Why exactly do you feel that you need a campaign when you could play random maps, custom maps, or better yet, advance to playing real human opponents in online multiplayer?

After reading the deluge of campaign requests, I've more or less concluded that the game could use a campaign, but I find it very disheartening that so many people have no interest in exploring online multiplayer.

I'm a big multiplayer gamer. I played Medieval Total War online for years, Homeworld 2, C&C Red Alert 2, Half Life and now I have BF2142 and this game to try out. But I like a good single-player campaign with a bit of a story.

The fact of the matter is that the opening intro and the box and the previews all set up this huge war. Well I want to fight that war. I want to be the TEC as the Vasari invade, and then have of fight off the Advent when they perform their dastardly deeds on my undefended planets.

I want to be the Vasari, with an uberfleet who have to run from an unknown enemy and who come across this large near-defenseless empire and I want to conquer it.

I want to be te Advent, who were exiled from their homeworld and I want to seek revenge upon the people who did it.

But the fact of the matter is that this doesn't happen. Instead, I have three essentially equal factions who start of on one planet each and then expand until contact. The factions are equal. I don't get to be the TEC desperately throwing large numbers of converted cargo ships at the Vasari in order to save my home. I don't get to be the Vasari, who have to fight battle after battle against the numerically-superior TEC with small numbers of highly advanced warships as I advance deeper and deeper into their territory. I don't get to seek revenge against the TEC as the Advent.

The single player mode we have in this game is essentially merely a multiplayer with bots, and I feel, to a degree, that Stardock falsely advertised the game. It's not really a 4X game. One does not get to levy taxes, or control his empire to the same standards of the Total War games (which are grand strategy for beginners), never mind any of the more grand strategy games out there like Hearts of Iron, Europa Universalis or Galactic Civilizations. It's just basically Homeworld 2 with less tactical management, where the motherships and carriers have been replaced with planets and where numbers are of great importance.

Now don't get me wrong, I like this game, but I sense I will fall out of love with it sooner than I had hoped.

The back of my game box says "4X REAL-TIME STRATEGY". If that's not advertising the game as 4X, then I don't know what is.

Although I think a campaign would be fun, I'm not desperate for one. Yhe multiplayer is just as good, if not better (except for the starting positions).

At this point, I'm betting if they make a campaign, it will be wit an expansion pack, not a patch. So stop your fussing and just play the the game!

And yeah, they did say it was RT4x, not 4x.

I would love a campaign in the game, campaigns always add in some backround and are a good starting for new players.

Also I want to know who's chasing the Vasari!


BTW, Ironclad already said they are making an expansion with a campaign so stop making these threads!

I did that with C&C back in 1995...

I personaly hate the 4x tag, it's meaningless to me.


RTT - Real Time Tactics: C&C, TA - the only logistics and planning (thats stratergy) in C&C is makeing sure you have enough resoruces and deciding what to build (MAMMOTH TANKS!)

RTS - Real Time Stratergy (also RT4X or 4XRTS): Sins, Fragile Alliegance (not quite SupCom but it's has some good planning/logistics elements). This type of game simply can't be that deep in the stratergy aspect because of its real-time tactical-command-driven nature.

Grand Stratergy: Total war (entery level) to civ. This is usualy what people mean by 4X. Usualy this is simply about managing the numbers (rather than tactical control also).

As such Sins fits perfectly into the middile option and not the other two.