Obama’s magic show makes the 2016 Olympics for Chicago disappear

Don't get me wrong, I actually feel bad we are not gonna get the Olympics here in the US. Mind you I could think of a few better places than Chicago to host them but hey, Chicago is part of the US as well so.

With that said, I guess we can finally accept that when it comes to Obama and the International community, that magical, God-like, charm of his didn't quite go so well considering the US was the first country to be eliminated. Perhaps if he had his Communist friends, Ahmadinejad, Chavez and Qaddafi, voting he may have stood a better chance.

Oh well, I guess now that he's no longer focusing on the Olympics in Chicago, maybe he can get working on some really important issues, you know, like General McChrystal's request for more troops, the economy, oh and maybe he can start paying attention to the opposition against his Healthcare plan. Not that any of these were more important than getting the Olympics for Chicago.

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I'm happy for Brazil. They deserved the nomination hands down IMO. As for Obama I guess part of the reason many love him outside of the US is because he embodies the persona "don't do anything for the US because we are bad". So what did he expect? If you preach "Bad US" don't be surprised when the choir sings it back to you. Even the liberals and socialists of the world have no use for a weakling, if the US is weak they believe that it elevates them.

I did get a kick out of the concern about crime in Rio, and laughed because it's not much better in Chicago.

Again Brazil, my sincere congratulations. :thumbsup:   

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Communist friends, Ahmadinejad, Chavez and Qaddafi
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You actually had the balls of calling Ahmadinejad and Qaddafi communists?

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Not that any of these were more important than getting the Olympics for Chicago.
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Mmm, I feel that if we got the Olympics, it would've been a plus to repairing our international image. I mean it hasn't exactly been polished.

That being said, I'm laughing my ass off that you called Ahmadinejad communist. He's had countless communist leaders both in and out of his country consistantly speak harshly against him. They don't like him, period.

Sorry Charles, but you stuck your head up your tush on that one.

 

~AJ

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You actually had the balls of calling Ahmadinejad and Qaddafi communists?
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Communist, socialist, maxist, dictators. It's all the same to me. And yea, I do have some pretty big cojones.

Mmm, I feel that if we got the Olympics, it would've been a plus to repairing our international image. I mean it hasn't exactly been polished.
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As I said I would have liked it to have been here but the International Community has spoken. As to repairing our image, I would think we would have had to lose most of the competitions and win few gold medals just so they dont think we rigged the games somehow.

That being said, I'm laughing my ass off that you called Ahmadinejad communist. He's had countless communist leaders both in and out of his country consistantly speak harshly against him. They don't like him, period.
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As I told Cikomyr, communist, socialist, maxist, dictators. It's all the same to me.

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it would've been a plus to repairing our international image
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Wait a few, Obama isn't finished smashing our image as a world leader and reducing us in to the Albania of the Western Hemisphere in the eyes of the world.

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Needed Card Check for the IOC, I guess.

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Communist, socialist, maxist, dictators. It's all the same to me.
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Members of The few, the proud, the Ignorants!?

Ahmadinejad isn't a dictator, ya should know (and while Chavez is definetly unheathily leaning toward it, its not totally the case). Only total ignorance of realities (or convenient political agenda) would make you think otherwise.

And since why would you qualify Obama as "pals" with these people? Your whole post reeks of irrational partisanship.

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Wait a few, Obama isn't finished smashing our image as a world leader and reducing us in to the Albania of the Western Hemisphere in the eyes of the world.
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What, you think we saw you as "world leader" in the past 6 years?

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Wait a few, Obama isn't finished smashing our image as a world leader and reducing us in to the Albania of the Western Hemisphere in the eyes of the world.
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Oh sure, I remember where it is written that we're the leaders of the world......right, it isn't. I'm beginning to understand why foreigners get pissed off at our country - we have no right, nor do we have any responsibility to lead the world. We need to stay out of shit we don't belong in, period.

 

As I said I would have liked it to have been here but the International Community has spoken. As to repairing our image, I would think we would have had to lose most of the competitions and win few gold medals just so they dont think we rigged the games somehow.
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Mmm, I doubt it, but who knows.

As I told Cikomyr, communist, socialist, maxist, dictators. It's all the same to me.
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Well then you my friend, are not considering all the details. A socialist is not necessarily a dictator, and not all dictators are socialist (and so on so forth). It's the generalized,paint brush thinking that gets people into trouble you know.

 

 

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I'm not surprised that the IOC slapped them, especially after the arrogance of Michelle's "look what a sacrifice I made" commentary. Obama seems like he's striking out no matter where he goes... everyone is telling him no. what a total loser and complete crash and burn for the Democrats.

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Members of The few, the proud, the Ignorants!?
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Ah yes, and so the attacks begin. I guess it's pretty hard for some to prove someone wrong without  resorting to insults.

Ahmadinejad isn't a dictator, ya should know (and while Chavez is definetly unheathily leaning toward it, its not totally the case). Only total ignorance of realities (or convenient political agenda) would make you think otherwise.
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Call him what you want. dictator, sociolist, marxist, communist. I don't care. The guy is evil plain and simple. If you want specifics than go to some highly specialized blog for perfectionist. I'm not here to please your needs for daily perfection. Besides, what do you care? You only reply to these forums and you find something that seems correct but never actually comment are the topic itself. Plain and simple, if I need a grammar police, a dictionary police or an encyclopedia police, I'll call you. In the mean time, if you have nothing of value to add to the topic, keep your comments to yourself.

BTW, I am not taking away any freedom to provide unrequested replies. I am simply asking that if you gonna reply, at least make a decent effort to tackle the topic itself as well. Thank you.

And since why would you qualify Obama as "pals" with these people? Your whole post reeks of irrational partisanship.
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Perhaps you failed to read the title of my blog, here it is again:

"Just another poor Conservative Joe"

BTW, that's your opinion. Something I have no problam you having. Feel free think what you want about me. I can't always please everyone. But at least say something about the topic as oppose to turning peoples articles into a grammar debate or something of that nature.

What, you think we saw you as "world leader" in the past 6 years?
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We were not called the most powerful nation for nothing. But I can understand why you don't want to see us that way. I just hope my Gov't is smart enough to realize how stupid we are for giving large amounts of money to help a bunch of ungreatful countries who either don't need it or have a natural disaster (something sometimes blamed on the US for happening BTW). I guess Brads "Good Will" articles makes more sense now.

Mmm, I doubt it, but who knows.
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Your opinion is your own. You can doubt it but I guess we will never know now will we?

Well then you my friend, are not considering all the details. A socialist is not necessarily a dictator, and not all dictators are socialist (and so on so forth). It's the generalized,paint brush thinking that gets people into trouble you know.
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A socialist is not necessarily a dictator, but he can be. Not all dictators are socialist, but some are. Some ar marxist, some are not. The one thing I see here as a patern is that they are all evil (as far as i'm concerned) and willing to hurt their own people physically to show their control. More than anything, most of the world accepts they are not good people, plain and simple. Or are you gonna claim they are?

 

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Things are going too well to get upset by Cikomyr's personal insults. Oprah and the Obama's have imploded in Copenhagen.... David Letterman's sordid extramarital affairs have been exposed, Whoopi Goldberg has dragged the View into the gutter with her "not really rape-rape" gaffe, and far left congressmen are flipping their lids on a daily basis over the Obamacare debacle. 

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Call him what you want. dictator, sociolist, marxist, communist. I don't care. The guy is evil plain and simple. If you want specifics than go to some highly specialized blog for perfectionist. I'm not here to please your needs for daily perfection. Besides, what do you care? You only reply to these forums and you find something that seems correct but never actually comment are the topic itself. Plain and simple, if I need a grammar police, a dictionary police or an encyclopedia police, I'll call you. In the mean time, if you have nothing of value to add to the topic, keep your comments to yourself.
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Wtf? Maybe I missed it, but where did he become a grammar nazi? There's a clear difference between pretentiously correcting grammar and clearing up obvious errors of facts,etc.

Ah yes, and so the attacks begin. I guess it's pretty hard for some to prove someone wrong without resorting to insults.
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Why are you so self righteously defensive when someone "supposibly" insults you, yet you have no problem making comments that are insults to others? Not saying you continuously insult, but you have made such comments before. Where's the consideration or respect for the people you insulted?

 

Perhaps you failed to read the title of my blog, here it is again: "Just another poor Conservative Joe" BTW, that's your opinion. Something I have no problam you having. Feel free think what you want about me. I can't always please everyone. But at least say something about the topic as oppose to turning peoples articles into a grammar debate or something of that nature.
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So, if I get this straight Charles, you're willing to sacrifice...in some cases, thinking....to be a "poor conservative joe," even when some of the shit that happens is...bullshit. Why be irrational? Why fucking add to the political irrationality that pervades our country?

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Your opinion is your own. You can doubt it but I guess we will never know now will we?
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Thank you for reminding me that my opinion is my own; now, I can live life happy. ;~P Sure, that is true - we may never know.

A socialist is not necessarily a dictator, but he can be. Not all dictators are socialist, but some are. Some ar marxist, some are not. The one thing I see here as a patern is that they are all evil (as far as i'm concerned) and willing to hurt their own people physically to show their control. More than anything, most of the world accepts they are not good people, plain and simple. Or are you gonna claim they are?
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I won't deny that 99.999% of them are nuts, evil, and so on. I think it takes a special kind of meglomaniac and egotist to become a dictator. My point still stands though is that you can't just place them all in one group when there are clear distinctions and not always does one equat with another.

 

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What, you think we saw you as "world leader" in the past 6 years?
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No, just don't really give a damn what you think, you know your place in the world, deal with it. 99% of Americans don't even know the name of your leaders, why? Because it makes no difference in their lives. Where are the Canadian political blogs on JU? I'm sure their are some in Canada, but who cares in the US? Yet, plenty of foreigners come here to bitch about the US, why? Have they solved all their own domestic problems? Isn't that a good place to start. Too many player haters. It might be envy, jealousy, misinformation - pick one. I'm not trying to come off as rude, that's not my intent, but someone needs to tell it to you straight and honest in plain language.

Back to your question. Yes they did. Some in the world don't like the US, that's irrelevant, they still listen when the US speaks. Now the current administration wants a world consensus, we are witnessing what that gets us. Nobody likes the class pussy, they might ignore him, they might say hi once in a while, but he'll never be voted class president or prom king. That's life, I didn't make up the rules. Some people here want this to be so, but they don't understand that most Americans don't like losers. That is why Obama's numbers are dropping like a rock. The world is full of followers, if this administration wants to continue in this direction, someone else will fill the gap (don't worry I believe Canada is safe).

So I can't stop you from losing sleep because you like/don't like the US government (we can count up all your posts on US political issues to measure your "concern"). Just don't be upset because there is no reciprocal interest.

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Ahmadinejad isn't a dictator, ya should know
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Him being declared the winner by a landslide mere hours after the polls OPENED (and 2 before they actually closed) is complete coincidence. And him sending his "police" to brutalize those who protested the sham election is also irrelevant. We should "accept the results of the election" (obama said that)

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No, just don't really give a damn what you think, you know your place in the world, deal with it. 99% of Americans don't even know the name of your leaders, why? Because it makes no difference in their lives.
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I won't even try to deny that :P Canada isn't relevant geopolitically-wise. We are simply too integrated into the defence structure of the U.S., and too economically dependant on you to steer away from whatever the U.S. might want. To be honest, I'd think Canada should join the U.S. as several new states, to ease the economical transfer, increase your oil reserve, integrate naval defense (air defense is already integrated), and specially, give you origignal U.S. American the demographic weight you will badly need when (I doubt it's gonna be "if") the mexican immigrants will flood on your side of the border to get jobs in the U.S. during the coming labor shortage.

Too many player haters. It might be envy, jealousy, misinformation - pick one. I'm not trying to come off as rude, that's not my intent, but someone needs to tell it to you straight and honest in plain language.
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Did I came across as a U.S. hater in my (recent) posts? I know I have a past of U.S. criticism, but studies of Stratfor analysis made me re-evaluate my views. Right now, however, it's the... irrational behavior that I see happening in your country, politically-wise, that worries me. Not the country itself.

Back to your question. Yes they did. Some in the world don't like the US, that's irrelevant, they still listen when the US speaks. Now the current administration wants a world consensus, we are witnessing what that gets us.
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U.S. foreign policy hasn't really changed in the past 8 months, contrary to what some Obamafan might want to believe. Russia actually is starting to be more open to sanctions on Iran, and France has been backing you up incredibly in the matter too. There has been progresses happening on the matter. These progresses might have happened earlier, if everybody wasn't believing Bush to be a sitting duck in the White House (but then again, this sentence is a wild guess).

The world is full of followers, if this administration wants to continue in this direction, someone else will fill the gap (don't worry I believe Canada is safe).
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To quote George Friedman: "The U.S. has a huge error margin when it comes to its foreign policy. It can afford to be wrong much more than any other country in the world". But then again, I also suscribe to his opinion that the U.S. will always end up doing the proper thing for it's own safety in the end. Which is why I have so much trust about you beating the Russians in the small cold-war that is erupting.

So I can't stop you from losing sleep because you like/don't like the US government (we can count up all your posts on US political issues to measure your "concern"). Just don't be upset because there is no reciprocal interest
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I was merely voicing the fact that not many countries were ready to follow the U.S. in many ventures since 2003. Even the Iraqi attack wasn't really a show of your world leadership. I don't see how you are any less a leader now in the eyes of your allies/ennemies than in the past 6 years. If you want to make the argument that your sheer military/economical strenght was ennough to garantee you a "leader" position, fine. I just don't see how your military's apparatus was reduced by Obama, nor how Obama might be held responsible for the economical nightmare we all are in.

Him being declared the winner by a landslide mere hours after the polls OPENED (and 2 before they actually closed) is complete coincidence. And him sending his "police" to brutalize those who protested the sham election is also irrelevant. We should "accept the results of the election" (obama said that)
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Khameni is the Dictator. Ahmadinejad is a puppet with very weird strings.

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I feel compelled to leave to quotes for y'all to think about, they are:

"The price of greatness is responsibility." ~W. Churchill

"The leaders who work most effectively, it seems to me, never say "I." And that's not because they have trained themselves not to say "I." They don't think "I." They think "we"; they think "team." They understand their job to be to make the team function. They accept responsibility and don't sidestep it, but "we" gets the credit. This is what creates trust, what enables you to get the task done." ~ P. Drucker

It's my opinion that our nation has, over the last few years, acquired a sense of arrogance- or at least our gov't has. We seem to think we're given a divine right to lead, but I disagree. We've earned that privilige through hard work, determination, co-operation, and so on. Lest we want other people and countries to know us negatively (rational people) we need to remember that we're not the only nation out there, and an ounce of humility would be nice.

Btw, I say this because I love my country, so any cries of being anti-american and so on - you can just stuff 'em.


Night, ~AJ

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Khameni is the Dictator. Ahmadinejad is a puppet with very weird strings.
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Ok, i'll take that answer... I thought you were suggesting that Iran was a free democracy or some such.

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We are simply too integrated into the defence structure of the U.S., and too economically dependant on you to steer away from whatever the U.S. might want. To be honest, I'd think Canada should join the U.S. as several new states, to ease the economical transfer, increase your oil reserve, integrate naval defense (air defense is already integrated), and specially, give you origignal U.S. American the demographic weight you will badly need when (I doubt it's gonna be "if") the mexican immigrants will flood on your side of the border to get jobs in the U.S. during the coming labor shortage.
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I think a US/Canada merger would be a bad idea... too much Commonwealth instilled there, not to mention French nationalism. The population of Canada is about the size of the US black population (about 13%) so it wouldn't make a big impact in the long run. Both the black and white US birthrate is near neutral, while the hispanic population is breeding like rabbits. That's just the nature of things.

As far as jobs, I'm not so sure. As the illegal voting block (amazing isn't it?) pushes for amnesty, supported by our Democrat party, I have no doubt they will eventually succeed. Then these "poor' migrants will not be satisfied with low and in some cases below minimum wage jobs. Commercial orchards will be plowed under, and only crops that can be harvested mechanically will be grown on a large scale. Finally when the US is made into Mexico II, people here will need to go somewhere for work, Canada will be as good as any. Right now though there is no shortage of jobs.

Did I came across as a U.S. hater in my (recent) posts? I know I have a past of U.S. criticism, but studies of Stratfor analysis made me re-evaluate my views.
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No, I was generalizing on a world view as a whole. I try to address points by personalizing them. In this reply I was back and forth. But as far as hating the US, you can a little. Most liberals abroad (and some domestic) hate the US to some extent, at least a little bit. Some more. I've come to expect this. It comes from their desire to "manage" the US, a natural liberal fantasy IMO. I've made my peace with that and it doesn't bother me. 

U.S. foreign policy hasn't really changed in the past 8 months, contrary to what some Obamafan might want to believe. Russia actually is starting to be more open to sanctions on Iran, and France has been backing you up incredibly in the matter too. There has been progresses happening on the matter.
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Really? IMO US foreign policy has changed like night and day, my friend. Russia is talking out the side of their neck, but remain aloof with their "support". I don't trust them. Iran is a big buyer of their products, so they would be giving up more. France, now has a conservative president. The former socialist leaders of France use to disagree with the US as a matter of policy, going back over 25 years, long before Bush or his dad held office. IMO France has now taken the leadership position on Iran. Obama is perceived by Iran (and most nations that matter in this arena) as a weakling. You see progress, I see Obama getting schooled by Iran. Now my lack of support for Obama is not hard to see, but I don't want him to fail in Iran, it's too important for the world. Unfortunately I believe he is failing there.

not many countries were ready to follow the U.S. in many ventures since 2003. Even the Iraqi attack wasn't really a show of your world leadership. I don't see how you are any less a leader now in the eyes of your allies/ennemies than in the past 6 years.
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Funny how the media played down the significance of those that did go. They were known as the "coalition of the willing". Anyway, the UN had the resolutions in place that Iraq broke and caused the US and coalition forces to take action. The real shame is on those that did not support the decision of the "world body" (what does that say about the UN?). And people wonder why rouge countries do what they do. It's because most of the world talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk. But, don't worry the US has entered a new era of meekness.

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It's my opinion that our nation has, over the last few years, acquired a sense of arrogance- or at least our gov't has. We seem to think we're given a divine right to lead, but I disagree.
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Wrong we lead because others refuse or are incapable to lead, plain and simple.

Lest we want other people and countries to know us negatively (rational people) we need to remember that we're not the only nation out there, and an ounce of humility would be nice.
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People will think what they want to think. As long as the US is strong somebody will resent that, no matter what we do. So why get your panties in a twist worrying about it? I don't care (althought I find it interesting) what anyone outside the US thinks about us, that's fine if they like us or don't. The US's generosity did not decrease during the Bush years, it increased, yet many of  those with their hand out will still spit in your face, that's the way it is. Be humble all you want, but do it in private, because nobody respects a weakling. We are seeing that now.

Have you seen that touching commercial with the girl with downs syndrome being nominated prom queen? Sure everyone feels great (about themselves) that they voted for the "poor" girl, but you can bet she isn't getting laid that night, and she is only being set up for future disappointment. Kind of cruel if you ask me. Same thing is happening with the Obamapology tour. Everyone (outside the US) is clapping and cheering (not because the US is somehow better now, but because finally a US president is confirming what they suspected was true. They are clapping because they are right) but now that the crowds are gone, this loser (Obama) "can't even get a ride home from the prom". They don't like America more, just the opposite, their views have been validated.

Show me one great nation in the history of the world that has apologized to the world for it's actions? Show me a nation that humbled itself (of its own accord) before the world? Obama's actions are unprecedented in history and not in the best interest of the country.

AJ I wouldn't dream of accusing you of being anti-American, I don't think that is the case at all. But I would say you're being a little naive about world perception. Remember arrogance can also be believing the world is laughing with you and not at you. Worry less about how people perceive us and worry more about how we perceive us. The answers are here, not outside as nobody besides other Americans has our best interest at heart. I'd give the same advice to the rest of the world.

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Show me one great nation in the history of the world that has apologized to the world for it's actions? Show me a nation that humbled itself (of its own accord) before the world? Obama's actions are unprecedented in history and not in the best interest of the country.
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You realize that most great nations of history have nearly always collapsed, right? Egypt - collapsed. Rome - collapsed. Greece - collapsed. The list goes on and on. Anyways, I digress; the reasons for their collapse are complex and something I won't go into right now.

How are they not? You seem to think that he is trying to make us bend over and take it up the rear. I see nothing wrong with saying, "Hey, listen...I know what the previous administration did, and that it ticked you off. However, we're not going to do things that same way. We're going to listen and work with everyone. We're still going to pursue our interests, but we're going to take everyone - every nation - into account."

It's like a football team...everyone is going for the same thing, but there is no one person working toward that goal.

AJ I wouldn't dream of accusing you of being anti-American, I don't think that is the case at all. But I would say you're being a little naive about world perception. Remember arrogance can also be believing the world is laughing with you and not at you. Worry less about how people perceive us and worry more about how we perceive us. The answers are here, not outside as nobody besides other Americans has our best interest at heart. I'd give the same advice to the rest of the world.
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Unfortunately, it has been a common thing (in general) among some people here, so I figured I would be proactive and (hopefully) stop it before it started.

On the contrary, I have no misunderstanding that some people just do not like us; I realize some people hate our guts. My point still stands though - why give them more to prove their anti-US rhetoric? Yes, we do a lot of good out there, but we also, sometimes, act like a child. We do shit over and over again that ticks even the friendlier countries. Why give them the ammo to fight their anti-us war?

Prudence goes a long way; speak softly and work with the natioins, but yes - carry that big stick. There are times when -- not violence or aggression per se -- but when justice is needed to be carried out. I would hope that in that case, we would wish to do it as a group of nations, and not think we have some duty to do it ourselves. Such thinking can also serve a practical means in that other countries would contribute to the costs of certain...expeditions.

People will think what they want to think. As long as the US is strong somebody will resent that, no matter what we do. So why get your panties in a twist worrying about it? I don't care (althought I find it interesting) what anyone outside the US thinks about us, that's fine if they like us or don't. The US's generosity did not decrease during the Bush years, it increased, yet many of those with their hand out will still spit in your face, that's the way it is. Be humble all you want, but do it in private, because nobody respects a weakling. We are seeing that now.
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My belief comes from the concept: Speak softly and carry a big stick. I don't have any issue with justified use of force (in defense), but I do have issues with our government seeming to think we can stick our nose into whatever we want. If we want to get shit done, then we need to stop pissing people off as much as we can. You don't beat/tease the dogs and then jump into the middle of the dog pound. Shit like us meddling with other people's problems, when we have no right to...it's just stupid. It serves no good use.

Being humble does not mean you are weak; in fact, showing some humility every now and then is a great thing. It shows you're not an arrogant jack ass, know-it-all, aggressive shit starter, etc. (Usually, not always though)

 

 

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How are they not? You seem to think that he is trying to make us bend over and take it up the rear
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No he's bending us over to make himself look good abroad. It's all about Obama's ego, a monster that must be feed with admiration. He is allergic to criticism.

You realize that most great nations of history have nearly always collapsed, right?
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Tell me which ones had their leaders apologize to their neighbors for the previous leaders policies? Hey, you've been in school a lot more recently than I, what are they teaching these days?

Hey, listen...I know what the previous administration did, and that it ticked you off. However, we're not going to do things that same way. We're going to listen and work with everyone.
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That would be great if that is really what he said, but it isn't. Obama said the Bush administration was wrong and that he didn't like its policies. No sitting president has ever gone abroad and bad mouthed a previous administration. Obama does this almost every time he is abroad. We know he doesn't like Bush, he needs to keep it here. He seems to be campaigning every time he speaks. People are noticing.

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Tell me which ones had their leaders apologize to their neighbors for the previous leaders policies? Hey, you've been in school a lot more recently than I, what are they teaching these days?
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Can't think of any at the moment, but I'll give it a thought some more later. Then again most of those great nations where led by egomaniacs who loved the attention and were extremely arrogant, among other things. Not really a good formula. They felt they could push other countries around for whateve reason they wished - exerting their "leadership," and such.

 (Only been ~5 years since I graduated btw, lol)

Oh, and just your typical evil liberal education: Reading, writing, mathematics, science, history, physical education, health, and so on so forth. You know, what they need to teach to recruit people.  ;~P

That would be great if that is really what he said, but it isn't. Obama said the Bush administration was wrong and that he didn't like its policies. No sitting president has ever gone abroad and bad mouthed a previous administration. Obama does this almost every time he is abroad. We know he doesn't like Bush, he needs to keep it here. He seems to be campaigning every time he speaks. People are noticing.
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Well given that more than a few countries did not particularly care for what was done, and felt like we lost our way from the America they remember (the strong one mind you)...yeah, anyways - moving on.  

Call me whatever you wish, but to me...apologizing for what the previous representative of the country (which is what the president is) did that ticked of countries, is a smart thing. That way, the other countries will actually work with you and well, you can do things that benefit your country. 

Yeah, some coutnries will hate us - big deal. There are those countries who still will work with them, but do you really think it's wise, not to say smart, to continue acting the way we have been - which has been pissing them off?

Gee, concept.

 

No he's bending us over to make himself look good abroad. It's all about Obama's ego, a monster that must be feed with admiration. He is allergic to criticism.
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Mmm, I disagree. To each their own.

 

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Call me whatever you wish, but to me...apologizing for what the previous representative of the country (which is what the president is) did that ticked of countries, is a smart thing. That way, the other countries will actually work with you and well, you can do things that benefit your country.
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I have to disagree. It's ok to be humble, to show some humility; but we have to accept that as a powerful country, we have a powerful responsibility. As Nitro said, someone has to take the lead and we always seem to be the ones doing it. Should we allow a country like Iran or N Korea to have nukes like us just because we have them? If no one else is working to stop them should we just ignore it and deal with the problem after the bomb goes off?

The problem is not that we are arrogant, most of the leaders of every country are arrogant. The problem is they don't like it that it's us trying to do something about it because they think we are simply looking to expand our reach, our power to be bigger than everyone else. No one ever sees it as doing the right thing. It's kinda how Frogboy put it in his article about Good Will, everyone see's the action of the US, not as doing it out of Good Will, but that we want something in return.

As I said, we can be humble and have lots of humility, but from personal experience in this day in age being humble and having a lot of humility usually leads to one thing, taking advantage. Why? Because regardless of how much any says we are allies or friends, they will always put their country first and everyone always wants to be on top. He who is on top is always seen as a target by those at the bottom. Humbleness and humility is always seen as a weakness even if we don't see it that way. When it comes to survival, it's not about what you think, it's about what others think about you. You may think a lion will not attack you because of the guns you carry and you shoot everytime one gets close but try to make friends with a lion and you risk the lion taking your show of freindship as a sign of weakness and a chance to get passed your guns and take you for what you really are to it, food.

We live in a world where borders define the difference between each person on this planet. Regardless if we all bleed red blood, breath air, eat food, crap or pee; most people see people from outside of their country as anything other than of the same race. Humanity. As long as that ignorance continues, these problems will always exist and no matter who sits atop they will always be someone esles target.

Reply #25 Top

I  only have time to address a single point, but it's one that I think is significant. I'll get to the rest of your reply once I have a longer break between classes today Charles.

The problem is they don't like it that it's us trying to do something about it because they think we are simply looking to expand our reach, our power to be bigger than everyone else. No one ever sees it as doing the right thing.
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Which is exactly my point -- that is what they think. Perception is - pardon my language - a bitch; ninety-nine percent of everything in life is processed (and so on so forth) based on our perception of it. Hence my caution and urging of prudence in foreign matters. We haven't exactly justified or explained thoroughly our ("apparently") noble reasons for doing what some claim to be the right thing (What *is* the right thing? That's a whole other discussion).

Our leaders and their acolytes may claim that they are doing things for a noble and grand reason, but there are those internationally and domestically  that just don't see it that way, for whatever reason.

 

~AJ