your base very soon and you better defend it.

alright . remembered . when the play the game , do you zoom all the way in ? cause usually when i do a 1v3, it always ends up with a 1v2 with 1 other dg harrassing my base . in order to not die, i have to focus on my character and ignore my base . see the problem here ? but of course, i don't do 1v2 . i know that unless i know i can win, i wouldn't even try . so i'd run . but when i run, i would still look at my character instead of my minimap . is this something that i have to change ?

 

i will try to get another replay . hopefully with more improvements .

Well zooming all the way out is usually a good habit to develop. Personally i have trouble with it, cause i play a minion ereb and even with hotkeys its almost impossible in large battles for me to see whats going on, but when i'm retreating or staying behind a tower i zoom out and then back in just to check on what the other demis are doing.

If you want to play reg or rook then you MUST learn how to zoom out all the way because most of what kills rook is not running soon enough and having someone come up behind you, with reg if you take snipe then your job is to provide support to your allies on the other side of the map without dying.

Basically, its something that takes time to develop, and something you should work on.

oh and if you want more builds just check the strat forums (although I haven't put up my ereb build too lazy :D)