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Intolerance of Conscience?

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Intolerance of Conscience?

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     Go to a public high school and you will find curiculum made to teach "tolerance". In reality, what I find most taught "tolerance" to be is a pile of drudged up drek made to desensitize or demonize those long-standing establishments of moral standards. Tolerance cannot be taught. Children will not learn tolerance by these means, merely the intolerance of conscience.

     My question is this: Why is it so wrong to have a conscience? I believe that homosexuals are wrong. I do not hate homosexuals no more than I hate those who I'd disagree with on matters of politics or science. I believe that God exists. I do not hate those who say that God does not exist, I merely disagree with them. This comes with no "tolerance" training that I accepted, other than what I heard at church. Is it so much that we secularize the nation, but also blame the preachers of tolerance as the distributors of slander? I have never heard a pastor preach any form of anger or intolerance (other than, of course, the righteous anger towards those who attack innocents or undermine the church), so why should children be tought "tolerance"? Children are perfect innocence, and intolerance is only instilled on them by outside factors. Therefore, should we not eliminate the creators of intolerance before breaking down logic and reason via "tolerance" training?

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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top

Truth is absolute.
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Not when it comes to religion, it's not.  It's subjective.  My truth is that there is no god and that you're living your life based on a book of fairy tales.  You truth is that there is indeed a god and that I'm going to hell.  Both of us believe ourselves to be true.

Are you sure you're not Lucas Bailey in disguise?

Reply #52 from Stardock Forums Top

Not when it comes to religion, it's not. It's subjective. My truth is that there is no god and that you're living your life based on a book of fairy tales. You truth is that there is indeed a god and that I'm going to hell. Both of us believe ourselves to be true.
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Then you are wrong.

Wherever do you get any contradictions in nature? It makes logical sense there would be no such contradictions in the supernatural realm.

Ashes of the Singularity II
Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
Truth is absolute.
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Not when it comes to religion, it's not. It's subjective. My truth is that there is no god and that you're living your life based on a book of fairy tales. You truth is that there is indeed a god and that I'm going to hell.
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Dharmagrl,

There is no such thing as my truth---your truth...as there is only one truth in religion and in everything else when you think about it.

Truth is neither yours nor mine...it's independent of either of us. We hold things becasue they are true. They are not true because we happen to believe them. Truth is in possession. It's also consistent.

If you have the truth on a given subject and my ideas conflict with yours, then I don't possess the truth. And if I'm right, you haven't go the truth.

If you want to go to the mall by bus, but got on the wrong bus, would you ignore the busdriver's advice, and say, "my truth....your truth" argument? Of course not. Same is true in religion.

One of us has possession of the truth regarding if there is a God or not.

Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
Not when it comes to religion, it's not. It's subjective. My truth is that there is no god and that you're living your life based on a book of fairy tales. You truth is that there is indeed a god and that I'm going to hell. Both of us believe ourselves to be true.
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Exactly. Facts are black and white. The interpretation of the facts are not. God created the world is an interpretation. So is Random chance.

That the world was created is a fact. How it was is interpretation and as Dharma says, my truth is not always the same as yours.

There is no such thing as my truth---your truth...as there is only one truth in religion and in everything else when you think about it.
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You forgot "Per person". There is only one truth for an interpretation for each person. Absent absolute knowledge, there is no truth that is absolute for every person.
Reply #55 from Stardock Forums Top

You forgot "Per person". There is only one truth for an interpretation for each person. Absent absolute knowledge, there is no truth that is absolute for every person.
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Yes, but the universal thing is true, universally, truth is just a matter of perception then?

Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
universally, truth is just a matter of perception then?
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Bingo! As the saying goes "The truth is in the eye of the beholder".
Reply #57 from Stardock Forums Top

Bingo! As the saying goes "The truth is in the eye of the beholder".
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Yes, but then truth is not correct, making everyone's truth (save God's) meaningless.

Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
Everyone's 'truth' is meaningless.
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
You forgot "Per person". There is only one truth for an interpretation for each person. Absent absolute knowledge, there is no truth that is absolute for every person.
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There is no such thing as my truth---your truth...as there is only one truth in religion and in everything else when you think about it.
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You forgot "Per person". There is only one truth for an interpretation for each person.
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This is a description of relativism and can't be for it's putting truth under man's control. Truth must not be accomodated to our mental variations, rather our mental outlook must be accomodated to truth. We can't take what suits us and call that our personal truth and reject what does not.

Absent absolute knowledge, there is no truth that is absolute for every person.
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I don't know if it's absolute knowledge, but the human mind can attain a genuine truth.

For example, demonstrated natural truth is human knowledge....It's infallibly true that the earth is a globe.

Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, but then truth is not correct, making everyone's truth (save God's) meaningless.
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Thank God for the right to your own opinion, right? Unless you think you are a God and are perfect and so your words are supreme. I bet you've seen Bruce Almighty and wish you could have had such a chance to be God. Seeing as how your opinions are prone to thinking of yourself as perfect.
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yes, but then truth is not correct, making everyone's truth (save God's) meaningless.
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Thank God for the right to your own opinion, right?
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Wrong. How can there be a God-given right to our own opinion? God has given us His truth, His absolutes, not the "right" to have an opinion of His absolutes. God has given us ability to know natural and Divine Truth. That's what He wants us to seek.
Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top

Unless you think you are a God and are perfect and so your words are supreme. I bet you've seen Bruce Almighty and wish you could have had such a chance to be God. Seeing as how your opinions are prone to thinking of yourself as perfect.
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Charles, you are so deluded. If I thought my words were supreme, I wouldn't be exalting His. I've never seen Bruce Almighty, and I really don't wish I had a chance to be God. Since when have I said that I am perfect, you libellious slanderer?

Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
Wrong. How can there be a God-given right to our own opinion? God has given us His truth, His absolutes, not the "right" to have an opinion of His absolutes. God has given us ability to know natural and Divine Truth. That's what He wants us to seek.
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It's called free will Lula, the ability to think for ourselves. God wants us to to seek and take his word , that does not mean that will happen because, again he gave us free will. The right to your own opinion, just as you did in your reply above.
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top
Charles, you are so deluded. If I thought my words were supreme, I wouldn't be exalting His. I've never seen Bruce Almighty, and I really don't wish I had a chance to be God. Since when have I said that I am perfect, you libellious slanderer?
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What ever. Call me what you want, I'm not the one going around constantly posing my words as absolute. Your responses are those of people who think only they are right. Doesn't matter to me though, what you believe does not affect my life, we all have God's given right to believe what one wants. And we also have the right to disagree and dispute other peoples beliefs and opinions. If you don't like it, I suggest you avoid keeping your articles open to comments. Make them private to only a select few who agree with your words of "wisdom".

You and Lula can pretend to believe you are following God's words all you want, in the end you will still be a sinner till your time comes and only God can judge you and everyone else.
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
BTW, next time learn what a word means before you use it. I never called you perfect so I never made any false publications or statement of any kind.
Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's called free will Lula, the ability to think for ourselves. God wants us to to seek and take his word , that does not mean that will happen because, again he gave us free will. The right to your own opinion, just as you did in your reply above.
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Okay....so you equate God's gift of free will as a "right" to our own opinion. I'd say they are two different things. Free will is the capability of self-determination; it implies choice between motives. We have a God-given right to truth, but not a right to our own opinion of it.....that's relativism.

Reply #67 from Stardock Forums Top

What ever. Call me what you want, I'm not the one going around constantly posing my words as absolute.
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They ain't my words, they're the words I agree with.

You and Lula can pretend to believe you are following God's words all you want, in the end you will still be a sinner till your time comes and only God can judge you and everyone else.
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Excuse me, you obviously haven't brushed up on theological doctrine quite as much as you're trying to say you have. The only way we can't sin is with God, so therefore until He makes us perfect again, we'll continue. He may help us here, though.

BTW, next time learn what a word means before you use it. I never called you perfect so I never made any false publications or statement of any kind.

Seeing as how your opinions are prone to thinking of yourself as perfect.

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What are you saying? Are you *gasp* contradicting yourself? You've never called me perfect, but you've put words into my own opinion. I may be an inflated egotist, but I still do not believe I am even ranking on the upper half of the way to perfect.

Your responses are those of people who think only they are right. Doesn't matter to me though, what you believe does not affect my life, we all have God's given right to believe what one wants.
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Your gun is firing backwards. (Do the math, and you will find that I'm saying that it applies to you.)

And we also have the right to disagree and dispute other peoples beliefs and opinions. If you don't like it, I suggest you avoid keeping your articles open to comments. Make them private to only a select few who agree with your words of "wisdom".
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So, wait, are you saying that I can disagree, but you are then telling me to close down my articles to comments, and make them available only to my fellow educated theologians? But then I wouldn't have you to bring so much humor into my day. (Yes, I've gotten fed up by now.)

Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
So here we are, talking about relative truth... I believe that this site is owned by me. I know it, it's the truth. Except that a lot of people seem to think it's owned by Draginol. But I know it's mine. You can all have your opinions, and I can have mine, and we'll all just respect each other's opinions.

That's all well in good, except for the truth, which is that Draginol does own the site, and I do not - no matter what I believe, it's still not the truth that anyone but Draginol does own the site.

Just the same, you can believe all you want that God didn't create the earth, that He doesn't exist, but it doesn't matter - He still DOES exist, whether you believe in Him or not. Or He doesn't, whether I believe in Him or not. There's a truth there, one of us just doesn't have the discernment to see it.