A Ray of Hope?

Thank you for sharing this. We do need to hear the other side as well.

It's an unusually optimistic post from me, I assure you.

Excellent post. I hope we see more of this.

(and I can't help but wonder why stories like this are perpetually overlooked by mainstream news organizations).

    Actually he showed me this at work and it is interesting that in the entire article about how muslims were against the recent atrocity in Russia they were able to produce exactly one quote from anyone in authority. Thats right one. Every other one barely could speak a negative verb about the act or call it terrorism. Hell CNN was so desperate to prove that Arabs were outraged that they never bothered to point out to you that the one guy who they said "didn't think it was Muslims" actually blamed the Jews! That article was one of the most skewed things I have ever read. Go back and read it carefully.

This was a good article - thanks for linking it.

The thing I find most depressing about this Chechnyan issue is that it is automatically linked to relgion, but religion really has nothing to do with it - it's about an autonomous republic that want's independance - no one is denying the acts were savage, but they were savage in return of harsh oppresion, it doesn't make it right, but I think religion needs to be distanced from this conflict quick smart, or certain individuals will be all too happy to play the all Muslims are pigs card.

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Again you jump to conclusions without a basis in fact Muggz. That attack sickened even some of the terrorists involved.
Any wagers on whose idea it was to attack the school?

Well, I had something written out, and I foolishly cut-without-pasting-ed it... So, let me sum up.

grey, I disagree that it was just one comment that condemned it. There is the obvious comment, sure, the one from the journalist, the editor of Al-Arabia. There's the slightly less direct comment from the other journalist, as well, the one about how the enemies of Islam could never portray them as horrible as they had just been. Is that not a condemnation?

I probably can't count Syria's comment, tho, huh?

Again you jump to conclusions without a basis in fact Muggz. That attack sickened even some of the terrorists involved. Any wagers on whose idea it was to attack the school?

What conclusions??

It was Chechnyan separatists who attacked the school... not Muslims...

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It was Chechnyan separatists who attacked the school... not Muslims...

Muggaz the seperatists in Chechnya are Islamists. It has everything to do with religion.

A little time with google would probably help you actually you know...deal with the facts?

Linkage : Here and here and here. Time spent to confirm this fairly well known point <30 seconds. Have a nice trolling rating for not even bothering to research.

I probably can't count Syria's comment, tho, huh?

 

Actually I got a good chuckle over how quickly Syria has changed it's tune now that we are perched on their border:)

Did the reporter say that all terrorists have been muslims?

Did the reporter say that all terrorists have been muslims?

No actually an Arab journalist/author/religious authority wrote a long piece entitled some thing like that though that the CNN article quoted from.

Muggaz the seperatists in Chechnya are Islamists. It has everything to do with religion. A little time with google would probably help you actually you know...deal with the facts? Linkage : Here and here and here. Time spent to confirm this fairly well known point <30 seconds. Have a nice trolling rating for not even bothering to research.

So, when Americans were fighting for independance, they were Christians first and foremost? or were the Americans?

Any excuse to attack Islam right Greywar...

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Muggaz - While you might think that grey has it out for Islam (and he does exhibit a certain amount of zeal for pointing out the rabid sects), he's not off base here. It's not that they are merely "freedom fighters" here. The government that they would establish is most probably and Islamic state. The reason they are fighting for their freedom is not oppression; there may exist said oppression, but I feel it is instead the establishment of the Islamic state I've already mentioned.
The establishment of an Islamic state has been a common theme in a lot of terrorist actions. I also believe that grey wrote an article on the "my Islamic state is more Islamic than your Islamic state" phenomenon, as well...

Suspeckted - Did the reporter say that all terrorists have been muslims?

As despicible as "link and discuss" articles are (saying this knowing it's my article here), don't you think you should read the "link" before you "discuss"?

Here's an excerpt for you, though:

" [A] prominent Arab journalist wrote that Muslims must acknowledge the painful fact that Muslims are the main perpetrators of terrorism.

"Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture," Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of Al-Arabiya television, wrote in his daily column published in the Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper. It ran under the headline, "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"

Al-Rashed ran through a list of recent attacks by Islamic extremist groups -- in Russia, Iraq, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen -- many of which are influenced by the ideology of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born leader of the al Qaeda terror network.

"Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims," he wrote. Muslims will be unable to cleanse their image unless "we admit the scandalous facts," rather than offer condemnations or justifications. "

So - because they are fighting for an Islamic state - that doesn't give them the right to fight for independance? I am still not following you - if they want an Islamic state, good for them... I would argue it's independance before Islamic state every time - it's a mere coincidence in this situation.

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The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"

Forgive me, I did read the article, but I wasn't sure if that was really supposed to be the claim or if I had missed something. This is also a horribly false statement. Until Sept. 11th a great number of terrorist acts inflicted upon the US were perpetrated by Americans. From this perspective perhaps the US military should take responsibility for all of those who have used their US military training to commit horrific crimes. I'm not suggesting this, but I think an awful lot of people forget that Americans kill more Americans than foreign terrorists ever could.

Muggaz - I would argue that the want for independence was brought about by the want for an Islamic state... because the infidel can't be trusted with ruling the devout.

The establishment of Sha'ria is something that was narrowly avoided in Iraq, and something that would have easily been utilized by the ruling party to oppress the other segments of the population. I realize that the counter-argument here would be that any system of law would allow for oppression, but I believe that because it would be religious law, many would either not bat an eye, or defend the actions.

Suspekted - "A great number of terrorist acts inflicted upon the US were perpetrated by Americans" does not disprove Sayed al-Rashed's claim. Additionally, "Americans kill more Americans than foreign terrorists ever could" only tangentially touches upon the question of "domestic" terrorism, as I have to assume you're lumping common crime into that equation.
Forgive me for assuming you hadn't read the article, however. It was difficult for me to tell without more context.

No, it does disprove his claim if he's claiming that The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!

Muggaz - I would argue that the want for independence was brought about by the want for an Islamic state... because the infidel can't be trusted with ruling the devout

Ah yes - I concur - I do beleive this conflict can be looked out without bringing religious dispositions into it though. Thats just me, and anyone is welcome to an opinoin just like I am.

I must thank you for discussing this reasonably with me.

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I do beleive this conflict can be looked out without bringing religious dispositions into it though.

That is because you seem to know just about nothing concerning it. A trademark of leftist punditry! Congrats:) A lovely denial of the facts as well. Hell make it a lefty two-fer!

Any excuse to attack Islam right Greywar...

Let me know when the Lutherans or the Buddhists slaughter over 300 kids in this day and age Muggaz. Just post some fucking research to back up anything you have posited in this.

Suspekted - Yet, he's not claiming that, merely using that title to draw in readers. Hyperbole for the sake of sensationalism, for the sake of newspaper sales. If you wish to say that his actual message is obfuscated by his overstated title, fine, I can concede that point easily. His underlying message is not necessarily as sweeping as the title makes it seem.

That is because you seem to know just about nothing concerning it. A trademark of leftist punditry! Congrats:) A lovely denial of the facts as well. Hell make it a lefty two-fer!

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What is there to know? Chechens dont like the Russians, have been living under brutal rule for many years, and want independance... I am not denying any facts, but you resorting to trademark leftist punditry comments reeks of an inability to see more sides to the argument than yours... not something un-expected from a grunt in the millitary.

Let me know when the Lutherans or the Buddhists slaughter over 300 kids in this day and age Muggaz. Just post some fucking research to back up anything you have posited in this.

Chechen seperatists who happen to be Muslim are savages - I can tell you, if they happened to be Lutherans, that wouldn't even be brought up, they would just be savage Chechen seperatists, rather than Lutheran Chechen Seperatists.

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