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The differences between Mormonism and Christianity

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The differences between Mormonism and Christianity

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    Mormonism and Christianity vary in many ways. It would not be too big a leap to say they're different religions.

  1. Mormonism teaches that God achieved godhood by living a perfect life. Christianity (and Judaism) preaches that God is an infinite being, and always has been. "As Psalms 90:2 and 93:2 state, God has been God 'from eternity to eternity.'"
  2. Mormonism teaches that God is made of flesh and bones. Christianity (and Judaism) preach that God is an infinite, formless (in that he can take any shape or form, and needs not physically exist) being.
  3. Mormonism teaches there are many gods "There are many Gods. Brigham Young-Journal of Discourses 7:333 "How many Gods there are, I do not know.  But there never was a time when there were not Gods." This is directly in contradiction to Judaism and Christianity's teachings that there is only one God, who is, and was, and always will be. "There is only one God.  (Dt 6:4; 33:26-27; Isa 43:10; 45:5; 46:9; 1Ti 2:5)"
  4. Mormonism teaches that God takes a wife. "'Implicit in the Christian verity that all men are the spirit children of an Eternal Father is the usually unspoken truth that they are also the offspring of an Eternal Mother.  An exalted and glorified Man of Holiness (Moses 6:57) could not be a Father unless a Woman of like glory, perfection, and holiness was associated with him as a Mother' (Mormon Doctrine, 1977 ed., p. 516)" This is never mentioned in the scripture. "The Godhead determined to make man in their image, not to procreate spirit children (Ge 1:26).  Nowhere does Scripture even hint at the existence of an Eternal Mother."
  5. Mormonism believes the following: "God would stop being God if intelligences stopped supporting him as God.", where as Christianity teaches that God is infinite. "God is not God unless He is all-powerful, all knowing, absolutely in charge.  If God exists only as God because of support given from other intelligent forms, He is not God at all (Isa 44:6; Ro 3:4; Rev 1:8; 21:6; 22:13) God is unchangingly omnipotent, and no purpose of His can be thwarted.  He is not overruled by anyone (Ge 17:1; Job 36:22-23; 42:2; Isa 14:26-27; 40:13-14; Jer 32:27; Mt 19:26; Lk 1:37; Ac 17:24-25; Rev 19:6)".
  6. Mormonism believes that "Man was also in the beginning with God.  Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be"  (D&C 93:29)" I don't need a reference (Try the first page of Genesis) to disprove this.

 

There you go. Big font. Follow the Article Link for more. Yes, I did take most everything from there, but as a fellow brother in Christ, with attribution to them, I believe that it is a good, rather than a wrong to spread infomation to save the lost sheep in the world.
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Reply #76 from JoeUser Forums Top
if you really want to confuse yourself...read Isaac Watts (or Plato) someday. He said first you have to prove you exist before you can prove Christ exist and work backwards. Can you do that?

In order to prove that Christ even existed...first prove that you exist.

Ted.....do you really exist? Is it because somebody told you this? How do I know you're just not a figmant of my and everyone's imagination?

Why is green green? Is it because it is....or is it because someone told you it is?
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How about we keep confusion out of it as best as we can?
Reply #77 from Stardock Forums Top

Using physical evidence, Prove the divinity of Jesus Christ.
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The physical evidence is Jesus Christ Himself. Christ said on many occasions that He is God. It is impossible to present better proof than Christ Himself. There are many passages, but I cite only two. "I and the Father are one." St.John 10:30  "I am in the Father and the Father is in Me." 14:10 .

Being Infinite and Omnipotent, God is unlimited in power and can do anything He wills to do. Our history is physical evidence that records the promise that God Himself would come and redeem mankind.  God became man in the person of Jesus Christ.

It's an indisputable historical fact that Jesus Christ existed and that He came in the time, place and manner foretold for centuries before His birth in Bethlehem.

Christ proved by His life, teachings and miracles that He is the One True God.

Another piece of physical evidence is the Holy Bible. I'm looking at my Douay Rheims Bible...which 2Tim. 3:16 tells me all Scripture is inspired by God...

A careful study of the fourth Gospel shows that it was written by an eyewitness St.John, son of Zebedee, who had personally known Christ. The Gospel of St.John is a history detailing Christ's words and deeds which prove His divinity.  When Christ said He is the LOrd of the Sabbath, the Jews attempt to stone Him saying He's making Himself equal to God. He said "before Abaham was made, I AM. The idea of God as the external, Self Existent Being, the I AM WHO AM was familiar to the Jews.  They called Christ a blasphemer becasue He made Himself God.  

 

 

 

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Reply #78 from JoeUser Forums Top
.....do you really exist? Is it because somebody told you this? How do I know you're just not a figmant of my and everyone's imagination?
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That's a very interesting point. One only exists definitely to themselves. The outside world may be nothing more than an illusion of perception.

However, the general understanding of reality is the common shared perceptions of the masses. Then there are theories where things will cease to exist if no one perceives them. It's all a good round of philosophy. :)

Anywho, to prove someone exists in the traditional sense is finding physical evidence with your 5 senses...touch, smell, sight, hearing, and even taste. :) If I can do one of the 5 to Ted(hopefully taste won't be necessary), then he most probably exists unless I have a disorder.

Why is green green?
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Green is green because of the wavelength of the light energy bouncing off of the object or coming from a source. :) These wavelengths stimulate certain cones in our eyes and we see a particular color. For the colorblind or blind then color does not exist or exists differently than the 'norm.'

Now, why do we call green 'green?' Well, that's just language...doesn't really matter. As Shakespeare wrote:

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."

:D

~Zoo
Reply #79 from JoeUser Forums Top
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As Shakespeare wrote:

"What's in a name?
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Who?

William Shakespeare.
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Are you going to listen to me, or listen to your friend?

-Rodney Dangerfield
Reply #80 from Stardock Forums Top

A name is simply a title for all those people whose streams of consciousness don't handle listing eight adjectives in place of a noun.

Reply #81 from JoeUser Forums Top
A name is simply a title for all those people whose streams of consciousness don't handle listing eight adjectives in place of a noun.
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you know, that bald, funny looking guy from accounting? Dark hair, glasses, beard combover?

Oh yeah, Mr. Johnson.

No, the bald...

etc.
Reply #82 from JoeUser Forums Top
KFC: That's why I didn't say, "prove Jesus existed". If I can't prove I exist, I can't prove someone else did. There is physical evidence that Jesus lived... but whether or not he was Diety was never meant for physical proof.

For you and I (and Christians in general), the empty tomb is proof, but only because we accept the Biblical account in the first place. The Muslims have the "Book of Jesus" which has an account of Jesus telling God something like, "You know I never said I was God". They also have a different account of the disposition of Jesus' body.

Also, the Bible is the only account of Jesus' body being put in that tomb in the first place, so his body not being there isn't "proof" of anything.

Lulapilgrim: Jesus himself is only proof that someone named Jesus lived at the time and taught the people. Different writings tell different stories about who Jesus was. Only one speaks of Him as diety. So yes, to us Christians, Jesus Himself is proof of his Divinity... but it's not even evidence to anyone else.

Thanks to both of you for accepting the challenge. While I argued against your answers, they were good ones.

My purpose with this was not to hijack the thread though. My purpose was to ask erathoniel to consider to take a second look at double standards when discussing things.

erahoniel... how about it?
Reply #83 from Stardock Forums Top

How about what? Double standards? What about them?

Reply #84 from JoeUser Forums Top
Christ said on many occasions that He is God.
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So, if I tell you that I'm God....is that proof that I am?

The point Ted was trying to make was not to prove you wrong about the divinity of Christ, but to show you that requiring proof of our religion is like an atheist requiring proof of Christ's divinity, or any of the things I asked Era to prove.

By the way...can I have some?

:D :D :D :D :D :D
Reply #85 from JoeUser Forums Top
So, if I tell you that I'm God....is that proof that I am?
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Well...obviously. :D

~Zoo
Reply #86 from JoeUser Forums Top
There is physical evidence that Jesus lived... but whether or not he was Diety was never meant for physical proof.
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ParaTed,

Yes, there is physical evidence that Christ lived...exactly as prophecied by many different people from centuries before the event.

And yes, Sacred Scripture is physical proof of His divinity...becasue it is the very Word of God. We have it on God's word that Christ is God.

So yes, to us Christians, Jesus Himself is proof of his Divinity... but it's not even evidence to anyone else.
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Ya, but we're working on it.  ;) 


Christ said on many occasions that He is God.
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CEDARBIRD POSTS:
So, if I tell you that I'm God....is that proof that I am?
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It only would if you were Christ...and that's the whole point.  :) 


Good discussion one and all.

Reply #87 from JoeUser Forums Top
erathoniel: I figured you would come back with something like that. That's why I'm not continuing here.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and beasy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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If we meet together in Christ's name the Spirit will be with us. But if we are contentious with one another, the Spirit won't remain. If the Spirit doesn't remain it becomes evil work.

erathoniel, you tell me I'm not really Christian, but where most of us who replied tried to stay avoid contention, you insisted on churning it up. When you purposefully churn up contention, are you inviting the Spirit, or chasing it away?

These two passages of scripture answer that question, for you, and for anyone who thinks that there is Godliness in a minstry based on contention.
Reply #88 from Stardock Forums Top

I am telling the word of Christ who saves us, so that not through our action, but through the works of God, He who gives and takes away, are we saved.

Reply #89 from JoeUser Forums Top
It only would if you were Christ...and that's the whole point.
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What if she honestly declared she was? Would you believe it?

~Zoo
Reply #90 from JoeUser Forums Top
What if she honestly declared she was? Would you believe it?
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And that guy that keeps damaging her is like the Roman guards... I think you might be onto something, Zoo.
Reply #91 from JoeUser Forums Top

He said first you have to prove you exist before you can prove Christ exist and work backwards. Can you do that?

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That one is easy.

I am, therefore I am.

Whatever it is that is thinking this thought is me. Hence _I_ exist.

 

Reply #92 from JoeUser Forums Top
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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If we meet together in Christ's name the Spirit will be with us.
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I agree that when we come together in Christ's name he will be glorified and his spirit that indwells each of us, as his followers, will be present.

But I have a bit of a problem with how this particular verse is quoted about. Recently I've heard this same verse misquoted a whole lot. Last week it was by a very new Christian who also serves as our worship leader. So I went up to him after church and brought this to his attention. He said after that it made more sense.

This verse is found in Matt 18 and in the context of church discipline. What he was saying is church discipline is necessary even tho it's very hard to do. Most churches today ignore issues that should be dealt with shying away from the discipline that needs to be done. So he's saying basically..."I know it's hard but when you do this in the manner I just prescribed, don't worry I'll be with you in the midst of this."

We know that Christ will be with us when there is only one of us as well. We don't need to have two or three present for him to be present with us. When he taught us to pray he said go into your closes (alone) and pray to the Father and he will hear you.

I am, therefore I am.
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doesn't that go...."I think, therefore I am?"

So, if I tell you that I'm God....is that proof that I am?
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It only would if you were Christ...
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We can all say we're god or a god I suppose but that wouldn't make us one. But if we could do what Jesus did to prove He was who He said He was (we can't) we might have some credibility.

Jesus proved his divinity by his miracles, by the mouths of the Prophets. The OT scriptures described him to a tee as far as his birth and activities were concerned. He met the heritage requirements and most of all.....who but God could raise someone from the dead? Not just dead, but stone cold dead.

Now...if I could fulfill all those qualifications, then maybe, just maybe, I could claim to be God.
Reply #93 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am, therefore I am.


doesn't that go...."I think, therefore I am?"
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Yes, this is more like it KFC.









Reply #94 from JoeUser Forums Top
But if we could do what Jesus did to prove He was who He said He was (we can't) we might have some credibility.
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Oh...so you do demand proof. Interesting...I thought it was faith based. :P


What if Jesus was just a good magician? People weren't exactly hard to fool back then by sleight of hand.

~Zoo
Reply #95 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh...so you do demand proof. Interesting...I thought it was faith based.
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This is what many don't understand. Our faith is based on evidence. It's not really about demanding tho. God gives us ample evidence to believe on him. He who has eyes to see. It's not a blind faith. A way to look at this is like having faith in someone who has already proven themselves to be faithful to you in the past. So why wouldn't you have faith in this person now in the present?

What if Jesus was just a good magician? People weren't exactly hard to fool back then by sleight of hand.
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That's why he went out of his way to do the things that couldn't be questioned. When he cured a blind man since birth or a lame man for decades they were well known to the townspeople. It's very clear he waited four days after Lazarus was dead to raise him out of his tomb. He waited on purpose.

It's not like today when these faith healers get up, speak some mumbo jumbo and then claim to cure one of cancer they didn't know they had or some ailment that couldn't be seen.

I always said.....if they are true faith healers why don't they just walk into hospitals and help grow back arms, legs, eyes and hands like Jesus did? That would give them instant credibility don't you think?







Reply #96 from JoeUser Forums Top
Revelation was closed when St.John, the last Apostle, died
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you're not suggesting john the apostle authored 'revelations'?
Reply #97 from JoeUser Forums Top
The physical evidence is Jesus Christ Himself.
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there is no physical evidence whatsoever of jesus' existence. despite 2000 years of searching, no tomb--empty or otherwise--has yet been located or determined (even by sectarian consensus, much less the relatively lax legal standards acceptable to judge judy's lamest counterpart} to be the one in which he was reportedly placed after crucifixion.

Reply #98 from Stardock Forums Top

Here's one difference. There is no evidence for Mormonism science cannot defeat. Yep, I can defeat it secularly.

Reply #99 from JoeUser Forums Top
Another piece of physical evidence is the Holy Bible
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your bible certainly exists. its contents are, by any legal standard, hearsay.
Reply #100 from JoeUser Forums Top
Here's one difference. There is no evidence for Mormonism science cannot defeat. Yep, I can defeat it secularly.
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ain't you somethin.  :NOTSURE: 


"...how canst thou say to thy brother: Brother, let me pull the mote out of thy eye, when thou thyself seest not the beam in thy own eye? Hypocrite, cast first the beam out of thy own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to take out the mote from thy brother's eye."